Golovkin v Lemieux Oct 17

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I hate Lemieux but I'd love if he beat Golovkin. The hype he's getting is getting ridiculous, and in my opinion somewhat unjustified. There's no way a guy with as weak a resume as his should be top 10 p4p, let alone #4 which he is now. Should be a handy night for Golovkin though, Lemieux's chin has been cracked before by lesser men. It'll be interesting to see how Golovkin himself takes a good slap though.

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Morrison J

Can't see this fight lasting long anyway. Golovkin stoppage within 5. Lemieux doesn't have the chin to stick in there with GGG.

Should be an all out war while it lasts though.

Tedesco33

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I hate Lemieux but I'd love if he beat Golovkin. The hype he's getting is getting ridiculous, and in my opinion somewhat unjustified. There's no way a guy with as weak a resume as his should be top 10 p4p, let alone #4 which he is now. Should be a handy night for Golovkin though, Lemieux's chin has been cracked before by lesser men. It'll be interesting to see how Golovkin himself takes a good slap though.

Golovkin is the p4p number one in the world in my opinion. He has fought some very good opponents and destroyed them all.no one else has been more impressive.

Johner

Tedesco33 wrote: »

Golovkin is the p4p number one in the world in my opinion. He has fought some very good opponents and destroyed them all.no one else has been more impressive.

Golovkin is a beast but he hasn't fought anyone of note really. Macklin, Murray and Geale are his top wins? Middleweight is a pretty poor division, GGG is the only truly world class fighter in the rankings(Cotto was world class at lower weights) and I do think he deserves to in the top 10 P4P but based on who he has fought he can't be number 1.

Tedesco33

Johner wrote: »

Golovkin is a beast but he hasn't fought anyone of note really. Macklin, Murray and Geale are his top wins? Middleweight is a pretty poor division, GGG is the only truly world class fighter in the rankings(Cotto was world class at lower weights) and I do think he deserves to in the top 10 P4P but based on who he has fought he can't be number 1.

Who is a more effective and skilled boxer active today?

Johner

Mayweather and Ward for starters, Roman Gonzalez would have to feature high on any P4P lists as well. I'm not saying Golovkin doesn't deserve to be on a P4P list because he does, but he hasn't fought anyone of real world class ability to be considered number one. But again I don't see the quality in the middleweight division.

Tedesco33

Johner wrote: »

Mayweather and Ward for starters, Roman Gonzalez would have to feature high on any P4P lists as well. I'm not saying Golovkin doesn't deserve to be on a P4P list because he does, but he hasn't fought anyone of real world class ability to be considered number one. But again I don't see the quality in the middleweight division.

Golovkin's abilities won't suddenly change when he beats someone of world class ability. I think he can beat world class opposition and I think he is the best p4p boxer in the world. Who has Ward beaten recently who is world class? Mayweather hasn't even knocked anyone out properly since 2007. When is the last time Mayweather even hurt an opponent. His face looked worse than his opponents in his last here fights. Knocking out Martin Murray deserves a lot if credit. He's made if steel.

FTA69

Who is more skilful than Golovkin? Ward, Mayweather, Rigondeaux, Gonzales, Lomachenko, Pacquiao, Marquez, Bradley. I can think of a few who are more technically skilled than Gennady to be honest.

He's definitely up there with the best at the moment but let's not overblow him either.

walshb

How exactly is Mayweather, for example. more skilled? Skilled in what area? Boxing encompasses so so much. GGG is a tremendous all around hunter/boxer/slugger. He has a complete enough package. IMO when you add up all areas of the sport, he is every bit the complete package that Mayweather is, and better. I don't see anything stellar in Mayweather's last few wins that somehow elevates him so clearly ahead of GGG.

Throw in Rigo as well. Same argument applies. Throw in any name and GGG can hold his own as the most skilled. Pacman? Skill is something I don't associate all that much with Manny. JMM, yes, he to me is skilled. Bradely is skilled. Ward is skilled. The only name that IMO really stands out as skilled to a ridiculous degree is Lomachenko. He I would say can challenge and get ahead of GGG in terms of all round skill. The others have not got some automatic claim to be ahead of GGG. No way.

GGG has beaten no star names, but clearly he is the best MW out there. He is decimating them. Rigo has beaten one single decent opponent, yet he is highly rated at p4p. GGG deserves to be up there with some of the names on the p4p list.

Talib Fiasco

What takes the p*ss for me is that Kovalev is behind Golovkin in the p4p rankings yet his resume in the last year is better than Golovkin's as a whole, his KO's have been as devastating (lets not forget here, Kovalev has killed a man in the ring) and his boxing skills are as good as Golovkin. Golovkin would need to move up and beat the likes of Ward and DeGale before I'd put him in the same leagues as Floyd, Gonzalez, Manny, Kovalev, Wlad. He's unlucky in a way the MW division is pretty weak, and the biggest draws there are blown up welters who can still make light middleweight.

walshb

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

What takes the p*ss for me is that Kovalev is behind Golovkin in the p4p rankings yet his resume in the last year is better than Golovkin's as a whole, his KO's have been as devastating (lets not forget here, Kovalev has killed a man in the ring)

You mention this death as some sort of badge of honour, as if Kovalev is somehow a worthier puncher/hitter, or deserves extra kudos for this. I find that comment a little distasteful to be honest. Any man who can punch a little has the ability to kill his opponent, but I wouldn't use it as a criterion to elevate him that little bit higher than a man who has not killed in the ring.

Talib Fiasco

walshb wrote: »

You mention this death as some sort of badge of honour, as if Kovalev is somehow a worthier kpuncher/hitter, or deserves extra kudos for this. I find that comment a little distasteful to be honest. Any man who can punch a little has the ability to kill his opponent, but I wouldn't use it as a criterion to elevate him that little bit higher than a man who has not killed in the ring.

Of course I am not, I have just seen people flash this around that Golovkin is the hardest hitting and baddest guy in Boxing, something I disagree on. Kovalev is a freak compared to him, I've never seen such a brutal boxer that actually has a bit about him. It's also incredible how little force it looks like he's punching with but it still stuns and knocks people out. The criteria people use to elevate Golovkin to unwarranted hype levels is due to his power, but Kovalev is a rank above that considering the calibre of guys he's fought.

titan18

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Of course I am not, I have just seen people flash this around that Golovkin is the hardest hitting and baddest guy in Boxing, something I disagree on. Kovalev is a freak compared to him, I've never seen such a brutal boxer that actually has a bit about him. It's also incredible how little force it looks like he's punching with but it still stuns and knocks people out. The criteria people use to elevate Golovkin to unwarranted hype levels is due to his power, but Kovalev is a rank above that considering the calibre of guys he's fought.

Kovalev himself says that Golovkin is the harder hitter, and Abel Sanchez said that Golovkin actually knocked down Kovalev in a sparring session before.

http://www.boxingscene.com/kovalev-on-golovkins-power-says-hes-harder-hitter--91475

http://thaboxingvoice.com/abel-sanchez-says-golovkin-dropped-kovalev-in-sparring/33762?var=no

Most likely just PR stuff, but I'dd still regard Golovkin as the harder hitter

Talib Fiasco

titan18 wrote: »

Kovalev himself says that Golovkin is the harder hitter, and Abel Sanchez said that Golovkin actually knocked down Kovalev in a sparring session before.

http://www.boxingscene.com/kovalev-on-golovkins-power-says-hes-harder-hitter--91475

http://thaboxingvoice.com/abel-sanchez-says-golovkin-dropped-kovalev-in-sparring/33762?var=no

Most likely just PR stuff, but I'dd still regard Golovkin as the harder hitter

Until Golovkin fights top quality guys like Kovalev has, Kovalev is the bigger hitter.

megadodge

Anyway, I'm REAAAALLLLLLYYYY looking forward to this fight happening - if it does.

There is no possible way there won't be serious action here. Golovkin can be hit (and quite flush), but he has proven so far to have a very good chin. But Lemieux is a terrific puncher. If he lands clean it will be interesting to see how Golovkin takes it. If he takes clean punches off Lemieux without any adverse effect, then we really have a monster on our hands.

SHOVELLER

Tickets booked. Looking forward to this. Cant beat the fights at the Garden!

Talib Fiasco

Gonzalez/Viloria confirmed for the undercard. I am more excited for that fight tbh.

Deiseboy01

Hopefully being televised on Sky or Boxnation?

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Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Hopefully being televised on Sky or Boxnation?

@GGGBoxing: We are excited to be on @boxnationtv on Oct 17! https://t.co/n9ZDal3LdX


Really looking forward to this fight, big fan of GGG

ThunderCat

efb wrote: »

@GGGBoxing: We are excited to be on @boxnationtv on Oct 17! https://t.co/n9ZDal3LdX


Really looking forward to this fight, big fan of GGG

I was in Vegas recently and I saw a sign in a small sports memorabilia shop in a shopping centre that GGG was going to do a meet and greet with fans there. Typical that it was happening two days after I left but it would have been great for anyone that did attend.

Johner

They have done a pretty good job of selling this fight and hyping it up. Lemieux is rubbish and will be blasted out within 4 is my prediction. GGG's CV really is poor but middleweight is a really bad division quality wise to be fair.

Henno30

Johner wrote: »

They have done a pretty good job of selling this fight and hyping it up. Lemieux is rubbish and will be blasted out within 4 is my prediction. GGG's CV really is poor but middleweight is a really bad division quality wise to be fair.

Wouldn't say rubbish. N'Dam is a solid win and he was a cut above the likes of Rosado and Guerrero. He probably is overrated at the moment but he does have legit power and that alone could make it a good one. Golovkin should still win of course. Hopefully the Canelo fight will happen after that.

jobless

guys any idea what time this fight might start at?

walshb

jobless wrote: »

guys any idea what time this fight might start at?

I'd say no later than 0400 Irish time. It's on in New York. Programme starts at 0200 hrs BoxNation.

efb

I won't catch the fight live, I'll be in Cardiff but hopefully catch a replay

clubwelly

Oh this is gonna be great!!

Didn't realise that GGG was taller than Lemieux

Link to the weigh in and face off:

coronaextra

Going to try setting my alarm, Looking forward to seeing GGG on show, is this going to be a total mismatch? In an interview with HBO saying that he may not go full blast in order to try and tempt other fighters

Massimo Cassagrande

Golovkin has a chin like granite, he's taken some huge punches and just nodded, and he has hands like hammers. To me, he is the p4p best in the ring at the moment. I'd love to watch the fight, but it'll have to be on Youtube after the fact, lol...the stingey and all that...

qwabercd

GGG is a joy to watch. Beautiful control, beautiful accuracy. Lemieux lost at sea.

Henno30

Strong finish to the 6th from Lemieux. Landed some very solid shots.

Henno30

Very composed performance from Golovkin overall. Controlled Lemieux with his jab and made it look pretty easy. Decent rally from Lemieux at the end of the 6th but he looked a beaten man by the end of the 7th. Fight could have gone on but there probably wouldn't have been much point. Onwards and upwards for GGG.

Andre 3000

It went the way I thought it would, although Golovkin was far more cautious this time out which is understandable. Still though, he would have learned nothing from this fight other than he has to be careful not to get DQ'd. He was extremely lucky last night for that cheap shot.

On the other hand, Roman Gonzalez was incredible. Destroyed a fantastic boxer in Viloria. He's frighteningly good and looks to be getting better. A rematch with Gallo needs to happen.

weemcd

GGG didn't waste a single punch last night, it was an extremely efficient performance. Never looked phased by Lemieux.

Thoroughly enjoyed Roy Jones Jr's input on the night as usual, especially his comments about punching Montell Griffin and getting DQ'd

walshb

GGG looked two weights bigger.

Gonzalez looked good against a very game Viloria.

megadodge

Andre 3000 wrote: »

It went the way I thought it would, although Golovkin was far more cautious this time out which is understandable. Still though, he would have learned nothing from this fight other than he has to be careful not to get DQ'd. He was extremely lucky last night for that cheap shot.

On the other hand, Roman Gonzalez was incredible. Destroyed a fantastic boxer in Viloria. He's frighteningly good and looks to be getting better. A rematch with Gallo needs to happen.

Two things.

1. It didn't go just as you thought. Your prediction in the competition was

Golovkin KO 1/2...terrible mismatch

and that's why I'm on your case. Besides being wrong, I thought that comment was extremely disrespectful to Lemieux and while Golovkin dominated him, it was through being outboxed. I don't have a problem with the stoppage, but Lemieux could definitely have gone on. Not exactly the mismatch you were predicting.

2. Viloria was never a "fantastic boxer". NEVER!

It seems to me you have an anti-Golovkin agenda and you're over-critical of virtually everything he does, while exaggerating what others do so as to take credit away from him.

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Andre 3000

megadodge wrote: »

Two things.

1. It didn't go just as you thought. Your prediction in the competition was



and that's why I'm on your case. Besides being wrong, I thought that comment was extremely disrespectful to Lemieux and while Golovkin dominated him, it was through being outboxed. I don't have a problem with the stoppage, but Lemieux could definitely have gone on. Not exactly the mismatch you were predicting.

2. Viloria was never a "fantastic boxer". NEVER!

It seems to me you have an anti-Golovkin agenda and you're over-critical of virtually everything he does, while exaggerating what others do so as to take credit away from him.

1. My round prediction was off, but it was a scandalous mismatch. Truth be told Golovkin could have finished it inside a round or two...but it's his PPV debut, he'd disappoint quite a lot of people for paying for a fight worth 5 minutes. It was a terrible mismatch. Golovkin almost seemed like he didn't care at times. I am not a fan of Lemieuex at all, I think he is one of the weakest world champs we have ever seen on PPV. I am certain he'll become a fringe fighter after this, and that's not through Golovkin "ruining" him. It's because he isn't that good.

2. You are greatly mistaken. Viloria even now is a terrific fighter. Great amateur background and some great wins against the likes of Segura and Marquez. He fought tooth and nail with Estrada, who's a top 10 fighter in the world of all divisions and barely lost a decision. Any guy who can survive and almost beat Estrada is a top fighter. He fought well last night, even winning some rounds against a guy who'll likely go down as the best "small" fighter of all time. Viloria is a very very good fighter. Just because he's a Flyweight and is not named Gonzalez, Inoue, Nietes or Estrada doesn't mean he's not a great fighter.

walshb

I was hugely impressed with Viloria.

As to Lemueux. Weak WC that GGG carried.

menoscemo

walshb wrote: »

GGG looked two weights bigger.

GGG definitely looked a weight above which is surprising since le Mieux was heavier in the pre-fight weigh-in and considerably heavier in the weigh-ins in the weeks before the fight. I definitely thought he would look bigger.

Really impressed as always with both GGG and Gonzalez last night. They just look so solid and heavy handed. Don't really seem to have any weaknesses.

Henno30

Gonzalez was superb. In terms of the balance between quality and entertainment he's the best fighter in the world right now. Really hope we get to seem him fight Inoue. There's a bit of a size difference to overcome but it would be a fantasy match-up if they made it happen.

Andre 3000

Henno30 wrote: »

Gonzalez was superb. In terms of the balance between quality and entertainment he's the best fighter in the world right now. Really hope we get to seem him fight Inoue. There's a bit of a size difference to overcome but it would be a fantasy match-up if they made it happen.

A rematch with Estrada has to happen in the next twelve months. That'll be just as good. Gallo was young when they first fought and he has improved a lot since then, as has Gonzalez.

If I see Inoue back in the ring at all I'd be happy. Such a shame injury has ruined his 2015 after being fighter of the year last year.

walshb

Viloria simply had not got the same pop in his shots. He had everything else, but Gonzales had the hurtful punches, as well as looking bigger. Had Viloria got a real decent dig on him he could have done a lot of damage. Gonzales is no Willie Pep in terms of defence. In offence he is one of the most beautiful punching specimens I have seen in a long time.

ThunderCat

What weight does Gonzalez fight at? Is the gulf in weight too big to ever hope to see him in with Rigo?

As an aside, I thought both Gonzalez and GGG were terrific this weekend. I would love nothing more than to see GGG in with Floyd at 152 in 2016. Aint gonna happen though. I'd settle for a fight against Ward though.

walshb

ThunderCat wrote: »

What weight does Gonzalez fight at? Is the gulf in weight too big to ever hope to see him in with Rigo?

As an aside, I thought both Gonzalez and GGG were terrific this weekend. I would love nothing more than to see GGG in with Floyd at 152 in 2016. Aint gonna happen though. I'd settle for a fight against Ward though.

Really he seems big enough to add a few lbs to meet Rigo, who is a small man. These lower weight guys are sperated by next to nothing in real terms. Gonzales would be thoriughly beaten by Rigo IMO, unless he can close distance, get close, and stay close to unload his shots. Rigo likely keeps him at distance and hurts him with whipping shots and counters. Rigo's defense and fet would prove very difficult for Roman to negate.

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

Open to correction but didn't GGG walk into the ring weighing 168 the other night?

I didn't hear that, but he looked clearly bigger than DL.

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

He was fighting for the IBF title and they have a 10 pound rehydration clause but that check weight is usually done on the morning of the fight. I could be mixing it up with that.

For all I know DL could have weighed heavier on fight night. Just going by ring viewing it looked like GGG was a weight bigger in all over terms.

menoscemo

pac_man wrote: »

Open to correction but didn't GGG walk into the ring weighing 168 the other night?

Don't know where, but I heard he was 170 and LeMieux 175.

GGG clearly walks around close to fighting weight. I think they checked weights 5 weeks out and he was something like 165

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

So he'd be giving away the guts of a stone in weight if he moved up to Supermiddle. Would be interesting to see if the power follows through given the weight differential.

If GGG moved to SMW he'd be giving away a stone? Possible alright. Didn't Groves and Froch weigh sub 180 on their fight nights?

Emmo-m-

Good performance by GGG. I'm not his biggest fan but that was defo his best performance so far. That JAB was beautiful all night. Seems to be systematically breaking guys down then knocking them out. Can't really argue with that.

In saying that , if Lemieux wasn't IBF champion that fight would not have sold out the garden. Some good marketing being a unification fight so was an easier sell.

Still some good fights down at MW for GGG. Quillin/Jacobs winner or Lee/Saunders and of course Cotto/Canelo. Any or all 3 of those winners would do nicely.

Personally i'd like to see him against Floyd at 154 or Ward at 168. I think he would have a better chance against Floyd but would still probably get out- pointed and I think Ward gives him a beating.