switch or stick ? €200-€300 budget for device

tomaussie

Hi guys,

Brief update - I came on here two years ago and haven't smoked since.

I love my vaping but its starting to wear me down.

I use an eGo-twist battery with a Kanger T3 and I exclusively vape Nut Juice from Wingnuts.

Here is the problem - I'm utterly fed up with gurgling, leaking and inconsistent experience.

I will set up a new clearomizer with a new coil and briefly enjoy a nice clean airy vape. I use the word 'airy' as I love when it flows nice and easy. I hate when I have to use a 'slow hard suck' method to get a vape. It's getting to the stage where I might change my coil daily just to have a few hours of nice airy vaping.

I really want to find a solution. If money within reason, €200-€300, is no problem then what is the most hassle free vape device. Something I can load my nutjuice into (fnaar fnaar) and vape without a huge variance in quality. That simple - load in vape/juice and have a nice airy vape. I like it airy.

Please tell me there is a solution as I want to continue vaping without the hassle I'm currently experiencing.

JH_raheny

You have some patience using a crap setup like that for 2 years

I would recommend looking at the Subox mini kits that are out now or an iStick50w with either Kanger Subtanks or Eleaf lemo tanks if you don't mind building your own coils.
Been using a Kanger subtank plus for the last while and it have only leaked a bit once because of being shaken quite a bit in my motorcycle tank bag on way to work.

JH_raheny

Here's a link for the Subox

http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/subox.htm

Obviously you would need to buy at least a battery as well but I would recommend getting 2 or 3 and an external charger, it would be well within your budget anyway

tomaussie

JH_raheny wrote: »

You have some patience using a crap setup like that for 2 years

I would recommend looking at the Subox mini kits that are out now or an iStick50w with either Kanger Subtanks or Eleaf lemo tanks if you don't mind building your own coils.
Been using a Kanger subtank plus for the last while and it have only leaked a bit once because of being shaken quite a bit in my motorcycle tank bag on way to work.

I have loads of patience !!!

I wouldn't be into building anything. Out of the package and into action is the way I'd want it.

I also can't put anything metal into my mouth but that Kanger you've linked looks like a plastic mouthpiece so I'll research those a bit now.

Thanks for the input.

JH_raheny

If you can't put metal into your mouth you can always change the drip tip ( mouth piece ) you can do this on pretty much all tanks.
The one I linked to give you both the plug'n'play option and a rebuildable deck as well.

jonski

While I am personally a fan of the Sub Tank mentioned above by JH I have recently converted a few of my friends who were struggling with your kind of set up to the iStick and mini nautilus . It's just another option for you and it would tick the boxes you want ticked .

http://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/vv-mods/539-30w-eleaf-istick-full-kit.html

http://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/aspire-clearomizers/470-aspire-nautilus-mini.html


I think as we move on we have a tendency to forget how big a step up this was to the ego and basic clearomiser .

Trond

The GS Air tank could suit you perfectly OP. Its cheap as chips and the airflow can be adjusted to suit. Throw it on an istick and you'll see a world of difference.

The stock coils for the GS Air are far better than any of the Aspire of Kanger equivalents imo.

Grougy

Aspire Nautilius Mini + iStick 30w = perfect kit !!!

A loot of flavour, no leaking, no hassle...just change drip tip for some plastic/ceramic one. Battery enought for 1-2 days

EGriff

The full size nautilius fits perfect on the 30w iStick, if you're going that route you might as well get the 5ml tank, less filling.

That's what I'm using atm, only had the nautilius a day but so far so good.

tomaussie

Is my terminology of 'airy' and 'hard suck' understandable ?

I'm using my set up now and there is just no air flow. I have to 'take a pull' by sucking really slow and hard. Even then I'm getting a small amount of gurgling and very little vape.

Are any of the above suggestions a stand out 'airy' solution ?

EGriff

Yeah we know all about airflow around here :pac:

The kanger T3 is pretty old at this stage and it was never that good IMO, any of the many things recommended above will be light years ahead of it.

Some of the tanks have massive airflow (subtank, lemo 2) so much that you have to take the vapor straight into your lungs. Others like the nautilius and the GS air have slightly less (but still loads and adjustable) meaning you can do the traditional smoking inhale into your mouth and then into your lungs.

I think the subtank or lemo would be a bit too much of a jump from a T3, but I'm biased since I'm not gone on those tanks. A nautilius or GS air would be ideal for you I think.

The GS air is only a tenner http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/gsair16.htm

youdipstick

tomaussie wrote: »

Hi guys,

Brief update - I came on here two years ago and haven't smoked since.

I love my vaping but its starting to wear me down.

I use an eGo-twist battery with a Kanger T3 and I exclusively vape Nut Juice from Wingnuts.

Here is the problem - I'm utterly fed up with gurgling, leaking and inconsistent experience.

I will set up a new clearomizer with a new coil and briefly enjoy a nice clean airy vape. I use the word 'airy' as I love when it flows nice and easy. I hate when I have to use a 'slow hard suck' method to get a vape. It's getting to the stage where I might change my coil daily just to have a few hours of nice airy vaping.

I really want to find a solution. If money within reason, €200-€300, is no problem then what is the most hassle free vape device. Something I can load my nutjuice into (fnaar fnaar) and vape without a huge variance in quality. That simple - load in vape/juice and have a nice airy vape. I like it airy.

Please tell me there is a solution as I want to continue vaping without the hassle I'm currently experiencing.

Ok,here is my twopence worth,I bought this set-up here http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/evicvt.htm & I was amazed,this is my first temperature control mod,I have only been using it for nearly a week using the clearo that comes with it & using the Nickel coil,what a vape,I'm used to 6 or 7 second drags to get the flavour & the hit,this new mod set at 550 degrees F,60w power & using a 0.22 ohm coil,unbelievable vape with loads of clouds & taste is top notch,I now take 1 or 2 second drags using 6mg Nut juice along with other flavours I tried,temperature control is the future.

I would also agree with the other suggestions as well because I use all that was mentioned in the other posts above.

tomaussie

EGriff wrote: »

Yeah we know all about airflow around here :pac:

The kanger T3 is pretty old at this stage and it was never that good IMO, any of the many things recommended above will be light years ahead of it.

Some of the tanks have massive airflow (subtank, lemo 2) so much that you have to take the vapor straight into your lungs. Others like the nautilius and the GS air have slightly less (but still loads and adjustable) meaning you can do the traditional smoking inhale into your mouth and then into your lungs.

I think the subtank or lemo would be a bit too much of a jump from a T3, but I'm biased since I'm not gone on those tanks. A nautilius or GS air would be ideal for you I think.

The GS air is only a tenner http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/gsair16.htm

Interesting. Yeah I'd like the more traditional - mouth - take a pull - then inhale. Rather than any device that would be straight to lungs like a bong.

EGriff

youdipstick wrote: »

Ok,here is my twopence worth,I bought this set-up here http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/evicvt.htm & I was amazed,this is my first temperature control mod,I have only been using it for nearly a week using the clearo that comes with it & using the Nickel coil,what a vape,I'm used to 6 or 7 second drags to get the flavour & the hit,this new mod set at 550 degrees F,60w power & using a 0.22 ohm coil,unbelievable vape with loads of clouds & taste is top notch,I now take 1 or 2 second drags using 6mg Nut juice along with other flavours I tried,temperature control is the future.

I would also agree with the other suggestions as well because I use all that was mentioned in the other posts above.

Ah come on, straight from eGo twists and a T3 to a 60 Watt mod with temperature control? There's a few steps missing there, that yoke has more functions than a Japanese toilet :pac:.

tomaussie

Looks like I'm going with the istick and I'm putting a GS Air or Nautilus on top.

Looking forward to some hassle free vaping.

Only concern - I don't want a 'straight to lungs' vape. I want something more traditional. Which of the two tanks that I've mentioned are less bong like ?

youdipstick

EGriff wrote: »

Ah come on, straight from eGo twists and a T3 to a 60 Watt mod with temperature control? There's a few steps missing there, that yoke has more functions than a Japanese toilet :pac:.

I don't see much difference between an istick & a TC mod,it just has an up to date menu,anything an istick can do a VT can do better with extra's,I have tried a T3s,iclear 30,30s,GS Air,Nautilus & doing mouth to lung with all these clearo's & the menu system using watts only is easier to use than the istick & that is just a small part of this mod,TC can come later to the user,it's there if you want it,vaping hardware moves extremely fast in our World,years don't come into it,everything is obsolete within a few weeks now,so why not pay a little extra & have your hands on a tool which will match any device in the future & I'm talking about all good TC mods.
A lot of us have said,why buy an istick 30,pay a little extra & get an istick 50,which I totally agree,why not,better battery life & better improvements to change your vaping experiences.
All these reviewers videos can scare newish & some old vapors away with showing everything about a device in just 15 or 30 minutes & it mesmerizes everybody into thinking that it looks too complicated,but it isn't,jumping from an ego too something better is wrong,I wish to fukc that I had that choice at the time,I wish I had 10 of these in my en suite instead of 10 Ego C Twists:D:D:D this is no reflection on your opinions,everybody is entitled to their own,but the old saying is,don't knock it til you've tried it.

Trond

tomaussie wrote: »

Looks like I'm going with the istick and I'm putting a GS Air or Nautilus on top.

Looking forward to some hassle free vaping.

Only concern - I don't want a 'straight to lungs' vape. I want something more traditional. Which of the two tanks that I've mentioned are less bong like ?

Both are designed for mouth to lung. The GS Air can be vaped at a higher temp than the mini Nautilus (up to 20w compared to up to 14w).

The main difference for me would be the coils in the GS. They are fantastic imo.

tomaussie

I'm confused as a mo of now.

Was going to buy the istick50 and GS air today but now I'm thinking of going to the next stage and buying the Joyetech evic VT.

I'd go with the evic but the fact it has two different atomisers is confusing me.

Need to do a few more days research I think.

Am i right in thinking there is no point going with the istick50 if the GS air tank only handles 20 watts ?

youdipstick

tomaussie wrote: »

I'm confused as a mo of now.

Was going to buy the istick50 and GS air today but now I'm thinking of going to the next stage and buying the Joyetech evic VT.

I'd go with the evic but the fact it has two different atomisers is confusing me.

Need to do a few more days research I think.

Am i right in thinking there is no point going with the istick50 if the GS air tank only handles 20 watts ?

The istick 50 will handle all Kanthal built coils,I can here you say,what the fukc is Kanthal,there are different types of wire to make a coil,the most popular wires are Kanthal which works well with Power(watts) only(like all the isticks) and the Evic-VT.

The next wire is called Nickel,a very low resistance wire & works only with mods that have Temperature Control(TC),like the Evic-VT.

The next wire is called Titanium,a low resistance wire but not as low as Nickel & it will only work with mods that have Temperature Control(TC),like the Evic-VT.

You are asking about the two coils that come with the Evic-VT,one is Nickel & the other is Titanium.The Evic-VT is the only TC mod that can handle Titanium but the most used TC wire is Nickel,Nickel will work with all TC mods,so I tend to build coils with Nickel wire to work on all my TC mods.

The Evic-VT will work with all the coils mentioned above,the biggest reason that I use a TC mod is that it will never burn your coil or wick & will never give you a dry hit using Nickel/Titanium with temperature (especially when using an rda or an rta) The other reasons is that it can do everything that other mods can do,an all in one device with a great battery life as well.It also comes with the Ego Mega One Clearo,that on it's own is worth €30,so the Evic is only €50 to €60,great deal I thought.


Your Question...Am i right in thinking there is no point going with the istick50 if the GS air tank only handles 20 watts ?

There is a point,the istick 50 not only works with the GS Air (up to 20w) but other devices like RDA's (dripping) that need 30,40 or 50w to run it properly & other clearo's like a Subtank mini that needs up to 35w to run it.
So the point is,the istick 50 will work with anything that has Kanthal coils.

Hope this helps you.

tomaussie

Thanks for the explanation.

tomaussie

Going to go with the istick50 and GS air tank.

The evic looks a tad too new to the market to understand the concerns.

tomaussie

Can't source the GS air here.

Which of the Aspire work best with the istick 50 ?

youdipstick

tomaussie wrote: »

Can't source the GS air here.

Which of the Aspire work best with the istick 50 ?

If you buy from this Vendor,use the code "irishvape" for 10% off & free shipping over €60.

http://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/vv-mods/551-50w-eleaf-istick-full-kit.html

http://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/aspire-clearomizers/470-aspire-nautilus-mini.html

http://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/clearomizers/469-aspire-nautilus-bvc-replacement-coil-head.html

you wont go wrong with this set-up & get 3 or 4 coils,1.6 ohms.

youdipstick

tomaussie wrote: »

Can't source the GS air here.

Which of the Aspire work best with the istick 50 ?

Here is another Vendor but no discount code as far as I know,free shipping..
This is with the GS Air...

http://e-cigaretteshop.eu/en/mods/516-istick-50w-sub-ohm-.html

http://e-cigaretteshop.eu/en/clearomizers/480-i-smoka-gs-air-20-w.html

tomaussie

youdipstick wrote: »

If you buy from this Vendor,use the code "irishvape" for 10% off & free shipping over €60.

http://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/vv-mods/551-50w-eleaf-istick-full-kit.html

http://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/aspire-clearomizers/470-aspire-nautilus-mini.html

http://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/clearomizers/469-aspire-nautilus-bvc-replacement-coil-head.html

you wont go wrong with this set-up & get 3 or 4 coils,1.6 ohms.

Am i right in thinking that the Nautilus mini coil has two types ? One being the vertical coil ? Or have I got confused while researching ?

youdipstick

tomaussie wrote: »

Am i right in thinking that the Nautilus mini coil has two types ? One being the vertical coil ? Or have I got confused while researching ?

The first nautilus coil was a BDC (bottom dual coil/schit) & then Aspire brought out the BVC (bottom vertical coil/excellent) that's the one I have linked above.

This other BVC coil is not for the Nautilus,it's for other BDC Clearo's...
http://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/clearomizers/485-aspire-bvc-replacement-heads.html

youdipstick

If you decide on the istick 50,I would recommend a silicone sleeve,the istick can be a bit slippery if you have sweaty hands or arthritis like me,they are great when you are out & about...

http://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/accessories/585-silicone-case-for-eleaf-istick-50w.html

tomaussie

Thanks for all the info lads.

I'll be ordering today.

Devastated I've waited this long. I just didn't know there had been progress. I'll be glad to see the back of the T3's but I suppose without them I'd still be smoking.

Again, thanks for the info. It's been much needed.

youdipstick

tomaussie wrote: »

Thanks for all the info lads.

I'll be ordering today.

Devastated I've waited this long. I just didn't know there had been progress. I'll be glad to see the back of the T3's but I suppose without them I'd still be smoking.

Again, thanks for the info. It's been much needed.

Progress is moving very fast these days,we need to think ahead on what we buy.
I still use the T3s & I love the tight draw,we were able to dry burn the coils & make them last a lot longer,makes a change to lung hits,there is new coils for the T3s http://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/clearomizers/600-kanger-tocc-single-coil-replacement-head.html which have cotton now,never tried them yet,but I will.
Good luck with your new set-up when you get it.

Trond

GS Air is back in stock with esmokeireland. You can probably get it for cheaper elsewhere but its still great value @ €10.50

JH_raheny

Trond wrote: »

GS Air is back in stock with esmokeireland. You can probably get it for cheaper elsewhere but its still great value @ €10.50

Plus next day delivery

Trond

JH_raheny wrote: »

Plus next day delivery

Sometimes even better than that!

Cant even remember what it was I bought off them recently. Ordered at 2pm on a Thursday and it was in the house at lunchtime the next day!

I wish some other industries were as efficient

tomaussie

I would like to thank everybody who gave me feedback.

Sitting here vaping with my two new istick 50's and using the Nautulis mini and happy as a pig in muck.

Haven't even tried the GS air yet.

I'm so so happy. This is light years from what I was using. Surely my previous set up should be obsolete now and ALL starter kits should be similar to what I have now.

There are now no excuses for anybody that wants to stop smoking.

I have 3-5 friends that started back smoking because of leakage, gurgling and all the other problems.

I'm looking forward to bringing them up to date on the new technology.

Thanks guys.

JH_raheny

Glad it's working well for you, I was the same when I decided to give vaping another go, got the Tesla VW and the bigger Nautilus and I just knew that evening that I wouldn't be smoking again.
Watch the shinyitis as it can be expensive as well but still not as bad as the smokes though

tomaussie

JH_raheny wrote: »

Glad it's working well for you, I was the same when I decided to give vaping another go, got the Tesla VW and the bigger Nautilus and I just knew that evening that I wouldn't be smoking again.
Watch the shinyitis as it can be expensive as well but still not as bad as the smokes though

The sad truth is that anybody I know who swapped cigs for ecig did it for financial reasons.

I would have paid double what my fag habit was costing me to stop.

It's all good now.

Didihno

Great stuff Tom, now go forth and convert them all!!!

We're like Vaping Mormons or something.

jonski

Didihno wrote: »

Great stuff Tom, now go forth and convert them all!!!

We're like Vaping Mormons or something.

I go around knocking on doors saying " have you a minute to talk about our lord and saviour iStick , and his son mini nautilus "

nkav86

I'm using the same set up, it's a completely different beast to what I started on, I actually tried the nicorette white inhaler thing, jesus I didn't even last a day!!

Didihno

jonski wrote: »

I go around knocking on doors saying " have you a minute to talk about our lord and saviour iStick , and his son mini nautilus "

Testify!

tomaussie

A few days in now and I'm very happy with performance and consistency.

The only thing I've noticed, as a negative, is lack of flavour.

It quite often feels like I'm getting no flavour. The juice I use is really tasty but since I've been using this setup I've really not been tasting my vape.

Anybody else experience this ?

JH_raheny

If you're using the same flavour all the time it is quite normal, what I do is to keep two or three flavours on the go all the time, obviously not easy when out and about but at home or in the office no problem

tomaussie wrote: »

A few days in now and I'm very happy with performance and consistency.

The only thing I've noticed, as a negative, is lack of flavour.

It quite often feels like I'm getting no flavour. The juice I use is really tasty but since I've been using this setup I've really not been tasting my vape.

Anybody else experience this ?

Trond

tomaussie wrote: »

A few days in now and I'm very happy with performance and consistency.

The only thing I've noticed, as a negative, is lack of flavour.

It quite often feels like I'm getting no flavour. The juice I use is really tasty but since I've been using this setup I've really not been tasting my vape.

Anybody else experience this ?

Might be vapours tongue to some extent. Its basically when someone loses their ability to taste the juice.

People recommend using a peppermint/menthol ejuice for a bit and then go back and it should be fine again.

tomaussie

UPDATE - I'm about 2-3 weeks in now with the new setup and here are my thoughts.

I think it's only fair to give some feedback (after all the advice you gave me) that might help anybody who is thinking of using the GS Air tank or the Nautilus mini.

I got myself two of the istick 50w, they are fantastic and a complete no brainer so I'll just talk about the tanks.

The clear winner for me is the Nautilus Mini. It is so easy to use and the air flow adjustment couldn't be any easier. Quality hit every time and no sign whatsoever of gurgling or leakage.

The GS Air is good but I find adjusting the air flow a pain in the arse. It is much more difficult to find the sweet spot on the GS Air tank than the Nautilus. You will need a little screwdriver, like the ones people use for adjusting screws on glasses, and it's kind of a pain needing that tool when you are vaping. Eleaf missed a beat by not including a suitable adjustment tool. Performance wise it is good but the Nautilus Mini has a better all round feel and is a better quality product. Also, while it may not be a problem for most, I find the GS Air a louder vape whereas the Nautilus is quieter on the draw. This might be relevant for stealth vapers.

It's a pity as I ordered from Ireland and I bought 6 of the GS Air with 20-25 replacement coils and I only bought one of the Nautilus Mini's. I did this because, from my research, I thought the GS Air would be the better tank. It's not. I'll be giving the Air tanks to any newbies I meet who want to try an upgrade on the Kanger T3's or the like.

The only drawback with the Mini is the amount of liquid it holds and I have to fill it up daily or every other day. For this reason I bought the Nautilus 5ml tank yesterday and I hope it performs as well as the Mini.

That's it. I know there is a price difference in the 2 tanks but I would still buy the Nautilus EVERY time.

Thanks again for all your help.

youdipstick

tomaussie wrote: »

UPDATE - I'm about 2-3 weeks in now with the new setup and here are my thoughts.

I think it's only fair to give some feedback (after all the advice you gave me) that might help anybody who is thinking of using the GS Air tank or the Nautilus mini.

I got myself two of the istick 50w, they are fantastic and a complete no brainer so I'll just talk about the tanks.

The clear winner for me is the Nautilus Mini. It is so easy to use and the air flow adjustment couldn't be any easier. Quality hit every time and no sign whatsoever of gurgling or leakage.

The GS Air is good but I find adjusting the air flow a pain in the arse. It is much more difficult to find the sweet spot on the GS Air tank than the Nautilus. You will need a little screwdriver, like the ones people use for adjusting screws on glasses, and it's kind of a pain needing that tool when you are vaping. Eleaf missed a beat by not including a suitable adjustment tool. Performance wise it is good but the Nautilus Mini has a better all round feel and is a better quality product. Also, while it may not be a problem for most, I find the GS Air a louder vape whereas the Nautilus is quieter on the draw. This might be relevant for stealth vapers.

It's a pity as I ordered from Ireland and I bought 6 of the GS Air with 20-25 replacement coils and I only bought one of the Nautilus Mini's. I did this because, from my research, I thought the GS Air would be the better tank. It's not. I'll be giving the Air tanks to any newbies I meet who want to try an upgrade on the Kanger T3's or the like.

The only drawback with the Mini is the amount of liquid it holds and I have to fill it up daily or every other day. For this reason I bought the Nautilus 5ml tank yesterday and I hope it performs as well as the Mini.

That's it. I know there is a price difference in the 2 tanks but I would still buy the Nautilus EVERY time.

Thanks again for all your help.

I have 3 big Nautilus's with Glass & Steel tanks,no coils but I would swap them for your 6 x GS Airs & coils if you want.

nkav86

That's great to hear, I agree with the nautilus/gs air comparison, I don't use my gs air much as I find the nautilus so much better but it comes in handy for a backup just in case

Didihno

I'd agree the Nautilus is probably a better product and maybe a bit more user friendly, however it is also more than twice the price and I find the heads prone to gurgling. Either one is a good choice for me though, whatever works for you is the right choice!

nkav86

Didihno wrote:

whatever works for you is the right choice!

This is the perfect statement, I think with all of the new advanced model people might think they have to be kitted out with expensive, complicated products, but if even a cig-a-like works for you go for it! Whatever keeps you off the smokes is a god send!

Trond

I've been through 2 of the bigger Nautilus tanks. Its a great tank for beginners as it doesn't require much maintenance due to the juice capacity. Flavour wise its good although Id rank the GS Air ahead of it. Its also prone to spitting and gurgling as time goes on. Not sure why really.

The main gripe with it is the coils. The originals coils with it were poxy. So many duds. Obviously the newer versions (BVC) are a huge upgrade but Ive still encountered a couple of duds with the BVC's.

tomaussie

A question on the above -

I've been happily using my istick50 and aspire nautilus for the last two months.

With my old device I could tell I needed a new atomiser because the taste changed within a few seconds from ok to nasty.

Is it different with this set up ?

I'm finding that the atomiser seems to be fading slower. For example, the taste seems to be getting nastier but there isn't that moment when it absolutely becomes nasty.

I'm concerned that I may be changing the atomiser when it actually does not need to be changed.

These Nautilis atomiser's seem to last a lot lot longer than the T3 set up but what is your experience ?

The T3 told me it needed to be changed instantly whereas I feel the Nautilis is acceptably nasty for a period and then needs to be changed.

Anybody got an opioion ?

Trond

tomaussie wrote: »

A question on the above -

I've been happily using my istick50 and aspire nautilus for the last two months.

With my old device I could tell I needed a new atomiser because the taste changed within a few seconds from ok to nasty.

Is it different with this set up ?

I'm finding that the atomiser seems to be fading slower. For example, the taste seems to be getting nastier but there isn't that moment when it absolutely becomes nasty.

I'm concerned that I may be changing the atomiser when it actually does not need to be changed.

These Nautilis atomiser's seem to last a lot lot longer than the T3 set up but what is your experience ?

The T3 told me it needed to be changed instantly whereas I feel the Nautilis is acceptably nasty for a period and then needs to be changed.

Anybody got an opioion ?

How long are you using the coil thats in there at the moment?

From memory I found that the flavour sort of disappeared more than tasted terrible. Sometimes changing juices a few times also ruined the coil on me.