Why is physical violence OK, but racism is not?

This is somewhat brought on by the recent destruction of Hulk Hogan's career, following the recent discovery of a clip where he used racist language against guys that were hanging around with his daughter (I believe?) a few years ago.

We seem to live in a world where physical violence is OK - Chris Brown beats Rhianna, there is little or no public outcry. Floyd Mayweather beats his partner. Totally fine. I'm sure there are loads of other cases that people can name.

Yet Hogan says the N-word and the world loses its sh*t. Same for Donald Trump. The guy has done countless shady as f*ck things and yet it's only when he is racist to Mexicans/Latinos in general that things backfire.

keeponhurling

awaits the arrival of the PC-brigade......

smash

Deleted User wrote: »

We seem to live in a world where physical violence is OK - Chris Brown beats Rhianna, there is little or no public outcry. Floyd Mayweather beats his partner. Totally fine. I'm sure there are loads of other cases that people can name.

But these cases weren't fine or ok. There's was uproar about them.

Liamario

Deleted User wrote: »

This is somewhat brought on by the recent destruction of Hulk Hogan's career, following the recent discovery of a clip where he used racist language against guys that were hanging around with his daughter (I believe?) a few years ago.

We seem to live in a world where physical violence is OK - Chris Brown beats Rhianna, there is little or no public outcry. Floyd Mayweather beats his partner. Totally fine. I'm sure there are loads of other cases that people can name.

Yet Hogan says the N-word and the world loses its sh*t. Same for Donald Trump. The guy has done countless shady as f*ck things and yet it's only when he is racist to Mexicans/Latinos in general that things backfire.

YOU seem to live in a world where physical violence is OK. Most of us don't. Physical violence is not ok, whether it's against a man or a woman. The US has a problem with racism, both in how it deals with it and with the racists themselves.

MagicMarker

Erm, physical violence isn't okay.

Chris Brown beating Rhianna got a hell of a lot more publicity as far as I remember.

brevity

I remember lots of outcry over the Chris Brown/Rihanna incident. I'm sure a number of places refused to host his concerts.

pmasterson95

This'll go well.

newport2

Deleted User wrote: »

This is somewhat brought on by the recent destruction of Hulk Hogan's career, following the recent discovery of a clip where he used racist language against guys that were hanging around with his daughter (I believe?) a few years ago.

We seem to live in a world where physical violence is OK - Chris Brown beats Rhianna, there is little or no public outcry. Floyd Mayweather beats his partner. Totally fine. I'm sure there are loads of other cases that people can name.

Yet Hogan says the N-word and the world loses its sh*t. Same for Donald Trump. The guy has done countless shady as f*ck things and yet it's only when he is racist to Mexicans/Latinos in general that things backfire.

There was uproar about Chris Brown and countless articles on it.

Lux23

I don't know why you think physical violence is Ok, there is always controversy when someone is involved in violence.

Samaris

I am inclined to agree that the publicity about Brown was fairly thorough. Actually, I at least know more about that case (and certainly see more references to it) than Hogan's case.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Mayweather and Brown get shat on a hell of a lot to be fair about it.

kneemos

First I heard of the Hulk.

MagicMarker

MagicMarker wrote: »

Erm, physical violence isn't okay.

Chris Brown beating Rhianna got a hell of a lot more publicity as far as I remember.

Publicity didn't harm anything though. Even during that period he was selling a lot of music and selling gigs. It just feels like if he were white and went on a racist rant, all those gigs would be cancelled.

And I'm not saying physical violence is OK, but just confused as to how racism is worse and leads to stricter punishments.

super_furry

There was more than a slight outcry over Chris Brown. He was a self employed musician though so there wasn't exactly anyone to sack him.

gramar

If I had to choose I'd take being called a thick potato munching paddy over a kick in the goolies any day.

WoollyRedHat

kneemos wrote: »

First I heard of the Hulk.

Well don't make him angry.

smash

Deleted User wrote: »

Publicity didn't harm anything though. Even during that period he was selling a lot of music and selling gigs.

Lets face it though, Hogan is a has been so it's not going to damage his career.

kneemos

kneemos wrote: »

First I heard of the Hulk.

The WWE completely erased him from their brand.

Nodin

Deleted User wrote: »

This is somewhat brought on by the recent destruction of Hulk Hogan's career, following the recent discovery of a clip where he used racist language against guys that were hanging around with his daughter (I believe?) a few years ago. .

Also the tape refers to other wrestlers at some point. That's being blocked via a court case at the mo.

Deleted User wrote: »

We seem to live in a world where physical violence is OK - Chris Brown beats Rhianna, there is little or no public outcry. Floyd Mayweather beats his partner. Totally fine. I'm sure there are loads of other cases that people can name. .

....you were evidently off-world at the time.

smash

Just to add, the one time I can recall physical violence being brushed under the carpet is the incident with Jeremy Clarkeson. All the fans shouting for him to get his job back etc etc. Then again, he's also racist. I wonder if it would have been different if he'd hit his wife and not a man.

Not a NSA agent

Never heard about Hogan saying anything, heard plenty about Chris Brown though.

Where has anyone said physical violence is ok?

traprunner

Deleted User wrote: »

This is somewhat brought on by the recent destruction of Hulk Hogan's career, following the recent discovery of a clip where he used racist language against guys that were hanging around with his daughter (I believe?) a few years ago.

We seem to live in a world where physical violence is OK - Chris Brown beats Rhianna, there is little or no public outcry. Floyd Mayweather beats his partner. Totally fine. I'm sure there are loads of other cases that people can name.

Yet Hogan says the N-word and the world loses its sh*t. Same for Donald Trump. The guy has done countless shady as f*ck things and yet it's only when he is racist to Mexicans/Latinos in general that things backfire.

Do you believe that WWE is real too?

jjC123

The Chris Brown incident attracted huge public outcry. You can't really fire Chris Brown though,he's not strictly employed by an organisation. Some places refused to host his concerts though.

Hulk Hogan was fired the way any organisation would get rid of an employee for bringing that kind of bad publicity. Plus, he's pretty much finished career-wise anyway.

NachoBusiness

The only physical violence that I have seen society not being all that arsed about, was Solange Knowles's attack on Jay-Z (she became a bigger "celebrity" on the back of it if anything) and Kelly Brook's laughing on This Morning when she was tackled about punching two of her exes in the face.

Otherwise though, seems male on female violence gets the condemnation it rightfully deserves.

One eyed Jack

Nodin wrote: »

....you were evidently off-world at the time.

:pac:


I wouldn't have put it quite so bluntly, but yeah, this is pretty much it - different people care (or not) about different issues to different degrees and different standards.

I doubt the same young women that supported Chris Brown and demonised Rihanna even know who Hulk Hogan is ffs!

You really can't compare incomparable things like that as though it's the same group of people supporting one and condemning the other. You're talking about completely different audiences in all those cases.

ancapailldorcha

What planet are these "PC Brigade gone mad" people living on? There was huge outcry once Brown's beating of Rihanna got out.

smash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOjUKwoHUyw

rubadub

Deleted User wrote: »

We seem to live in a world where physical violence is OK - Chris Brown beats Rhianna, there is little or no public outcry. Floyd Mayweather beats his partner. Totally fine.

Is this a windup?!

Floyd Mayweather: The star athlete no sponsor will touch


Chris Brown concert loses 4th sponsor


those took no time to find, sure there are plenty more incidents.

I only heard of hogan on some side link, the other 2 were very well reported, with huge outcry.

dodderangler

Let me tell you something BROTHER!










That's all I got

homerjay2005

i think the point is just badly made here but the general statement being made by the OP has merit in it, just not how he says it.

all forms of discrimination, violence should be treated the same - all deplorable and should be stamped out, yet it appears that certain ones get more attention.

all these things should be treated with equal publicity and condemnation and this doenst happen. The Kelly Brook thing is a much better example than Rhianna, if it was the other way around, the mans career would be over.

One eyed Jack

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i think the point is just badly made here but the general statement being made by the OP has merit in it, just not how he says it.

all forms of discrimination, violence should be treated the same - all deplorable and should be stamped out, yet it appears that certain ones get more attention.

all these things should be treated with equal publicity and condemnation and this doenst happen. The Kelly Brook thing is a much better example than Rhianna, if it was the other way around, the mans career would be over.

It's silly idealism to think that everyone in society should think in such a uniform manner. It's completely unrealistic.

As for the nonsense about Kelly Brook, nobody gives a sh1t what Kelly Brook has to say at the best of times, so when she makes yet another dumb, off the cuff remark, well, people don't get outraged simply because she can be easily dismissed as an idiot. Nobody expects that much of her anyway.

Sean Connery on the other hand, his comments about slapping women didn't put the skids on his career, and that's just one example off the top of my head.

seamus

This one get airtime because of who it is and the way in which WWE wiped him out so quickly.

Truth is WWE is a viper's nest and have probably been itching to get rid of Hogan for years but couldn't figure out how to do it without upsetting fans. Recording of him saying something racist? Jackpot.

smash

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Sean Connery on the other hand, his comments about slapping women didn't put the skids on his career, and that's just one example off the top of my head.

This was long before social media.

seamus

seamus wrote: »

This one get airtime because of who it is and the way in which WWE wiped him out so quickly.

Truth is WWE is a viper's nest and have probably been itching to get rid of Hogan for years but couldn't figure out how to do it without upsetting fans. Recording of him saying something racist? Jackpot.

They pretty much Chris Benoit'd him!

Justice4Adolf

OP I want you to find a seat. Sit down before reading this.




Wrestling's not real.

Gooners

I think boneyarsebogman picked the wrong example with Rihanna and Chris Brown but I do think the argument has merit. While nobody in the media is saying physical violence is ok there is a much bigger deal made of racist or sexist comments.

smash

Gooners wrote: »

I think boneyarsebogman picked the wrong example with Rihanna and Chris Brown but I do think the argument has merit. While nobody in the media is saying physical violence is ok there is a much bigger deal made of racist or sexist comments.

To some, hurting someone's feelings seems to be worse that fracturing someone's face. Or at least they portray it that way because it sells more copies. The thing about it is that an assault on single person is just an assault. A racist or sexist comment targets half the world and maybe more.

LincolnsBeard

We live in a world where racism is associated as a justification for large scale violence, discrimination and even genocide. Therefore racist language is believed to be contributing to an environment where these things would be more likely to take place.

It is somewhat irrational I agree.

Knasher

Might be that one is assault, so there is an expectation that, if the victim chooses to press charges, that will be handled fairly by the courts.

Whereas there isn't anything illegal about having racist opinions, and anyone who is subjected to those opinions doesn't have any recourse. So in the lack of something else handling the situation, the only court available to people is the one of public opinion.

conorh91

Hulk Hogan has no Irish background, despite his name.

His real name is Terry Bollea (Terry? lol) and he was only given the name Hogan by an Irish-American wrestling promoter (founder of WWE) who wanted a 'fighting Irish' sorta character.

Can we still self-flagellate though?

razorblunt

Chris Brown seems to be worming his way back into the mainstream, for a while there there was nothing from him, then gradually there's "Artist A featuring Artist B and Chris Brown", then shortly afterwards "Artist A featuring Chris Brown", now recently it's "Chris Brown featuring Artist B".

Just goes to show radio stations will play what they're paid too.

One eyed Jack

Gooners wrote: »

I think boneyarsebogman picked the wrong example with Rihanna and Chris Brown but I do think the argument has merit. While nobody in the media is saying physical violence is ok there is a much bigger deal made of racist or sexist comments.

That's an opinion that's completely dependent upon your own selective perception, ironically enough.

You speak of "the media" as though all media sources share the same agenda, and imagine society as one big homogenous think tank.

The very thing you're complaining about, is exactly the thing you're trying to promote in society, but with your own agenda of course.

Samaris

smash wrote: »

The thing about it is that an assault on single person is just an assault. A racist or sexist comment targets half the world and maybe more.

LincolnsBeard wrote: »

We live in a world where racism is associated as a justification for large scale violence, discrimination and even genocide. Therefore racist language is believed to be contributing to an environment where these things would be more likely to take place.

It is somewhat irrational I agree.

I think both of those are very good points and not brought up enough. Whether or not they justify the added sentences for a bigotted crime as opposed to a random crime, I'm not sure. Maybe they do, as they can cultivate an atmosphere that will put more people at risk.

Wexicanfan

knew he was a nazi from day 1

Gooners

One eyed Jack wrote: »

That's an opinion that's completely dependent upon your own selective perception, ironically enough.

You speak of "the media" as though all media sources share the same agenda, and imagine society as one big homogenous think tank.

The very thing you're complaining about, is exactly the thing you're trying to promote in society, but with your own agenda of course.

I am trying to promote something in society? I have an agenda?

DEFTLEFTHAND

seamus wrote: »

This one get airtime because of who it is and the way in which WWE wiped him out so quickly.

Truth is WWE is a viper's nest and have probably been itching to get rid of Hogan for years but couldn't figure out how to do it without upsetting fans. Recording of him saying something racist? Jackpot.

He only returned to the WWE in 2014 after spending years at another promotion. He wasn't a regular fixture on their tv, he'd more of an ambassadorial role in the company than anything, just a few appearances here and there and was part of a couple of shows on their new network.

candy-gal1

I think what the OP is trying to say in maybe not so many words, but Ive thought the same myself, is that racism in any way or form seems to be considered sometimes worse that someone getting the crap kicked out of them!
As in sometimes it seems that once someone calls someone the N word then thats it, all bets are off and that person can get beaten up and itll be brought back to the "racist desparaging remark" that caused him/her to be beaten!

As in it seems like you could call a coloured person any name under the sun but once you mention the N word then thats it, even if no violence is occuring just that word!

RDM_83 again

candy-gal1 wrote: »

I think what the OP is trying to say in maybe not so many words, but Ive thought the same myself, is that racism in any way or form seems to be considered sometimes worse that someone getting the crap kicked out of them!
As in sometimes it seems that once someone calls someone the N word then thats it, all bets are off and that person can get beaten up and itll be brought back to the "racist desparaging remark" that caused him/her to be beaten!

As in it seems like you could call a coloured person any name under the sun but once you mention the N word then thats it, even if no violence is occuring just that word!

Also its an interesting question in a slightly different way.
Hogan went on a Racist rant about a matter in his personal life, in private, to another person of the same race, he's aware that he is racist as well.
Thats bad but does it actually cause any real harm if he doesn't actualize his racism, a fair few prominent black people have came out in support of him and called him a friend.

Now he's obviously a racist in that he holds racist views about his daughters partner but as long as he kept this internalized does it actually matter, he seems to have had good relationships with his black co-stars etc.

candy-gal1

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Also its an interesting question in a slightly different way.
Hogan went on a Racist rant about a matter in his personal life, in private, to another person of the same race, he's aware that he is racist as well.
Thats bad but does it actually cause any real harm if he doesn't actualize his racism, a fair few prominent black people have came out in support of him and called him a friend.

Now he's obviously a racist in that he holds racist views about his daughters partner but as long as he kept this internalized does it actually matter, he seems to have had good relationships with his black co-stars etc.

+1 there

Exactly, it brings up something to my mind which Ive always thought and said but imho racism as people call it as a bad thing etc to me would be someone going up to a person of different race/coloured etc and threathen them in one way or another unprovoked just because of the race/looks etc , that I can understand as bad.

But having your own private thoughts/opinions on other races no matter what they are good or bad , and even discussing/chatting with people about these opinions should be seen as free speech and fine as long as theres no intimidation on threat or physical violence involved, thats just imho anyway!

I mean, if calling someone black etc in a desparaging way is wrong and should be condemned then sure why not make anyone harrassing or abusing someone verbally over their looks be looked at the same way?!

RedemptionZ

Chris Brown got a LOT of publicity and outcry over that incident, however he's recovered and is doing just great, he's starred in movies since and had loads of very successful singles and concert tours. And in my opinion rightfully so, people make mistakes and he deserves his chance to try to make amends.

Hogan, or anyone found guilty of a racist incident however, won't get the same fate. And that's where the problem is for me. Especially because the video is I believe 8 years old, Hogan had tried to kill himself during that period and was obviously in a very dark place. Does that excuse racism? No but it's probably reasonable to assume he might've changed his tune or at least had the capacity to after he got his head right. The media doesn't care about that though and he'll probably always be known as 'racist Hulk Hogan'.

If you were to ask me what's worse, a guy beating his girlfriend or a guy making racist comments in a private setting, well I think it's a no brainer I'd pick the beating of the girlfriend. Society however doesn't seem to agree with me. So I don't think the OP is necessarily in the 'PC gone mad' brigade.

RedemptionZ

candy-gal1 wrote: »

+1 there

Exactly, it brings up something to my mind which Ive always thought and said but imho racism as people call it as a bad thing etc to me would be someone going up to a person of different race/coloured etc and threathen them in one way or another unprovoked just because of the race/looks etc , that I can understand as bad.

But having your own private thoughts/opinions on other races no matter what they are good or bad , and even discussing/chatting with people about these opinions should be seen as free speech and fine as long as theres no intimidation on threat or physical violence involved, thats just imho anyway!

I mean, if calling someone black etc in a desparaging way is wrong and should be condemned then sure why not make anyone harrassing or abusing someone verbally over their looks be looked at the same way?!

I agree, as long as no violence is incited or committed, however WWE obviously don't want to be seen to be employing and endorsing a man with those views and I can understand it tbf. I don't care if Jo Bloggs from Nigeria hates all white people, but if he's the host of Who Wants To Be A Millionaire, he certainly won't be incentivising me to watch it(and it was a crap show to begin with ) which will affect sponsors and whatnot, money is all they care about at the end of the day.