Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

Hermy

Mick Tator wrote: »

‘of Mich. Tiernan and Mary Tiernan.’ ??

I think you might be right - first letter's a T rather than a G.

spurious

I thought the father was Geeran.

montgo

Thanks spurious for your input. I was looking for a William Guerin (many spelling variations) born c1824 so was hoping that this could be his baptism. I'll note it as a possibility.
Thanks all for your assistance.

VirginiaB

Hello everyone, Can anyone figure out the last name of the male witness to this marriage? Marriage is Martin Herrick to Ann Morris, parish of Eglish, Co Kings/Offaly on 6 February 1834. It looks like Jas. ??? Right side of image, about a third of the way down the page. Thanks.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635152#page/10/mode/1up

Hermy

Looks to me like James K___y or R___y so maybe Kenny?

Mick Tator

Rainy? I believe the initial letter is an R

Deja Boo

similar to a few below ? Riley ?

similar to the one above ? Kennedy ?

BowWow

My initial thought was Neary, but would agree that first letter is "R".

New Home

I think that's a K. There's a name a couple of lines above that that looks like Kennedy, plus there are two capital Rs at the top of the page on the right hand side. If it's an R, it looks a lot different to the capital Ps in the page - usually people's Ps and Rs are quite similar. Also, fourth from the bottom there's a Denis Roach (unless I'm mistaken).

VirginiaB

Thanks everyone. Good observations but still a bit of a mystery. I appreciate your input.

louis346789

Hi Hermy
Thank you. I have added the link.
Louis

pinkypinky

Guys - lot of speculation here. Please keep this thread for just handwriting help.
If you want us to split off for further discussion, just ask me or Hermy.

New Home

Sorry pinkypinky.

stutoken

Hi everyone,

Have spent the past few weeks researching ancestors and currently struggling with a RC mariage record. Have found the threads in the Genealogy section very helpful in guiding me on my initial searches so thanks for all the useful information and I hope to get invlved with the forum as my seach continues as I have found it very interesting so far.

I am looking at entry 768 for John Christley / Chritchley and Anne Dunne married in Balbriggan 16th July 1877 -

*I tried to post link to NLI site but not permitted as I am new used*

This leg of family tree has been one of the more difficult to trace due to the variations in the spelling of the name Christley. I've found documents with at least 5 different variations of surname spelling for just the one person.

From civil record of this marriage the fathers' names are listed as Robert 'Critchley' and John Dunne.
The 1901 census return for John and Anne Christly have John's birthplace listed as Co. Meath.

Can anyone make out the names recorded for parents on the church marriage record and the home place for Robert Chritchley. It looks like 'oyne' at end of placename so I'm currently checking for palcenames with that ending in Co.Meath and have found Dunboyne, Kilboyne and Balrathboyne.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

ath262

NLI link for the above marriage - see entry 768

could the grooms parents residence be Skryne (County Meath) ?

ath262

bride's mother Christina Fagan ? not sure about his now, theres some sort of writing before the ch

grooms mother's surname looks like Critchley or similar, firstname maybe Johanna ...

stutoken

Skryne looks like a good match. I'll check church records in that area if available later.
Fagan also looks right for bride's mother. Will give me another avenue to search.
When I started this a few weeks ago I got the bones of family tree pulled together with civil searches pretty quickly but didn't realise how much effort the church records would take to flesh it out fully.
Enjoying it though even if it does keep me up to all hours at night when I get drawn down a records rabbit hole.
Thanks for your help.

stutoken

Skryne is correct. Found John Christly's baptism record in 1843. Mother is listed as Jane Christly.

stutoken

Hi,


Another placename I'm having difficuly with in Clane Parish, Co. Kildare



I'm looking at baptism record for Simon Dunne of Charles & Kitty Dunne dated 27 April 1834


https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634561#page/19/mode/1up


Placename is Mount .........


Anyone any ideas?


Thanks

spurious

Armstrong?

A New earth

Yes Mountarmstrong

https://www.townlands.ie/kildare/ikeathy-and-oughterany/mainham/balraheen/mountarmstrong/

stutoken

Thanks

Barney224

Looking to confirm the profession of Charles Rodgers (father of John Rodgers) in the last section here. Is it Teacher?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11387/8181092.pdf

A New earth

I would guess Trader

ath262

Barney224 wrote: »

Looking to confirm the profession of Charles Rodgers (father of John Rodgers) in the last section here. Is it Teacher?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11387/8181092.pdf

looks like Trader to me

New Home

It's a coin toss between teacher and trader, to me.

Hermy

For me it's trader.

spurious

Trader here too.
I have more commonly seen teacher with some sort of qualifier, like 'school teacher' or 'national teacher'.

Barney224

Thanks for info. Is Trader not a bit vague? Was it normal to have a job title of Trader in those days? What would a trader have done?

Mick Tator

Barney224 wrote: »

Thanks for info. Is Trader not a bit vague? Was it normal to have a job title of Trader in those days? What would a trader have done?

I’ve always understood that by the Victorian era there was a 'hierarchy' which was roughly applied –


Hawker............. sold goods from a basket or tray while 'on the move'.
Costermonger ....sold goods (mainly fruit) from a barrow or stall.
Fishmonger.........sold fish as above
Trader...............sold goods from a fixed stall or stand.
Shopkeeper........sold from a leased or owned retail premises
Merchant...........large retailer/wholesaler with sizable premises and operation.