Golovkin v Lemieux Oct 17

Henno30

Strong finish to the 6th from Lemieux. Landed some very solid shots.

Henno30

Very composed performance from Golovkin overall. Controlled Lemieux with his jab and made it look pretty easy. Decent rally from Lemieux at the end of the 6th but he looked a beaten man by the end of the 7th. Fight could have gone on but there probably wouldn't have been much point. Onwards and upwards for GGG.

Andre 3000

It went the way I thought it would, although Golovkin was far more cautious this time out which is understandable. Still though, he would have learned nothing from this fight other than he has to be careful not to get DQ'd. He was extremely lucky last night for that cheap shot.

On the other hand, Roman Gonzalez was incredible. Destroyed a fantastic boxer in Viloria. He's frighteningly good and looks to be getting better. A rematch with Gallo needs to happen.

weemcd

GGG didn't waste a single punch last night, it was an extremely efficient performance. Never looked phased by Lemieux.

Thoroughly enjoyed Roy Jones Jr's input on the night as usual, especially his comments about punching Montell Griffin and getting DQ'd

walshb

GGG looked two weights bigger.

Gonzalez looked good against a very game Viloria.

megadodge

Andre 3000 wrote: »

It went the way I thought it would, although Golovkin was far more cautious this time out which is understandable. Still though, he would have learned nothing from this fight other than he has to be careful not to get DQ'd. He was extremely lucky last night for that cheap shot.

On the other hand, Roman Gonzalez was incredible. Destroyed a fantastic boxer in Viloria. He's frighteningly good and looks to be getting better. A rematch with Gallo needs to happen.

Two things.

1. It didn't go just as you thought. Your prediction in the competition was

Golovkin KO 1/2...terrible mismatch

and that's why I'm on your case. Besides being wrong, I thought that comment was extremely disrespectful to Lemieux and while Golovkin dominated him, it was through being outboxed. I don't have a problem with the stoppage, but Lemieux could definitely have gone on. Not exactly the mismatch you were predicting.

2. Viloria was never a "fantastic boxer". NEVER!

It seems to me you have an anti-Golovkin agenda and you're over-critical of virtually everything he does, while exaggerating what others do so as to take credit away from him.

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Andre 3000

megadodge wrote: »

Two things.

1. It didn't go just as you thought. Your prediction in the competition was



and that's why I'm on your case. Besides being wrong, I thought that comment was extremely disrespectful to Lemieux and while Golovkin dominated him, it was through being outboxed. I don't have a problem with the stoppage, but Lemieux could definitely have gone on. Not exactly the mismatch you were predicting.

2. Viloria was never a "fantastic boxer". NEVER!

It seems to me you have an anti-Golovkin agenda and you're over-critical of virtually everything he does, while exaggerating what others do so as to take credit away from him.

1. My round prediction was off, but it was a scandalous mismatch. Truth be told Golovkin could have finished it inside a round or two...but it's his PPV debut, he'd disappoint quite a lot of people for paying for a fight worth 5 minutes. It was a terrible mismatch. Golovkin almost seemed like he didn't care at times. I am not a fan of Lemieuex at all, I think he is one of the weakest world champs we have ever seen on PPV. I am certain he'll become a fringe fighter after this, and that's not through Golovkin "ruining" him. It's because he isn't that good.

2. You are greatly mistaken. Viloria even now is a terrific fighter. Great amateur background and some great wins against the likes of Segura and Marquez. He fought tooth and nail with Estrada, who's a top 10 fighter in the world of all divisions and barely lost a decision. Any guy who can survive and almost beat Estrada is a top fighter. He fought well last night, even winning some rounds against a guy who'll likely go down as the best "small" fighter of all time. Viloria is a very very good fighter. Just because he's a Flyweight and is not named Gonzalez, Inoue, Nietes or Estrada doesn't mean he's not a great fighter.

walshb

I was hugely impressed with Viloria.

As to Lemueux. Weak WC that GGG carried.

menoscemo

walshb wrote: »

GGG looked two weights bigger.

GGG definitely looked a weight above which is surprising since le Mieux was heavier in the pre-fight weigh-in and considerably heavier in the weigh-ins in the weeks before the fight. I definitely thought he would look bigger.

Really impressed as always with both GGG and Gonzalez last night. They just look so solid and heavy handed. Don't really seem to have any weaknesses.

Henno30

Gonzalez was superb. In terms of the balance between quality and entertainment he's the best fighter in the world right now. Really hope we get to seem him fight Inoue. There's a bit of a size difference to overcome but it would be a fantasy match-up if they made it happen.

Andre 3000

Henno30 wrote: »

Gonzalez was superb. In terms of the balance between quality and entertainment he's the best fighter in the world right now. Really hope we get to seem him fight Inoue. There's a bit of a size difference to overcome but it would be a fantasy match-up if they made it happen.

A rematch with Estrada has to happen in the next twelve months. That'll be just as good. Gallo was young when they first fought and he has improved a lot since then, as has Gonzalez.

If I see Inoue back in the ring at all I'd be happy. Such a shame injury has ruined his 2015 after being fighter of the year last year.

walshb

Viloria simply had not got the same pop in his shots. He had everything else, but Gonzales had the hurtful punches, as well as looking bigger. Had Viloria got a real decent dig on him he could have done a lot of damage. Gonzales is no Willie Pep in terms of defence. In offence he is one of the most beautiful punching specimens I have seen in a long time.

ThunderCat

What weight does Gonzalez fight at? Is the gulf in weight too big to ever hope to see him in with Rigo?

As an aside, I thought both Gonzalez and GGG were terrific this weekend. I would love nothing more than to see GGG in with Floyd at 152 in 2016. Aint gonna happen though. I'd settle for a fight against Ward though.

walshb

ThunderCat wrote: »

What weight does Gonzalez fight at? Is the gulf in weight too big to ever hope to see him in with Rigo?

As an aside, I thought both Gonzalez and GGG were terrific this weekend. I would love nothing more than to see GGG in with Floyd at 152 in 2016. Aint gonna happen though. I'd settle for a fight against Ward though.

Really he seems big enough to add a few lbs to meet Rigo, who is a small man. These lower weight guys are sperated by next to nothing in real terms. Gonzales would be thoriughly beaten by Rigo IMO, unless he can close distance, get close, and stay close to unload his shots. Rigo likely keeps him at distance and hurts him with whipping shots and counters. Rigo's defense and fet would prove very difficult for Roman to negate.

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

Open to correction but didn't GGG walk into the ring weighing 168 the other night?

I didn't hear that, but he looked clearly bigger than DL.

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

He was fighting for the IBF title and they have a 10 pound rehydration clause but that check weight is usually done on the morning of the fight. I could be mixing it up with that.

For all I know DL could have weighed heavier on fight night. Just going by ring viewing it looked like GGG was a weight bigger in all over terms.

menoscemo

pac_man wrote: »

Open to correction but didn't GGG walk into the ring weighing 168 the other night?

Don't know where, but I heard he was 170 and LeMieux 175.

GGG clearly walks around close to fighting weight. I think they checked weights 5 weeks out and he was something like 165

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

So he'd be giving away the guts of a stone in weight if he moved up to Supermiddle. Would be interesting to see if the power follows through given the weight differential.

If GGG moved to SMW he'd be giving away a stone? Possible alright. Didn't Groves and Froch weigh sub 180 on their fight nights?

Emmo-m-

Good performance by GGG. I'm not his biggest fan but that was defo his best performance so far. That JAB was beautiful all night. Seems to be systematically breaking guys down then knocking them out. Can't really argue with that.

In saying that , if Lemieux wasn't IBF champion that fight would not have sold out the garden. Some good marketing being a unification fight so was an easier sell.

Still some good fights down at MW for GGG. Quillin/Jacobs winner or Lee/Saunders and of course Cotto/Canelo. Any or all 3 of those winners would do nicely.

Personally i'd like to see him against Floyd at 154 or Ward at 168. I think he would have a better chance against Floyd but would still probably get out- pointed and I think Ward gives him a beating.

walshb

Floyd does not outpoint GGG. Floyd has no offence to do this, and GGG, even a bit weight drained walks through him and beats him up in a one sided fight. It's not a fair fight. He barely squeaked past a FW Pacman.

Canelo and Cotto will get brutalised by GGG. Cotto isn't even a real MW. Canelo is too easily hit, and has not near the MW power needed to discourage GGG.

The MW division is not where GGG will get tested. It's at SMW where we will enjoy him more.

ThunderCat

walshb wrote: »

Floyd does not outpoint GGG. Floyd has no offence to do this, and GGG, even a bit weight drained walks through him and beats him up in a one sided fight. It's not a fair fight. He barely squeaked past a FW Pacman.

Canelo and Cotto will get brutalised by GGG. Cotto isn't even a real MW. Canelo is too easily hit, and has not near the MW power needed to discourage GGG.

The MW division is not where GGG will get tested, It's at SMW where we will enjoy him more,

Totally agree. If Ward doesn't fight GGG for whatever reason then I want to see Ward fight Kovalev. Preferably both. If Ward can beat both men then his recent inactivity will be forgotten about and legacy cemented in my book.

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

At least Lara offers that bit of movement.

That's about all he offers. Similar to Floyd. He would prove tricky to trap.

Emmo-m-

I'd like to see GGG vs Lara as well. He's yet to fight a slick boxer and Willie Munroe Jr does not count. And their is not many of that style at the moment at MW which suits GGG just fine I would imagine

Andre 3000

New analysis video of Gonzalez...absolutely brilliant breakdown.

Andre 3000

I'd like to see Canelo fight him as Canelo will definitely try his heart out. I think Canelo would be able to take a lot of his shots and be able to get through with his combinations. I would love Lara to fight him, but I'd like if Lara moved to 160 for a few fights before fighting Golovkin. Fighting Cotto and then maybe someone like Saunders would be a wise move for him before Golovkin. But bless him, Lara will fight anyone here and now. Is the stereotypical weak Cuban jaw present in Lara? Besides the Angulo fight has he been knocked down as a pro? He did take a good lot of leather and survived from the massive Paul Williams who was a pretty good puncher in his day.

Emmo-m-

I think Canelo defo has the best chance to hit GGG with some proper combinations and see how he reacts but Canelo also has concrete feet so would depend on how his own chin holds up.

There is a great mixture of matchups available , next 12-18 months hopefully most of them get made. Also , Ward Kovalev more likely to be made before GGG Ward as well

walshb

Emmo-m- wrote: »

I think Canelo defo has the best chance to hit GGG with some proper combinations and see how he reacts but Canelo also has concrete feet so would depend on how his own chin holds up.

And this is where IMO he gets found out. He hasn't got the power to dent or discourage. If he did I would be very surprised. He then is in range to be tagged by a vey heavy handed MW. Not good for Canelo. Too stationary, and too "feather" fisted!

Andre 3000

Golovkin/Ward will never happen tbh. I'd say Ward might only fight once more at 168, hopefully against DeGale but I wouldn't rule out an Abraham rematch or Badou Jack. It's more than less been confirmed he's moving to 175 though. Golovkin is at a stage of his career where moving up one weight class might be tricky maintaining that weight. He is nearly 34 after all. Ward on the other hand is a few years younger and fought at LHW as an amateur (albeit likely never going over 170lbs). Still for Golovkin to put on at least 10 lbs of solid weight at his age and in such a short time would be hard going. I don't mind much though as Kovalev/Ward would be a much more interesting fight.

walshb

Andre 3000 wrote: »

Golovkin/Ward will never happen tbh. I'd say Ward might only fight once more at 168, hopefully against DeGale but I wouldn't rule out an Abraham rematch or Badou Jack. It's more than less been confirmed he's moving to 175 though. Golovkin is at a stage of his career where moving up one weight class might be tricky maintaining that weight. He is nearly 34 after all. Ward on the other hand is a few years younger and fought at LHW as an amateur (albeit likely never going over 170lbs). Still for Golovkin to put on at least 10 lbs of solid weight at his age and in such a short time would be hard going. I don't mind much though as Kovalev/Ward would be a much more interesting fight.

Ward looked chunkier in the ams. I doubt he was 170 lbs as an amteur. That's 8 lbs shy of the 178 lbs limit.