Bloated salaries at 2fm

qweerty

total former wrote: »

But by that logic, 2fm wouldn't have lost any listeners when Tubridy replaced Ryan, and Pat Kenny would have the same audience now as he had at RTE.

She's enormously popular, I'm not sure why that's a contentious point.

No, your argument requires that.

Murt10

total former wrote: »

What a bitter, nasty, pointless post.

Angry and bitter at having to pay a licence fee of E160 pa for station that is paying their fatcat staff far far in excess of what they are worth.

That's E3 odd a week to keep these "stars" in the lifestyle that they have become accustomed to.

They are earning many multiples of what people like me are earning for a full 40 hour week. It's like a reverse charity. Take money off the poor to give to the super rich. I'd feel even more annoyed if I was trying to survive on social welfare of E188 per week and had to pay the E3 odd every week out of this.

I'm dying to see what happens when Kenny's contract is up for renewal with Newstalk. He didn't bring in the listeners he promised, so he will certainly be facing a (hopefully) huge wage drop. I can see him putting out more feelers and trying to ingratiate himself with his former employers and get back to the type of money he feels he is worth (LOL)

And doesn't he need every cent he can get. After being hit with the legal costs for trying to steal his neighbors land in Dalkey, claiming squatters rights. The neighbor who had initially granted him, access to the land as a favour, and he repays that kindness by trying to steal it.

I'm glad I don't live anywhere near him.

And while I'm at it, I remember Gerry Ryan looking for a pay increase which we later found out was so that he could settle his massive cocaine bill with his dealer. Having said that, I'm told that the audience for his programme has fallen off a cliff since he died.

Back on topic, if 2FM is losing money then it's time that they all had a wage cut until the losses stop. I havn't listened to 2fm in years and wouldn't even know how to tune it in.

They were slow coming to the market, the pirate stations beat them to it. They are now unneeded overpaid dinosaurs trying to justify their existence. The local stations are what people are listening to

Time that station was closed down

The Big Kahuna4

OP where did you get these figures? Ive never read them anywhere in print before.

Did you apply for them via the Freedom Of Information Act?

L1011

total former wrote: »

But by that logic, 2fm wouldn't have lost any listeners when Tubridy replaced Ryan, and Pat Kenny would have the same audience now as he had at RTE.

She's enormously popular, I'm not sure why that's a contentious point.

No, it wouldn't, you've got your logic backwards there. It would have required that O'Rourke would have retained the bulk of the audience - and he did.

Gerry Ryan's show was hugely, vastly personality based - more so than any other on RTE at all. Finucanes is not.

end of the road

Murt10 wrote: »

Angry and bitter at having to pay a licence fee of E160 pa for station that is paying their fatcat staff far far in excess of what they are worth.

That's E3 odd a week to keep these "stars" in the lifestyle that they have become accustomed to.

They are earning many multiples of what people like me are earning for a full 40 hour week. It's like a reverse charity. Take money off the poor to give to the super rich. I'd feel even more annoyed if I was trying to survive on social welfare of E188 per week and had to pay the E3 odd every week out of this.

I'm dying to see what happens when Kenny's contract is up for renewal with Newstalk. He didn't bring in the listeners he promised, so he will certainly be facing a (hopefully) huge wage drop. I can see him putting out more feelers and trying to ingratiate himself with his former employers and get back to the type of money he feels he is worth (LOL)

And doesn't he need every cent he can get. After being hit with the legal costs for trying to steal his neighbors land in Dalkey, claiming squatters rights. The neighbor who had initially granted him, access to the land as a favour, and he repays that kindness by trying to steal it.

I'm glad I don't live anywhere near him.

And while I'm at it, I remember Gerry Ryan looking for a pay increase which we later found out was so that he could settle his massive cocaine bill with his dealer. Having said that, I'm told that the audience for his programme has fallen off a cliff since he died.

Back on topic, if 2FM is losing money then it's time that they all had a wage cut until the losses stop. I havn't listened to 2fm in years and wouldn't even know how to tune it in.

They were slow coming to the market, the pirate stations beat them to it. They are now unneeded overpaid dinosaurs trying to justify their existence. The local stations are what people are listening to

Time that station was closed down

more bitter old rabel rabel. you would still be paying the same whatever the staff were payed. its not time 2fm was closed at all. it just needs good management with the freedom for that management to make decisians. national broadcasters will get a larger wage then those on regional and local radio. its the same in every country. get over it

Murt10

end of the road wrote: »

its not time 2fm was closed at all. it just needs good management with the freedom for that management to make decisians. national broadcasters will get a larger wage then those on regional and local radio. its the same in every country. get over it

I have no problem with national broadcasters getting higher salaries than those presenting on local or regional stations. They have much bigger audiences (or at least they should have). Today FM and Newstalk are national stations, but their salaries are nowhere near those paid by RTE, with the exception of Kenny, and we will see (well we probably won't - commercially sensitive and all that guff) when his contract comes up for renewal, that he is going to have to take a massive pay cut, unless he can worm his way back to the Mother Ship, before that happens.

I do object to is 2FM being kept alive on a subsidy from the taxpayer - ME. I resent being forced to pay for it and not getting anything out of it. It's a flop. It is a commercial station that is being heavily subsidised and it's still losing money.

If people stop listening to the other commercial radio stations, they lose money and close down, which is as it should be.

I can honestly say that I don't know anyone in the 15-30 age group who listens to 2FM. These are tech savvy people and are all now listening to music that they have downloaded themselves.

They are not interested in what some boring old fart from 2FM has to say and they would prefer to listen to songs that they choose, rather than listening to what the DJ thinks they should be listening to.

The world has moved on. Get over it yourself.

end of the road

Murt10 wrote: »

I have no problem with national broadcasters getting higher salaries than those presenting on local or regional stations. They have much bigger audiences (or at least they should have). Today FM and Newstalk are national stations, but their salaries are nowhere near those paid by RTE, with the exception of Kenny, and we will see (well we probably won't - commercially sensitive and all that guff) when his contract comes up for renewal, that he is going to have to take a massive pay cut, unless he can worm his way back to the Mother Ship, before that happens.

I do object to is 2FM being kept alive on a subsidy from the taxpayer - ME. I resent being forced to pay for it and not getting anything out of it. It's a flop. It is a commercial station that is being heavily subsidised and it's still losing money.

If people stop listening to the other commercial radio stations, they lose money and close down, which is as it should be.

I can honestly say that I don't know anyone in the 15-30 age group who listens to 2FM. These are tech savvy people and are all now listening to music that they have downloaded themselves.

They are not interested in what some boring old fart from 2FM has to say and they would prefer to listen to songs that they choose, rather than listening to what the DJ thinks they should be listening to.

The world has moved on. Get over it yourself.

i have nothing to get over.

Sunflower 27

end of the road wrote: »

for a national station, yes they are

Sorry, they most definitely are not worth this. This is Ireland, not the US. What is their listenership exactly?

4 hours a week and on 55k. Total madness. They aren't brain surgeons, not even remotely close. This puts them on 264e an hour.

You seem very defensive about this. Are you in the industry or know them? Just curious.

end of the road

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Sorry, they most definitely are not worth this. This is Ireland, not the US. What is their listenership exactly?

4 hours a week and on 55k. Total madness. They aren't brain surgeons, not even remotely close. This puts them on 264e an hour.

You seem very defensive about this. Are you in the industry or know them? Just curious.

55k and up is a reasonable rate for a national broadcaster. i have nothing to do with the industry, something that one doesn't need to have to realize why one gets the wage they do.

wnolan1992

Can we stop with the "€X for 4 hours!?!" nonsense?

Hours On Air Per Week =/= Hours of Work Per Week

No doubt they are overpaid, but equating the two makes people seem very silly indeed.

Sunflower 27

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Can we stop with the "€X for 4 hours!?!" nonsense?

Hours On Air Per Week =/= Hours of Work Per Week

No doubt they are overpaid, but equating the two makes people seem very silly indeed.

It isn't silly at all. You think they do all their research themselves?

Sunflower 27

end of the road wrote: »

55k and up is a reasonable rate for a national broadcaster. i have nothing to do with the industry, something that one doesn't need to have to realize why one gets the wage they do.

One does not. I agree. Still ludicrous.

end of the road

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

One does not. I agree. Still ludicrous.

no, its the going rate

Fuzzy Clam

end of the road wrote: »

no, its the going rate

Its the going rate based on what?
Not by what other nationals are paying here.

wnolan1992

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

It isn't silly at all. You think they do all their research themselves?

With the possible exception of Marion Finucane, I believe a lot do a fair chunk themselves, yes.

mikom

wnolan1992 wrote: »

With the possible exception of Marion Finucane, I believe a lot do a fair chunk themselves, yes.

She has a minimum of two research staff who are mentioned at the tail end of each show.
Wanna know the kicker.............. they are paid by RTE via the licence fee....... seperate from Marian's wage.
The researchers work for RTE, not Marian Finucane.
Wages on top of mega bucks wages.

Sunflower 27

wnolan1992 wrote: »

With the possible exception of Marion Finucane, I believe a lot do a fair chunk themselves, yes.

Can I ask how you know this?

Are you suggesting that they go into the radio station during the week and put in hours outside of the weekend air time that they are paid to be there?

wnolan1992

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Can I ask how you know this?

Are you suggesting that they go into the radio station during the week and put in hours outside of the weekend air time that they are paid to be there?

I don't know it, but I feel it's pretty reasonable to assume they do other work for the station, such as VO work and production. Not to mention shows like Dave Fannings would require a fair bit of prep work in terms of setting up and preparing for interviews, prerecording stuff if necessary, editing packages to go out on air, etc, etc. There would also be production meetings to attend and the like.

It's wholly possible they do none of this, but I'm choosing to believe people like Dave Fanning do this stuff because they come across as having a genuine love for radio.

And I think people by and large compare air time to hours worked too often. They're not the same thing.

Enjoy Heroin Responsibly

Murt10 wrote: »

They were slow coming to the market, the pirate stations beat them to it.

To be fair to RTE (and normally Id be the last to defend them) RTE were forced to wait for over two years to get ministerial approval to set up Radio 2/2FM and had to wait several more years for ministerial approval to broadcast for 24 hours.

Patently ludicrous but that's the way things worked (or didn't) back then

The Big Kahuna4

Id still like to know where the OP got these figures from. The whole thread is based on them and it should be closed if he/she cant answer that question.