Gone stale

Kiltris

ferrete wrote: »

To be honest I think your exaggerating a bit as I have a springer from field trail lines an it unreal, dose goose duck phesant woodcock etc nd retrieves foxes also, its just about what your dog's used to and how fit it is, mine usually lasts 5 hours but it depends on the cover it's hunting.
before you day anything I have compared it to other springers and 90% of them I would even consider

Exaggerating what point exactly? I never said that all dogs with papers didn't have a good engine, my point is that people started to over look good honest dogs beacause of an obsession with papers.

Congrats on your own dog, I bet you wouldn't sell it for any money.

ferrete

Kiltris wrote: »

Exaggerating what point exactly? I never said that all dogs with papers didn't have a good engine, my point is that people started to over look good honest dogs beacause of an obsession with papers.

Congrats on your own dog, I bet you wouldn't sell it for any money.

You was ment in general. That dogs with field trail breeding are site. It's the case with a lot but then dogs with no paperwork can be **** too. Trail dogs generally are smaller and only ever worked short and fast wer a field dog is worked steady all day. I find its just down to diet what quail food they get and exercise and 90% is to the type of cover they hunt, in some areas I hunt no springer would last all day and I wouldnt make it if you respect your dog.

An yes your right I would not sell my dog for any price and I was offered silly money a few times for it. But two me it's prices less and il hopefully never buy another spring il just breed her and stick to her line. Only thing I'd be worried about would be her sire being up to scratch. Il probably breed her next yeare or that after and people were looking to book pups already but all I want is one for me, il not be breeding to sell as it's not fair on the dog etc and I don't agree with breeding to make money.

Kiltris

ferrete wrote: »

You was ment in general. That dogs with field trail breeding are site. It's the case with a lot but then dogs with no paperwork can be **** too. Trail dogs generally are smaller and only ever worked short and fast wer a field dog is worked steady all day. I find its just down to diet what quail food they get and exercise and 90% is to the type of cover they hunt, in some areas I hunt no springer would last all day and I wouldnt make it if you respect your dog.

An yes your right I would not sell my dog for any price and I was offered silly money a few times for it. But two me it's prices less and il hopefully never buy another spring il just breed her and stick to her line. Only thing I'd be worried about would be her sire being up to scratch. Il probably breed her next yeare or that after and people were looking to book pups already but all I want is one for me, il not be breeding to sell as it's not fair on the dog etc and I don't agree with breeding to make money.

But I never said that dogs with field trail breeding were sh*te! Fair play, It's good to see someone else who'e not in it for the money. Unfortunately there are alot of lads out there that breed for the money, regardless of the sire & dams capabitities. I was once in the company of a lad that was selling pups when his phone rang, and to listen to him blowing about the 2 dogs you would think you couldn't fail with one of these pups. Needless to say that everything he was saying was total bullsh*t!

I know several lads in my locality too that are shooting all there lives and have never kept a line of dogs. I think it's because their just not doggy men, they don't know what to look for nor do they no the value of keeping a good line and watching a dog go from strenght to strenght over there first 3 seasons. Monetary gain is much more important.

I'll give you one example, one guy bought a lovely springer dog about 3 months ago, a trained dog. To buy this dog he sold the bitch he had hunted all last season. This was a bitch that had a great nose, well able for cover & in my opinion was one of the best retrievers I have seen. He had no reason to sell her only I'd say he was bored of her, completely ridiculous. Then, I heard last week he has sold the trained springer dog, because he got €100 more for him than he paid. That cycle will go on & on & on.... And he's not alone here, I've come across loads that do the same. I just don't understand how any true shooter/doggy man could keep moving dogs like this.

ferrete

Kiltris wrote: »

But I never said that dogs with field trail breeding were sh*te! Fair play, It's good to see someone else who'e not in it for the money. Unfortunately there are alot of lads out there that breed for the money, regardless of the sire & dams capabitities. I was once in the company of a lad that was selling pups when his phone rang, and to listen to him blowing about the 2 dogs you would think you couldn't fail with one of these pups. Needless to say that everything he was saying was total bullsh*t!

I know several lads in my locality too that are shooting all there lives and have never kept a line of dogs. I think it's because their just not doggy men, they don't know what to look for nor do they no the value of keeping a good line and watching a dog go from strenght to strenght over there first 3 seasons. Monetary gain is much more important.

I'll give you one example, one guy bought a lovely springer dog about 3 months ago, a trained dog. To buy this dog he sold the bitch he had hunted all last season. This was a bitch that had a great nose, well able for cover & in my opinion was one of the best retrievers I have seen. He had no reason to sell her only I'd say he was bored of her, completely ridiculous. Then, I heard last week he has sold the trained springer dog, because he got €100 more for him than he paid. That cycle will go on & on & on.... And he's not alone here, I've come across loads that do the same. I just don't understand how any true shooter/doggy man could keep moving dogs like this.

But to sell for an extra 100 doesn't make sense as your our fuel, feeding and cleaning it wouldn't pay to sell for 100 euro

snipe49

allan450 wrote: »

Their is far to much to consider on this subject.The dogs diet first and foremost.How thick is the cover certain parts of the country compared to others.what I call cover and what an other man calls cover can be the total opposite.if you hunt a dog for a the likes of 6/7 hours a day after 2/3 week's they lose the flashy style and then plod.while still doing the job it's not nice to watch.4/5 hours is enough or rotate at heel each dogs at that time so their bursting to get going.Their are some serious dogs out their if lads know where to look.The amount of **** the dog world seems to attract is serious so take everything with a pinch of salt until you see it yourself or learn the hard way......

yes Allan and if lads only breed from good honest dogs there's a chance they'll have good pups. But a lot of this bad dog syndrome is down to the handlers not know how to bring a pup on and some great dogs are lost.

Kiltris

ferrete wrote: »

But to sell for an extra 100 doesn't make sense as your our fuel, feeding and cleaning it wouldn't pay to sell for 100 euro

I KNOW!!!!!

Beggers belief to be honest, and this happens continously! Can you imagine if you spent 30 or 40 years shooting & never had your own line, and I mean never! Often breeds a good bitch and just sells off all the pups.

Anyway, thats all a bit off topic. I often wondered are there alot more working dogs in the country now than say 15-20yrs ago? Are lads keeping more dogs now?

snipe49

Kiltris wrote: »

I KNOW!!!!!

Beggers belief to be honest, and this happens continously! Can you imagine if you spent 30 or 40 years shooting & never had your own line, and I mean never! Often breeds a good bitch and just sells off all the pups.

Anyway, thats all a bit off topic. I often wondered are there alot more working dogs in the country now than say 15-20yrs ago? Are lads keeping more dogs now?

As for more dog around then back in the day. when i started shooting most lads only had one good dog a few had two but they would have to be good or it was by by. The springer back then was a different dog to most of what about today they were a strong big but fit dog with no need for fancy feed most got table scraps and a bone from the butcher every now and then. They were never sick full of drive most of them had to much' a far cry from to days dog's. I'll tell ye about my first springer i was 16 had a single barrel and saved the 80 pounds for the dog. I got jeff a liver and white dog pup 12 weeks old ikc reg that was a lot of money back then 3 weeks wages
i trained him on the whistle but he was a hard dog to hold back so what i did was when i was going out for a day's shooting yes a Days shooting i would let him pull me all the way on my bike 4 miles we would hunt hard all day non stop All rough going 'to give him a hand on the way back i would peddle up the big hill. Now this dog would do this every day And most springers around me that time were the same.

Tommyaya4

Dawggone wrote: »

Doesn't stay in cover all the time?
To me, a springer should have to be commanded to leave cover.

Seen plenty of sh1t put in a ditch at one end and don't come out till the other 3 ditches later their only fit for the trailer much prefer a dog that's hunting the ditch rather then staying in cover just because you trained them to stay in

Tommyaya4

Kiltris wrote: »

This isn't a dig or anything, but I think this is what happened to springers. People became obsessed with lines, pedigrees & papers.

I have 3 springers here, no papers, I never had a dog with papers but I know the breeding of these dogs, we (me, father & uncles) have kept these lines for years. I have one big strong bitch that is probably the best we've ever had, she hunts all day, any cover, never fails. I've put her up against dogs that lads have paid €1200 for & she puts them to shame.

I will get tired a lot sooner than she will, and she will be bouncing again the day after to do the same. The dog is a machine, duck, pheasant, woodcock, snipe.. She knows her job. I bred her to my springer dog, he's a nut job in cover, but he gets busted up, she comes out unmarked.
I kept back one pup for myself, absolutely cracking pup, sold 3 to local lads & advertised the rest, I said on the add that I would show anyone the dog and bitch working but I couldn't shift them, I watched pups with "papers" being sold left, right & centre & I ended up training these and sending them to wales. Their now working drug dogs.

My point is these 'all day' dogs are out there but some are simply just not interested because of lines, pedigrees & papers.

Thats just my two cents.

We'll said lad

hathcock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORAzQ0su1Kw This is the kind of pup I look for.

Kiltris

hathcock wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORAzQ0su1Kw This is the kind of pup I look for.

Is that your own bitch? A nice, confident, eager to please dog. She has smarts & isn't looking up at your face for directions. A natural instinct to hunt. You can't teach that.

hathcock

Kiltris wrote: »

Is that your own bitch? A nice, confident, eager to please dog. She has smarts & isn't looking up at your face for directions. A natural instinct to hunt. You can't teach that.

Ya,she's my own,I have her brother too,he's a lot more advanced.

Kiltris

Well keep up the good work. Can't watching them come along!

Dare I ask does she have papers?

snipe49

hathcock wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORAzQ0su1Kw This is the kind of pup I look for.

Your easy please !

hathcock

Kiltris wrote: »

Well keep up the good work. Can't watching them come along!

Dare I ask does she have papers?

yes she's reg IKC

hathcock

snipe49 wrote: »

Your easy please !

is that an attempt at irony or sarcasm?

snipe49

hathcock wrote: »

is that an attempt at irony or sarcasm?

She's nice best of luck with her pal.I have a pup here 7 months old as good as i had for a long time great drive i'll make a video.

hathcock

snipe49 wrote: »

She's nice best of luck with her pal.I have a pup here 7 months old as good as i had for a long time great drive i'll make a video.

Would like to see your video,good luck with your pup.

snipe49

hathcock wrote: »

Would like to see your video,good luck with your pup.

I'll make one this week. I have nothing done with her yet just a few trips to my rabbit ground to see what she's made off' i like what i seen so i'll train her now.

allan450

my 2 at 5 months nothing done with as such.but their doing enough for their age https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elR7hwgnAsE&feature=youtu.be

hathcock

allan450 wrote: »

my 2 at 5 months nothing done with as such.but their doing enough for their age https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elR7hwgnAsE&feature=youtu.be

two beauts Allan,lovely to see them so keen so young,good luck in the future with them.

patton69

allan450 wrote: »

my 2 at 5 months nothing done with as such.but their doing enough for their age https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elR7hwgnAsE&feature=youtu.be

hahaha fair play alan 2 5 month pups showing them all how its done lovely go in em mind them and all the best with them its nice to see nice spaniels on here even hathcock has a nice bitch :eek::D:D

hathcock

patton69 wrote: »

hahaha fair play alan 2 5 month pups showing them all how its done lovely go in em mind them and all the best with them its nice to see nice spaniels on here even hathcock has a nice bitch :eek::D:D

even hathcock has a nice bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!

snipe49

allan450 wrote: »

my 2 at 5 months nothing done with as such.but their doing enough for their age https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elR7hwgnAsE&feature=youtu.be

Very nice and well marked what are they dogs bitches. ?

allan450

2 dogs.only one bitch in the litter.she is special mate of mine has her.

snipe49

allan450 wrote: »

2 dogs.only one bitch in the litter.she is special mate of mine has her.

There very nice pups best of look with them pal.

Kells1

allan450 wrote: »

my 2 at 5 months nothing done with as such.but their doing enough for their age https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elR7hwgnAsE&feature=youtu.be

Thats serious going for 5 month olds. Hope my lad is as good....

ESB Spaniel

Just a quick video of Cassie's progression, going well, last ditch is nice and tight. Cassie will be 12 months in August. Looking forward to shooting over her this season.

ESB Spaniel

allan450 wrote: »

my 2 at 5 months nothing done with as such.but their doing enough for their age https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elR7hwgnAsE&feature=youtu.be

Going well lad fair fcuks

Stonehall9

Kiltris wrote: »

This isn't a dig or anything, but I think this is what happened to springers. People became obsessed with lines, pedigrees & papers.

I have 3 springers here, no papers, I never had a dog with papers but I know the breeding of these dogs, we (me, father & uncles) have kept these lines for years. I have one big strong bitch that is probably the best we've ever had, she hunts all day, any cover, never fails. I've put her up against dogs that lads have paid €1200 for & she puts them to shame.

I will get tired a lot sooner than she will, and she will be bouncing again the day after to do the same. The dog is a machine, duck, pheasant, woodcock, snipe.. She knows her job. I bred her to my springer dog, he's a nut job in cover, but he gets busted up, she comes out unmarked.
I kept back one pup for myself, absolutely cracking pup, sold 3 to local lads & advertised the rest, I said on the add that I would show anyone the dog and bitch working but I couldn't shift them, I watched pups with "papers" being sold left, right & centre & I ended up training these and sending them to wales. Their now working drug dogs.

My point is these 'all day' dogs are out there but some are simply just not interested because of lines, pedigrees & papers.

Thats just my two cents.

I agree with you, I have a dog who looks like he couldn't give a sh** what's going on, sits down at home like a cat, when you put him in the jeep and he sees the gun the switch flicks ,he never passes a bird has brought woodcock out of the thickest of covers and will work all day, spent 6 hours last January hunting woodcock on a bitter day and never stopped, he is big old type from good lines, bred him with a serious bitch that was non reg and when fellas saw the dog and the bitch non reg you couldn't sell a pup, 16 months later lads begging the couple of old lads that took them to sell!! Papers means jacks ****!!