Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

stanflt

Milked out wrote: »

First autumn calver will calve in next 24 hours id say, due the 7th Oct. Mtz cow in calf to lwr. Cow due same day no springing at all yet, deu cow in calf to phc

I've seen some lovely black lwr so far on diff farms- I've only one and she is a beauty- out of an ex91 Ruu

Milked out

stanflt wrote: »

I've seen some lovely black lwr so far on diff farms- I've only one and she is a beauty- out of an ex91 Ruu

This will be interesting now as the cow is all white only enough black on her back for her freeze brand. Hopefully they'll go well now, have 30 incalf to him

stanflt

Milked out wrote: »

This will be interesting now as the cow is all white only enough black on her back for her freeze brand. Hopefully they'll go well now, have 30 incalf to him

I've a few more than that in calf to him!!!!

Dawggone

Wrapped a few strong paddocks and made hay for calves from some of it.

Along with harvesting sunflowers and maize. Busy.

frazzledhome

First autumn calves today lovely Hereford bull. All in calf to HE so 1 less group around the place

darragh_haven

frazzledhome wrote: »

First autumn calves today lovely Hereford bull. All in calf to HE so 1 less group around the place

What % of the herd are autumn calving. I thought late spring calvers would do a lot of your production

whelan2

frazzledhome wrote: »

First autumn calves today lovely Hereford bull. All in calf to HE so 1 less group around the place

Will you be selling the calves, mad prices at the minute

atlantic mist

done the scanning for pregnancy through the milk recording, very handy, 5%not in calf

does the higher the number under the pregnancy result means the longer she is in calf?

Dawggone

Split herd today. We went on calving dates. For you guys it would be a huge decision, for me .0001seconds....

Milked out

Dawggone wrote: »

Split herd today. We went on calving dates. For you guys it would be a huge decision, for me .0001seconds....

Keeping one herd in and one out? What's reason for splitting herd

Milked out

Milked out wrote: »

First autumn calver will calve in next 24 hours id say, due the 7th Oct. Mtz cow in calf to lwr. Cow due same day no springing at all yet, deu cow in calf to phc

Grand bull calf after landing, more black than white, lively little fella

oxjkqg

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

There is a huge difference in opinion between wet and dry shareholders.

Dry shareholders want to access the value of the shares that they in some way helped build and they want it now.

There is also the gray market for co-op shares that exists atm. Currently, co-op shares are trading for in excess of 250euro while the book value of those shares in c.400 euro. Those that want to sell aren't getting full market value for their shares, which is unfair. I would be in favour of a market opening up to sell back to the co-op at market value, to be paid from the dividends from the plc, and the shares cancelled. This could be done at regular intervals and the price increased/decreased depending on plc share value until the market finishes. This would allow those selling to get proper prices, the remaining shareholders to get increased value for their shares while losing potentially a lot/all of their dividends for a few years. While the dividend would mean a hit in cash flow, it would result in an increased value on the remaining shares.

Wet shareholders would like in some degree of access the value also but they also have an eye open for what happens when there is no farmer directors on the board. While the farmer directors have to have the future of the company as their first responsibility, there is a certain comfort in having 'one of our own' at the top table when decisions are being made even if the decisions would generally be the same regardless of who sits in the chair.

And further out, what happens when/if there is a bid put in for Kerry Group that's accepted? If the new owners don't want to be involved in processing milk, will we then be left with the onus of buying back our plant and equipment for top dollar with, probably, questionable management left in place(definitely none of the better managers will be left) and starting from scratch to find markets? None of this will matter to the dry shareholders but, as a wet shareholder, the future direction of the company would be uppermost in my mind to ensure the viability of my farm.

There is a buyback option in place atm, iirc, but I don't know if that is a longterm option.

For me, it's a matter of what philosophy you believe in. I would be a huge fan of co-operatives and the benefits they bring to both their owners and suppliers. I would have been against to going public first day but I do recognise the benefits that the increased value of the company has brought me and other farmers. I would still be of the opinion that it is better to own your own equipment and get paid slightly less than to get something extra in price without having the responsibility of maintenance and investing in plant and equipment.

This post is way longer than I expected, apologies for that, but I hope this explains why I will be voting no to any new spinout.

U have hit the nail in the head there. And by god but u dont want to get stuck trying to buy back a dump like Listowel, those shareholders have no interest in the future only how big a price the can get for there shares! The farmer supplying day to day is the only man interested... I dont think the shares can go any higher that they could hold out for a higher price or if management decisions changed..

RightTurnClyde

Dawggone wrote: »

Split herd today. We went on calving dates. For you guys it would be a huge decision, for me .0001seconds....

Split the herd ???

frazzledhome

darragh_haven wrote: »

What % of the herd are autumn calving. I thought late spring calvers would do a lot of your production

8% calving now. We usually sell most of them but not this year as out scan has shown massive early calving with no May cows and s small % in April so a lot of cows will be dried shortly after Christmas this year. We also have very few carry overs as 92% of cows are in calf calving in 12 weeks

That said if a guy wanted a few we'd sell.

Dawggone

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Split the herd ???

Running two dairy herds now...64km apart. Joint venture.

darragh_haven

frazzledhome wrote: »

8% calving now. We usually sell most of them but not this year as out scan has shown massive early calving with no May cows and s small % in April so a lot of cows will be dried shortly after Christmas this year. We also have very few carry overs as 92% of cows are in calf calving in 12 weeks

That said if a guy wanted a few we'd sell.

Some young lad mad horny for cows will bite yer hand off for them.
I'm sure greengrass will take a few off your hands. ......

Darragh_haven walks away.

Mehaffey1

Dawggone wrote: »

Running two dairy herds now...64km apart. Joint venture.

Sounds like you're setting up 'Dawggone Franchises'.

On farm we're up to 1.98ms/cow. Finally pulled back on supplement and tight feeding and letting the girls at the pasture. Hope we don't get behind on grass and lose quality and look like amateurs.

On staff note we have one guy give in his notice then retract it the next day. If it was me I would've sent him packing. Second kiwi guy has been given a talking to about speed and his work attitude which is appalling.

Can't have an easy day oh no lol

Dawggone

Mehaffey1 wrote: »

Sounds like you're setting up 'Dawggone Franchises'.

On farm we're up to 1.98ms/cow. Finally pulled back on supplement and tight feeding and letting the girls at the pasture. Hope we don't get behind on grass and lose quality and look like amateurs.

On staff note we have one guy give in his notice then retract it the next day. If it was me I would've sent him packing. Second kiwi guy has been given a talking to about speed and his work attitude which is appalling.

Can't have an easy day oh no lol

Don't get me started on imbeciles!
Christ above, what does it take to get (thinking) human beings!

Opening line from phuckwits is "how much of your farm will you part with"?..,FFS.

Greengrass1

darragh_haven wrote: »

Some young lad mad horny for cows will bite yer hand off for them.
I'm sure greengrass will take a few off your hands. ......

Darragh_haven walks away.

Frig the winter milkers. I'll take 40 spring calvers though.
5.3 bf 4.18pr 17l

Mehaffey1

Dawggone wrote: »

Don't get me started on imbeciles!
Christ above, what does it take to get (thinking) human beings!

Opening line from phuckwits is "how much of your farm will you part with"?..,FFS.

On a positive note have a Dutch agricultural uni student living with me and doing his placement on the farm.

Thank God he's going home in 4 weeks he'd have my job from under my feet lol

Dawggone

Mehaffey1 wrote: »

On a positive note have a Dutch agricultural uni student living with me and doing his placement on the farm.

Thank God he's going home in 4 weeks he'd have my job from under my feet lol

I want him!

Mehaffey1

Dawggone wrote: »

I want him!

Be having a few beer in the evenings talking about pasture management and production. Never stops asking questions, puts our full time employees to shame l

Dawggone

Mehaffey1 wrote: »

Be having a few beer in the evenings talking about pasture management and production. Never stops asking questions, puts our full time employees to shame l

Send him on...!

Sacrolyte

Dawggone wrote: »

Don't get me started on imbeciles!
Christ above, what does it take to get (thinking) human beings!

Opening line from phuckwits is "how much of your farm will you part with"?..,FFS.

Imbeciles! Careful now. Your sounding very French.

Dawggone

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Frig the winter milkers. I'll take 40 spring calvers though.
5.3 bf 4.18pr 17l

4.3 BF
3.31 p

34.4l

24/7 grass with 3kgdm maize and 5kg maize crimp.

Greengrass1

Dawggone wrote: »

4.3 BF
3.31 p

34.4l

24/7 grass with 3kgdm maize and 5kg maize crimp.

2.7 kgs of ms. Many of them fresh?

whelan2

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/flat-rate-dairy-payment-with-top-up-for-young-farmers-on-the-cards/?utm_content=buffer9199a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer , not being smart here but how can they say young farmers are being hit the most by poor milk price, surely there's alot of long established lads/ older new entrants in trouble too - I have nothing against young farmers btw

frazzledhome

whelan2 wrote: »

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/flat-rate-dairy-payment-with-top-up-for-young-farmers-on-the-cards/?utm_content=buffer9199a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer , not being smart here but how can they say young farmers are being hit the most by poor milk price, surely there's alot of long established lads/ older new entrants in trouble too - I have nothing against young farmers btw

It's buttons and won't make a posies odds one way or another

kowtow

frazzledhome wrote: »

It's buttons and won't make a posies odds one way or another

Well they won't be giving us any of it 'cos we don't count as a dairy farm.

Not sure what they think we draw out of them everyday.. liquid plutonium?

Timmaay

kowtow wrote: »

Not sure what they think we draw out of them everyday.. liquid plutonium?

much of a market for that ha?