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survey finds 49% of Americans believe in a medical conspiracy

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  • 12-07-2015 4:54pm
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    jh79
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    An online survey found that 49% of Americans believe in at least one medical conspiracy theory from a choice of 6 with 18% believing at least 3!

    So how many do you believe and do you think there is any genuine evidence to support these theories?

    It's a zero for me.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/19/health-conspiracy-theories/6602775/

    *Could a mod edit the title to say 49 % please.


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    degrassinoel
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    done :)


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    galljga1
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    Survey finds 49% of Americans are idiots.


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    jh79
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    degrassinoel wrote: »
    done :)

    Thanks, could you fix my link too don't think it is working?


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    weisses
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    An online survey conducted which had roughly 675 people believe this CT and somehow that represents half of the US population ? rubbish survey


    http://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm CT1

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10472327 This one we discussed earlier


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    jh79
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    weisses wrote: »
    An online survey conducted which had roughly 675 people believe this CT and somehow that represents half of the US population ? rubbish survey


    http://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm CT1

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10472327 This one we discussed earlier

    Straight forward enough of the 6 would you be in agreement with any?

    Don't take it so personal it is only meant to generate a bit of a discussion


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    weisses
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    jh79 wrote: »
    Straight forward enough of the 6 would you be in agreement with any?

    Don't take it so personal it is only meant to generate a bit of a discussion

    Ohh I dont take it personal I do however have my reservations with this survey

    Specially because there are actual medical conspiracies out there

    There is so much money and various interests involved in medicine it would be vey naive to think there are no conspiracies going on ...


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    jh79
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    weisses wrote: »
    Ohh I dont take it personal I do however have my reservations with this survey

    Specially because there are actual medical conspiracies out there

    There is so much money and various interests involved in medicine it would be vey naive to think there are no conspiracies going on ...

    But it is the 6 referenced CT's that make it interesting. Nobody should believe these yet they do.


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    weisses
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    jh79 wrote: »
    But it is the 6 referenced CT's that make it interesting. Nobody should believe these yet they do.

    I dont like the wording of the questions ... You know my stance on fluoride .. But even I don't believe this one.. same goes for GM

    I wonder is there a hidden agenda with the wording of these questions


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    jh79
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    weisses wrote: »
    I dont like the wording of the questions ... You know my stance on fluoride .. But even I don't believe this one.. same goes for GM

    I wonder is there a hidden agenda with the wording of these questions

    Well if there were reasonable theories it wouldn't be interesting that a high % believe in them.

    What about cancer cures and the fda or vaccines? Would you subscribe to any of the 6?


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    Torakx
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    the Food and Drug Administration is keeping "natural cures for cancer and other diseases" away from the public because of "pressure from drug companies.
    I think this has at least a grain of truth. It is fairly well known I believe that the drug corporations have been attempting to synthesize cannabinoids or THC to use for various treatments and have failed in many cases to effectively recreate the natural medicine.

    I vaguely remember reading about one and that the test subjects experienced depression and similar negative effects.
    Maybe they are making some headway, as it is slowly being legalized.

    Now they have discovered in tests that cannabis can help corrupted cells die safely and has been shown to stoptumors growing and in some cases reduce them.
    theyhave successfully injected it directly into brain tumors and observed the tumors reduce or ..whatever the word is for stagnate or stop growing.. Its late lol

    I think this has been suspected for a long time and probably known for a long time. I mean people have been using it for epilepsy many years now... These incedibly rich corporations and governments are certainly not so ignorant that theycouldn't figure out what many people have known for years and maybe decades.

    With regards to the rest of those theories I am either not taking a side or I lean in the direction of being cautious.
    I remember seeing years ago a doctor thatwas interviewed whokept his mobile in his shirt pocket at his chest. He appeared tohave developed a tumor at that place and put it down to the phone.
    I have a friend working with MRI who says that magnetic frequencies will not cause cells to be damaged.
    It lines up the atoms polarizing them. But at the same time I don't believe that science has everything figured out yet either.
    The MRI relies on hydrated cells IIRC. what if a person is very dehydrated? Just thought of that now though.
    Again it's late and i haven't slept in a while, could be remembering the MRI stuff all wrong..


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    jh79
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    https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/medical-marijuana-as-the-new-herbalism-part-1-the-politics-of-weed-versus-science/

    https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/medical-marijuana-as-the-new-herbalism-part-2-cannabis-does-not-cure-cancer/

    Like all herbs it will never provide a cure in its natural state but will provide future customers to big pharma due to increased risks of cancer / psychosis .

    A study on breast cancer found that the amount of cannabis needed to give a significant anti-proliferative effect was equivalent to smoking 1000 joints a day!


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    weisses
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    Interesting piece on Broccoli as a super food on Channel 4 ... suggested to him by his doctor and now his tumor is gone


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    jh79
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    weisses wrote: »
    Interesting piece on Broccoli as a super food on Channel 4 ... suggested to him by his doctor and now his tumor is gone

    Meant to watch it and then forget, turned it on just as they finished up on broccoli.

    Was there any scientific evidence to support this mentioned on the show?


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    jh79
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    The naturopath was some chancer, 80 quid! How do people get taken in by such nonsense.


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    Torakx
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    What type of cancer was it?
    I had an ulcer recently and juicing green cabbage made a massive difference, right from day one. It has a lot of glutamine apparently, which helps rebuild damaged tissue.
    The regular medication for such a thing i think is medications to lower stomach acid (Nexium was what I was given years ago), which destroys the stomach and throat, known to cause cancer eventually.
    I wonder if broccolli has the same effect.


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    weisses
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    It was prostate Cancer that kept returning


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    jh79
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    The compound of interest is sulforaphane. The doses required would exceed that found in broccoli but it does give possibilities for a supplement or synthetic alternative.

    http://www.cancernetwork.com/prostate-cancer/asco-sulforaphane-prostate-cancer-found-worthy-further-investigation


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    weisses
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    jh79 wrote: »
    The compound of interest is sulforaphane. The doses required would exceed that found in broccoli but it does give possibilities for a supplement or synthetic alternative.

    http://www.cancernetwork.com/prostate-cancer/asco-sulforaphane-prostate-cancer-found-worthy-further-investigation

    He had Broccoli every day and the Tumor shrunk .. Other medication/treatment did only work for a while and then the tumor came back It was his specialist who suggested eating loads of Broccoli .... Seem to be beneficial


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    jh79
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    weisses wrote: »
    He had Broccoli every day and the Tumor shrunk .. Other medication/treatment did only work for a while and then the tumor came back It was his specialist who suggested eating loads of Broccoli .... Seem to be beneficial

    100% effective so!

    Seriously though confirmation bias etc.

    Did he continue with his normal treatment too?


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    weisses
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    jh79 wrote: »
    100% effective so!

    Seriously though confirmation bias etc.

    Did he continue with his normal treatment too?

    Just watch the episode listen to the oncologist and form your opinion then


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    jh79
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    weisses wrote: »
    Just watch the episode listen to the oncologist and form your opinion then

    Will do, but it is anecdotal evidence right?There was no actual study?


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    weisses
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    jh79 wrote: »
    Will do, but it is anecdotal evidence right?There was no actual study?

    Ohh they need loads of research done to fully confirm this yes


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    jh79
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    weisses wrote: »
    Ohh they need loads of research done to fully confirm this yes

    Just watched it , years of radio and chemo followed by hormone based drugs and broccoli soup and the soup gets all the credit!

    They finish the segment with a warning not to read too much into this!


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    weisses
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    jh79 wrote: »
    Just watched it , years of radio and chemo followed by hormone based drugs and broccoli soup and the soup gets all the credit!

    They finish the segment with a warning not to read too much into this!

    So the oncologist could have told him to get chicken soup instead ? ... Its a scam i tell you even the "professionals" are in on it


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    jh79
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    weisses wrote: »
    So the oncologist could have told him to get chicken soup instead ? ... Its a scam i tell you even the "professionals" are in it

    The patient suggested broccoli.

    How can you tell it was the broccoli as opposed to the treatment regime already undertaken or the hormone based treatment he took at the same time as the broccoli?

    Bottom line is it could just be a coincidence.

    He also could of changed to a different brand of toothpaste around this time and this would be just as plausible an explanation.

    The folly of this kind of reasoning was covered in one of the other thread about cancer cures i think. (Science Based Medicine )

    These wacky treatments are always done out of desperation at the end of a grueling treatment regimes which by the time the patient decides to try something different the treatment has already worked . Now if they waited 6 months or more then it would be somewhat interesting.


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    jh79
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    weisses wrote: »
    So the oncologist could have told him to get chicken soup instead ? ... Its a scam i tell you even the "professionals" are in on it

    The oncologist said nothing controversial and they warned the viewer that this did not mean it cured cancer.


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    weisses
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    10 years ago he started chemo the 2 bursts of radio therapy but it kept coming back

    the only thing he still used the Hormone therapy but Used by itself, hormone therapy won’t cure the cancer, but it can keep it under control, sometimes for several years.

    And the ct scan showed the tumor to be gone


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    weisses
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    jh79 wrote: »
    The oncologist said nothing controversial and they warned the viewer that this did not mean it cured cancer.

    of course he wouldn't ..World is full with disclaimers


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    jh79
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    weisses wrote: »
    10 years ago he started chemo the 2 bursts of radio therapy but it kept coming back

    the only thing he still used the Hormone therapy but Used by itself, hormone therapy won’t cure the cancer, but it can keep it under control, sometimes for several years.

    And the ct scan showed the tumor to be gone

    So prostate cancer is now cured?


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    weisses
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    jh79 wrote: »
    So prostate cancer is now cured?

    Tumor was gone with that patient ..as the CT showed


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