Overreacting or the right thing to do.

kjl

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSiqfM2GR4E

So this was posted on reddit and the general consensus is that the officer made the right decision. I personally think they did a terrible job here.

The guy basically stole beer from walmart and went into the toilet of an applebee's to hide out, the gun he was carrying was a airsoft bb gun, non lethal.

I think they should have searched him and handcuffed him inside the restaurant. The guy didn't take aim and appears to be attempting to run rather than shoot his way out. Listen to the hysterical in the female officer's voice, this is hardly calm and really show this woman has little to no training for these kind of situations.

If this was Ireland, and even if it was a real gun, the guy would have been handcuffed and if he wasn't he would have a few battons on the head, but he would be alive.

I think the guy is a bit of an idiot, but did he deserve to die? I don't think so.

suicide_circus

You cannot whip out a gun beside armed officers who are questioning you

Yellowblackbird

it's an airsoft gun if he is with his pals at some range or airsoft club.
In a situation like this it becomes an imitation firearm
Not a good idea unless he was looking for death by cop suicide

SEPT 23 1989

how were the cops meant to know it was fake in that split second?

Canis Lupus

The guy pulled a freaking gun, BB or not is irrelevant, next to armed police officers.. Who are you trying to troll here?

bucketybuck

Watching the video it sure looks like a gun to me.

Its an airsoft gun? If you say so. I know if I was arresting a guy and he suddenly pulled that out and tried to point it at me I'd assume it was a real gun too.

Why on earth would the guy even take that out of his pocket?

NachoBusiness

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

how were the cops meant to know it was fake in that split second?

Yeah, it's far different than the Tamir Rice (12-year-old boy with killed that had a BB gun in Cleveland) as there was no time to really think here.

Sad, but the shooting was justifiable in my view.

Vowel Movement

What a dumb ass, pulling out a gun real or fake is looking for trouble.

RobbieTheRobber

AMERICA
**** yeah!

MathDebater

He pulled a gun(or what they perceived to be a gun) on two officers and turned around to face them whilst raising the weapon. They shot him in self defence. Anyone who says that they would do differently in that situation and who tries to lay blame on the two cops for this is a liar.

gandalf

He pulled what looked like a real gun. He pulled it on armed officers. There is no way they could determine from what I saw in that video that the gun was fake. They were perfectly within their rights to defend themselves.

Magico Gonzalez

No way I'm watching that video, but if he pulled what looks like a gun then the end result is inevitable.

That said, if he was in a confined space then surely some sort of negotiation should have taken place? Sounds like he had mental health issues tbh.

Tragic.

frozenfrozen

'suicide by cop'

Red Kev

His own fault TBH. Especially as an American he should known its a stupid thing to do.

Thought the female officer was fine. She isn't hysterical, just the result of a huge adrenalin burst after shooting the man and probably for a second or two thinking she's about to be shot herself.

pmasterson95

'Murica
#Freedom
#Gunssavelives

Michael D Not Higgins

kjl wrote: »

Listen to the hysterical in the female officer's voice, this is hardly calm and really show this woman has little to no training for these kind of situations.

This is nonsense. She alerted her partner, drew her weapon and fired just as she was trained.

Mesrine65

'When in doubt...take the fooker out' :eek:

Self defence = self preservation

Pumpkinseeds

Not ANOTHER all American cops are racists and scumbags who want to kill people thread. I'm all out of give a fcuk.:rolleyes:

Boring username

Something something generic anti-American anti-cop armchair warrior brain vomit and thank whoring statement. There, that'll save everyone the bother. Don't forget to give me a pat on the back and lots of thanks.

osarusan

I'd wonder why he wasn't searched/frisked as soon as possible, but maybe there are good reasons for bringing him outside first, I don't know (get him away from as many people as possible?).

Why not handcuff as soon as safely possible him though? (and it looked safe in the toilet)

But once he pulled the gun it was all over. He must have known as much himself, surely.

inforfun

3 days ago a guy in The Hague dies while being arrested in The Netherlands, rioting going on for days now.
Not a peep on boards (or Irish media for that matter).

Idiot thief pulls (fake) gun in The USA and faces the consequences and here we are, another thread to have a go at The USA.
What is the obsession with The USA?

(dont come out with: Well, open your own thread about The Hague. I will not.)

bucketybuck

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

No way I'm watching that video, but if he pulled what looks like a gun then the end result is inevitable.

That said, if he was in a confined space then surely some sort of negotiation should have taken place? Sounds like he had mental health issues tbh.

Tragic.

The video starts in the toilets. The 3 of them, one cop in front the other behind, calmly walk all the way through the restaurant and out into the parking lot. As they step outside the female cop asks if the guy has any ID. He doesn't answer, but instead pulls what clearly looks on the video to be a gun and turns towards her. The other cop grabs him and pushes him out into the car park, then shots are fired.

fullstop

Got what he deserved, what a fool.

The Adversary

Nah, he was tased and incapacitated on the ground and then they decided to shoot him.

'Merica

Kev W

inforfun wrote: »

(dont come out with: Well, open your own thread about The Hague. I will not.)

Then you don't get to complain that nobody else did.

Captain Chaos

The Adversary wrote: »

Nah, he was tased and incapacitated on the ground and then they decided to shoot him.

'Merica

This exactly, he was tasered, took a bit to hit the ground and then they shot him. My as well have not bothered with the taser at all and just shot him.

She was very quick on the draw with the taser, I'll giver her credit there.

end of the road

over reaction as per. wouldn't expect anything less from murika and the low standards they have for their police

end of the road

MathDebater wrote: »

He pulled a gun(or what they perceived to be a gun) on two officers and turned around to face them whilst raising the weapon. They shot him in self defence. Anyone who says that they would do differently in that situation and who tries to lay blame on the two cops for this is a liar.

they aren't liars.

fullstop

The Adversary wrote: »

Nah, he was tased and incapacitated on the ground and then they decided to shoot him.

'Merica

Captain Chaos wrote: »

This exactly, he was tasered, took a bit to hit the ground and then they shot him. My as well have not bothered with the taser at all and just shot him.

He was standing pointing a gun at them FFS!! One of them probably tried to taser while the other shot. He was shot before he hit the deck for sure.

Captain Chaos

fullstop wrote: »

He was standing pointing a gun at them FFS!! One of them probably tried to taser while the other shot. He was shot before he hit the deck for sure.

He was tasered, turned around, hit the ground, rolled over and was then shot 3 times in the back. The same cop tased had time to put it away and then she drew her gun and shot him 3 times.

daheff

whatever about him taking out the gun and the officer shooting initially, the part where she fires mutiple shots at somebody on the ground is (to pardon the phrase) overkill.

I can fully understand why the inital shots were fired, but once he hit the ground she should have stopped shooting. At the point of hitting the ground theres a chance (albeit probably small) that he wouldnt have died.

The volley of shots at a person facedown on the ground ensures he wont survive.

end of the road

Red Kev wrote: »

His own fault TBH. Especially as an American he should known its a stupid thing to do.

Thought the female officer was fine. She isn't hysterical, just the result of a huge adrenalin burst after shooting the man and probably for a second or two thinking she's about to be shot herself.

she is very hysterical and needs to be thrown out. she has no place, she is a liability

end of the road

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Not ANOTHER all American cops are racists and scumbags who want to kill people thread. I'm all out of give a fcuk.:rolleyes:

clearly not as you posted. you will care. and there is plenty of evidence to state a large number over there are racist and or scumbags. thats their own fault, not ours

bucketybuck

daheff wrote: »

whatever about him taking out the gun and the officer shooting initially, the part where she fires mutiple shots at somebody on the ground is (to pardon the phrase) overkill.

I can fully understand why the inital shots were fired, but once he hit the ground she should have stopped shooting. At the point of hitting the ground theres a chance (albeit probably small) that he wouldnt have died.

The volley of shots at a person facedown on the ground ensures he wont survive.

There is also the real possibility that the guy they know pulled a gun could still try to shoot at them from the ground. I doubt they are trained to take that chance.

Ben1994

The shooting after the taze is a bit much, but with alot of these incidents people defend the victims but what are the police to do? get shot first to make sure its a real gun?

bucketybuck

end of the road wrote: »

clearly not as you posted. you will care. and there is plenty of evidence to state a large number over there are racist and or scumbags. thats their own fault, not ours

You really are thread death.

frozenfrozen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXfUBZptZ9Q

Both perspectives

end of the road

fullstop wrote: »

Got what he deserved, what a fool.

not at all.

ohnonotgmail

daheff wrote: »

... At the point of hitting the ground theres a chance (albeit probably small) that he wouldnt have died.

and a chance (albeit small) that he is still capable of firing back.

there are only 8 seconds between the gun appearing and the last shot being fired.

Streetwalker

American cops pumped up on steroids and team America becomes trigger happy surprise.

fullstop

Captain Chaos wrote: »

He was tasered, turned around, hit the ground, rolled over and was then shot 3 times in the back. The same cop tased had time to put it away and then she drew her gun and shot him 3 times.

Nope, shooting starts on 51 seconds, same time as she drew the taser. Anyway, hardly matters does it? You point a gun at the police in the US and you know what's coming.

end of the road

bucketybuck wrote: »

You really are thread death.

i'm clearly not. the facts speak for themselves

ohnonotgmail

frozenfrozen wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXfUBZptZ9Q

Both perspectives

At what point does the taser get used that people are talking about? both officers fired their sidearm.

fullstop

frozenfrozen wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXfUBZptZ9Q

Both perspectives

I think that puts to bed the myth that he was already on the ground tasered when they started shooting.

Chemical Byrne

This is almost certainly a case of suicide by cop - steal alcohol to get the cops called then when the arrive pull a gun on them. Either that or he had mental health issues, or was just plain stupid. Nobody with a half functioning brain could deduce, nomatter the circumstances, that it was a good idea to draw a bb/as gun in the presence of 2 armed cops.

He was tazed severely but that is no guarantee he could not get off a round or 2 at them even from the ground. I think the officers were justified in their action. If I did what he did I couldn't reasonably expect to survive.

ohnonotgmail

Chemical Byrne wrote: »

This is almost certainly a case of suicide by cop - steal alcohol to get the cops called then when the arrive pull a gun on them. Either that or he had mental health issues, or was just plain stupid. Nobody with a half functioning brain could deduce, nomatter the circumstances, that it was a good idea to draw a bb/as gun in the presence of 2 armed cops.

He was tazed severely but that is no guarantee he could not get off a round or 2 at them even from the ground. I think the officers were justified in their action. If I did what he did I couldn't reasonably expect to survive.

again, at what point in the video was he tazed? both officers drew their sidearms

fullstop

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

At what point does the taser get used that people are talking about? both officers fired their sidearm.

The female officer uses a (yellow) taser first, while the male officer goes straight for his gun.

Raging_Ninja

Watched it. Seems like a 100% legit and reasonable use of force. Fraction of a second to react. People complaining about an hysterical reaction are talking through their hats.

Chemical Byrne

fullstop wrote: »

Nope, shooting starts on 51 seconds, same time as she drew the taser. Anyway, hardly matters does it? You point a gun at armed police in any country the US and you know what's coming.

FYP

I'd say the balance of opinion here is that this was a justified shooting dead or a man. I bet if the guy was a black there'd be a shítstorm of epic proportions on here.

ohnonotgmail

fullstop wrote: »

The female officer uses a (yellow) taser first, while the male officer goes straight for his gun.

ok i missed the flash of yellow on the taser. Did she actually fire it though? she dropped it in less than a second.

fullstop

Chemical Byrne wrote: »

FYP

Well not really in Ireland, except the ERU maybe.

Edit; just saw you added "armed"