Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

mf240

Trying to decide whether to apply to the glanbia fixed price or not.

What are the rest of ye doing??

mf240

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Says it all really

Must be a mistake:D

atlantic mist

15 liters a day for a Holstein herd, the amount of oman bloodlines in ireland im surprised at that figure its hardly right is it would have though it would be double that

were 50/50 hl fr so wonder where we fit in there

not as many jersey cross herds as i though nationally

whelan2

mf240 wrote: »

Trying to decide whether to apply to the glanbia fixed price or not.

What are the rest of ye doing??

Did everyone get application forms? I didnt get anything about it

pedigree 6

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Says it all really

Thanks for that. I just looked up on the icbf website there now.
I had the code kept up from when they posted it to me before.
I entered in the dry off date for the herd. I was looking at this years report and they included the cull cows I was fattening this spring with the rest when the first milk was sent to the creamery. So every cow in the place was on report when milk started being delivered. Entering it in is not going to make any financial difference to me but i'll try and keep on top of it now.:)

stretch film

whelan2 wrote: »

Did everyone get application forms? I didnt get anything about it

Me neither . When I questioned I was told to download application form off connect.

Its the details im more interested in atm.
There is 5% of the liquid pool available to lock in also afaik. Can liquid supps put in two applications?. That was the impression I was given. Cant confirm when dont have t and c's

atlantic mist

got our application forms last week, small print its a cent lower than announced

were are entering this one because of premium product were selling, only the milk element

expect high uptake, was doing it up if we all enter well get bout 2k liters each

stretch film

atlantic mist wrote: »

got our application forms last week, small print its a cent lower than announced

were are entering this one because of premium product were selling, only the milk element

expect high uptake, was doing it up if we all enter well get bout 2k liters each

Whats the cent issue ?

Greengrass1

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Thanks for that. I just looked up on the icbf website there now.
I had the code kept up from when they posted it to me before.
I entered in the dry off date for the herd. I was looking at this years report and they included the cull cows I was fattening this spring with the rest when the first milk was sent to the creamery. So every cow in the place was on report when milk started being delivered. Entering it in is not going to make any financial difference to me but i'll try and keep on top of it now.:)

If you enter in the cows thst are bring culled it will stop them being calculated in any reports they do while there still in your herd

atlantic mist

1 cent is an administration and development charge to be deducted from all milk in scheme

mf240

atlantic mist wrote: »

got our application forms last week, small print its a cent lower than announced

were are entering this one because of premium product were selling, only the milk element

expect high uptake, was doing it up if we all enter well get bout 2k liters each

Do you think they will favour lafs that tick the meal option over lads that dont?

Youd wonder how it costs a cent a litre to admister.

darragh_haven

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Chatting to someone in the know this morning, said average milk price in the US at the moment is low to mid 30's. How come these guys were doing so good?

There seems to be geographical issues with some of the price difference but the big issue is distance to market.
The guy I visited in charge of Mississippi state university ag research said that the 1,000 to 10,000 cow herds we hear about are not what is in these southern states. Large areas of Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee and Louisiana are forestry, and very little is dedicated to agriculture as we know it. And even then the best return is row cropping, especially cotton, or double cropping.

Dairys look to put local milk on the shelves also, one farmer in Tennessee said he has a choice of 3 dairys, but has supplied one for 30 years. And the milk is in stores less than a 45 mile radius from him. He's getting $0.48 per liter.

It seems there is a strong "buy local" sentiment by the supermarkets, for products that can actually be produced locally. Staying small works well as there is a true co-op.

Larger 1,000 herds in the wide open planes of the mid-west and North Mid-west like Kansas Nebraska, montana Nort and South Dakota etc have economy of scale but are a large distance from processing plants and their final market, and this is why I would guess they are getting a price in the low to mid 30s

keep going

mf240 wrote: »

Trying to decide whether to apply to the glanbia fixed price or not.

What are the rest of ye doing??

even though it sounds daft you should only go for fixed price scheme thats less than the current price at the time and keep away when the price is higher

Brown Podzol

darragh_haven wrote: »

There seems to be geographical issues with some of the price difference but the big issue is distance to market.
The guy I visited in charge of Mississippi state university ag research said that the 1,000 to 10,000 cow herds we hear about are not what is in these southern states. Large areas of Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee and Louisiana are forestry, and very little is dedicated to agriculture as we know it. And even then the best return is row cropping, especially cotton, or double cropping.

Dairys look to put local milk on the shelves also, one farmer in Tennessee said he has a choice of 3 dairys, but has supplied one for 30 years. And the milk is in stores less than a 45 mile radius from him. He's getting $0.48 per liter.

It seems there is a strong "buy local" sentiment by the supermarkets, for products that can actually be produced locally. Staying small works well as there is a true co-op.

Larger 1,000 herds in the wide open planes of the mid-west and North Mid-west like Kansas Nebraska, montana Nort and South Dakota etc have economy of scale but are a large distance from processing plants and their final market, and this is why I would guess they are getting a price in the low to mid 30s

Four different classes of milk price in the U.S. An overview here,http://future.aae.wisc.edu/tutor/class_pricing/overview.html.

atlantic mist

100k to administer
they make reference to future schemes, give preference to those who buy meal

Cow Porter

ncbc (progressive and munster) are carrying ABS bulls in coming season

http://www.progressivegenetics.ie/downloads

alps

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Says it all really

Should have added this one where black and white herds produce more thàn X bred of same ebi.
Conclusion was hybrid vigour not appear ant in herds over 138 ebi..

mahoney_j

alps wrote: »

Should have added this one where black and white herds produce more thàn X bred of same ebi.
Conclusion was hybrid vigour not appear ant in herds over 138 ebi..

All high ebi hol fr here and won't be considering x breeding unless I could get stans wish list of 400 acres in one block with yard bang in middle of it!!!!!'.massive choice now within hol breed and ebi has been of massive benefit .x for me will give reduced milk yield ,reduced kg solids ,wipe out (as good as anyway )my bull calf and cull cow value which amount to more than beer money .surveys like that can be manipulated to suit a situation or try prove a point .

TossL1916

I was at the second session of that talk today and felt their was more questions than answers at the finish, the icbf guy had few answers when the questions came and it ended up being debated among the farmers. He was giving out over the fact that there isnt enough guys crossbreeding to have truly accurate figures, misfortunatly time ran out when the discussion was really getting going

alps wrote: »

Should have added this one where black and white herds produce more thàn X bred of same ebi.
Conclusion was hybrid vigour not appear ant in herds over 138 ebi..

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

All high ebi hol fr here and won't be considering x breeding unless I could get stans wish list of 400 acres in one block with yard bang in middle of it!!!!!'.massive choice now within hol breed and ebi has been of massive benefit .x for me will give reduced milk yield ,reduced kg solids ,wipe out (as good as anyway )my bull calf and cull cow value which amount to more than beer money .surveys like that can be manipulated to suit a situation or try prove a point .

Hold on there now.
So when the survey suits your thinking it's right?
But when it doesn't it's surely manipulated?
Even when both are done by icbf

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Hold on there now.
So when the survey suits your thinking it's right?
But when it doesn't it's surely manipulated?
Even when both are done by icbf

Read the post especially last bit ,

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Read the post especially last bit ,

Yes I read it. You are referring to the photo I put up?
But you completely agree with the second slide because it is your way of thinking.

The 2 slides completely contradict each other imo.

Milked out

I wouldn't say it's been manipulated it's just there aren't enough xbred herds to give more accurate data for a comparison like that. Either way as said here before its the lad behind the wheel determines performance more than anything. Also a possible caveat on the comparison is that the xbred herda due to small numbers may have a higher proportion of good managers as it's a rel modern route to go here and may have more focused people doing it per that 250 figure than the proportion in the 6000 hol herds. Again only an assumption

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Yes I read it. You are referring to the photo I put up?
But you completely agree with the second slide because it is your way of thinking.

The 2 slides completely contradict each other imo.

Quite literally couldn't be arsed with this crap again ,read my post again .i refuse to buy into the hype of blanket x breeding as been the saviour and will continue to plough a different path (one that's working but requires a more thought out approach )2 slides appearing to contradict one another tells its own story and guys presenting

stanflt

mahoney_j wrote: »

Quite literally couldn't be arsed with this crap again ,read my post again .i refuse to buy into the hype of blanket x breeding as been the saviour and will continue to plough a different path (one that's working but requires a more thought out approach )2 slides appearing to contradict one another tells its own story and guys presenting

Lads give it a rest- both slides speak for them selves

The problem with humans is that we interpret things the way we want to

Stop fighting
It's Christmas after all- time for peace and goodwill

alps

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mahoney_j

stanflt wrote: »

Lads give it a rest- both slides speak for them selves

The problem with humans is that we interpret things the way we want to

Stop fighting
It's Christmas after all- time for peace and goodwill

Bahhhh humbug!!

jaymla627

mahoney_j wrote: »

All high ebi hol fr here and won't be considering x breeding unless I could get stans wish list of 400 acres in one block with yard bang in middle of it!!!!!'.massive choice now within hol breed and ebi has been of massive benefit .x for me will give reduced milk yield ,reduced kg solids ,wipe out (as good as anyway )my bull calf and cull cow value which amount to more than beer money .surveys like that can be manipulated to suit a situation or try prove a point .

You should try a few norweigian reds, will actually increase your calf/cull value, the norweigian red bull calves here usually average 50 euro a head more then the hols/fr bulls, even 1st cross jersey/hols cows/calves are just about on par for cull/calf value you only run into problems on the second cross onwards if you keep going with jersey

keep going

thought all the angst is being released on the ifa thread

mahoney_j

jaymla627 wrote: »

You should try a few norweigian reds, will actually increase your calf/cull value, the norweigian red bull calves here usually average 50 euro a head more then the hols/fr bulls, even 1st cross jersey/hols cows/calves are just about on par for cull/calf value you only run into problems on the second cross onwards if you keep going with jersey

Seen a herd with some nr x and have to say wasn't overly impressed both in figures and appearance and also temperement can be an issue .if I ever do come into that 400 acre block I think x over and back jersey hol kiwi x is way I'd go.ayrshires is also a breed that interests me but not a great choice of Bulls