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Dublin to London and back in an i3 [Journey Log]
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25-06-2015 4:14pm#1
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Rhyl actually blew a good few bits when somebody tried to charge a week or 2 ago. I used it on May 31st and it was fine. Met the Britisch Gas engineers who support the chargers at Sedgemoor North services. They were doing a CCS update when I arrived. Most Ecotricity spots have 2 chargers. 1 AC/Chademo, 1 CCS/Chademo. I had little issue with any of them on my travels. I would be more worried about queues than chargers not working. But then again, I use AC which is simpler than Chademo or CCS
Enjoy the GP! Should be a good one!0 -
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Great to see. Think I told you before that it would be easier to cross the UK in an I3 than crossing Ireland
I'm convinced that some rapid charger problems in Ireland are related to bad power supply. The chargers themselves are mostly fine. Had no issue with any efacec triple standard model but in Ireland some, not all, cause nothing but trouble.
Enjoy the GP. That track looked narrow from what I saw!0 -
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Well done and thanks for the pics:) Glad it's been do-able from an EV perspective so far. Enjoy the GP I'll look out for you when I watch it on the telly
There was some major snafu on the M40 yesterday but not as bad as my trip back from London to Somerset on Thursday evening which was 140 miles of stop-go because the Glasto lot were all migrating to the festival
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The problem sometimes in the UK with the multiple units is that if any one of the (typically 3) chargers is faulty the whole unit reports as being offline. Often this is not the case - it seems that mostly on a UK rapid the CCS charger fails but that then reports the whole unit as offline even though the AC and Chademo are still working. I've seen this myself at some Ecotricity chargers up near Bristol, Zapmap reported them as offline for over a week but in fact the Chademo was working fine when I got there and had never been down.
I couldn't possibly comment on the relative merits of CCS and Chademo 0 -
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Brilliant result.
Wonder how many fast charges that would have been with a Leaf
I didn't really need one of the rapid charges but Source London didn't send my card in time so I was unsure about getting access to the level 2 infrastructure in the City. I also went back via Milton Keynes (post coming on that) which meant a longer return journey (would have done an over night charge there but the premier inn only had a rapid charger)
There is only one working CCS charger inside the M25. ChaDeMo users have a lot more choice of charging stop and the Leaf gets a tiny bit more range on the motorway.0 -
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The CCS network is growing quickly, since I picked up my car in February there have been at least two CCS locations added every month. So we're catching up with ChaDeMo, CCS-Map has seen the number of chargers here in europe almost triple since the start of the year. All new rapid charging locations installed in Ireland will have CCS, with 20 planned this year. I've got CCS already covering my major routes (Dublin to North Tipp & general Dublin area) so I'm happy.
I had a 141 Leaf before the i3, sure you have a lot more rapid charging but the i3 has twice the power to weight and handles a lot more sharply.
Here's the CCS map that ESB updates directly:
https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zVDgdgMW7RMA.kduTOkI5y3ts&hl=en
I'm the country editor for Openchargemap so until I add a charger for Ireland it doesn't get added to http://ccs-map.eu/
Wouldn't touch the e-Golf, it's not a purpose built EV and suffers for that. It's also similarly priced to the i3 which is in a different league.
Thanks for the maps, exactly what I have been looking for. Looks like there enough chargers in the locations I would be going to.
Re the i3, I actually thought it was much higher priced than the e-Golf, I may have been comparing it to the Rex version ? I do feel that it is needed to ensure a higher re-sale value in a few years times when there may be many EV's with considerably higher range out there.
I have heard the i3 is fantastic to drive, I may try and get a test drive in the next few weeks - although I always find test drives are a dangerous (i.e. expensive) thing to do 0 -
Thanks for the maps, exactly what I have been looking for. Looks like there enough chargers in the locations I would be going to.
Only going to improve... Ballacolla charger just opened last week.Re the i3, I actually thought it was much higher priced than the e-Golf, I may have been comparing it to the Rex version ? I do feel that it is needed to ensure a higher re-sale value in a few years times when there may be many EV's with considerably higher range out there.
AFAIR the eGolf starts at €32,500 while the i3 starts a €34,000. You do need to add €700 for the CCS (DC Fast Charge Prep is what they call it). Unless you want leather seats go for the base trim and buy the wood dash as a spare part for about €400 after delivery. Don't go for the 20" wheels as the tyres on those are very difficult to get and prone to damage.I have heard the i3 is fantastic to drive, I may try and get a test drive in the next few weeks - although I always find test drives are a dangerous (i.e. expensive) thing to do
You will have a grin from ear to ear the first second you hit the accelerator. My times and a lot of the reviewers times show the 7.2 second 0-100 to be very conservative, realistically it's 6.5 seconds or even less if you code it!
The i3 is the fastest car BMW has ever made from 0-50 (including the i8)0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »You could also go for the much cheaper Leaf or Zoe, they're not bad cars and the Leaf is good to drive and well built, not as much fun as the BMW, the I3 has about 70 more HP in a much lighter chassis.
The I3 as built from the ground up to be an EV unlike the E-Golf and Leaf, which are more ICE conversions. The Leaf was designed this way in 2010 to minimise production costs.
The Leaf is getting a larger battery hopefully in the Autumn 2015 it should have 20-30 Kms more range than the I3 for a lot cheaper but if the Power and build quality of the I3 suits you more then this is where you see the money better spent.
Cros13 says the I3 is getting a range upgrade in 2016 ? any links ? I haven't seen any reference to this.
I will probably give the Leaf a test drive too - a dealer only 10 mins from where I live. I am sure it would work better budget-wise but it'll be hard to live up to the i3 - I really wasn't expecting to be as impressed as I was with it.... such a great car to drive with a top quality interior, and there's all the toys 0 -
I will probably give the Leaf a test drive too - a dealer only 10 mins from where I live. I am sure it would work better budget-wise but it'll be hard to live up to the i3 - I really wasn't expecting to be as impressed as I was with it.... such a great car to drive with a top quality interior, and there's all the toys
What really turned me off the I3 was the CCS charging standard, so go to the E-cars website, iuse the filter at the top of the charge point map and compare ChaDeMo fast chargers to CCS and see if this will impact you or not, igf it does then the Leaf would suit you better.
The Rex version of the I3 is disgracefully expensive all that extra tax doesn;t help.
If the I3 does get more range in 2016 then I would hold on, or wait for the Leaf which is hopefully going to get a range boost this Autumn.0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »What really turned me off the I3 was the CCS charging standard, so go to the E-cars website, iuse the filter at the top of the charge point map and compare ChaDeMo fast chargers to CCS and see if this will impact you or not, igf it does then the Leaf would suit you better.
The Rex version of the I3 is disgracefully expensive all that extra tax doesn;t help.
If the I3 does get more range in 2016 then I would hold on, or wait for the Leaf which is hopefully going to get a range boost this Autumn.
Had a test drive of the Leaf today, very nice to drive. Cabin is a definite step down but of course the price is much much more affordable. Overall, I'm impressed - though the i3 is much nicer to drive IMO but you pay for that privilege.
The Leaf is very affordable for me and its almost certain that I would change in 3 yrs max ( to a Tesla or possibly a German alternative), so definitely considering the Leaf now as well. The SVE would be my choice if I went for it.
The price and the availability of rapid charging are the key things the Leaf has for me... and the Bose system in the SVE does no harm either I assume the 6Kw charger is well worth getting as an option ? 0 -
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It's the rear 'suicide doors' I really don't like - as a parent with kids I could never own a car with such an arrangement. I think they're a major safety concern.
That and the price
I'm pretty sure that it's only possible to open the rear doors if the front doors are open, so there should be no safety concern.
The i3 is a beautiful car, but way too expensive for me. It is good to see a manufacturer like BMW putting the effort into producing a unique car, rather than just sticking a battery and electric motor in a random BMW and selling it in California (like Ford, Fiat etc).0 -
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Had a test drive of the Leaf today, very nice to drive. Cabin is a definite step down but of course the price is much much more affordable. Overall, I'm impressed - though the i3 is much nicer to drive IMO but you pay for that privilege.
The Leaf is very affordable for me and its almost certain that I would change in 3 yrs max ( to a Tesla or possibly a German alternative), so definitely considering the Leaf now as well. The SVE would be my choice if I went for it.
The price and the availability of rapid charging are the key things the Leaf has for me... and the Bose system in the SVE does no harm either I assume the 6Kw charger is well worth getting as an option ?
The leaf has a lower quality interior than even Nissan's current Gen cars which I find very good, with the exception of the Micra. However the Leaf is not a bad place to sit especially the SVE.
I am not happy with the Bose stereo, it lacks baas, despite having a "sub woofer" the bass is hugely disappointing. The basic stereo in our 08 Diesel Kia Ceed estate has much better Baas.
The Bose in the Leaf doesn't even get near sub base frequencies. My plan is to get rid of it and install a proper sub.
The sound is clear enough and if you turn up the baas pass the half way mark it destroys the mid range. But I can't compare it to the basic stereo in the Leaf but you can always upgrade the stereo and speakers in any car with much better quality components.
The 6.6 Kw charger without is the best option you'll have and the cold pack.
I guarantee, when the ESB start to charge for the public chargers a lot of people will regret not having much faster charging at home and people should be allowed to have 32 amp home charge points installed too because it makes the world of difference V charging at 3.3 Kw. But getting the 6.6 charger has saved me many times having to look for a fast charger and possibly having to queue and then charge. I just get in and drive off.
Nissan Ireland should not import the leaf with the 3.3 Kw because the most important thing about an ev is it's ability to charge as fast as possible and if the 3.3 Kw is not on the options list most people won't know about it anyway because people try save money but don't think about the value of that 6.6 Kw charger !0 -
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Benny_Cake wrote: »I'm pretty sure that it's only possible to open the rear doors if the front doors are open, so there should be no safety concern.
No, that is the point, the rear passengers are effectively trapped in the back if there is a front-end shunt that disables the driver/front passenger or damages the front doors.
In a four-door car it should be possible for the rear passengers to get out unaided - with the i3 door arrangement they can't.
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front-end shunt that disables the driver/front passenger or damages the front doors.
CFRP frame, doesn't bend, buckle or deform like a steel or aluminium frame. There are also a number of "initiators" throughout the design to which sacrifice themselves to cause components and frame section to move only in specific directions in a accident. For example there are two initiators in the front wheel well that disconnect the axle and fold the wheels away and to the side during a front or partial front impact. There are only two situations in which the door would fail to open, one is a side impact at 25 meters per second (90km/h) or more relative speed by a 1300kg vehicle (which gives the amount of force needed to damage the CFRP frame sufficiently to reach the door structure) or at 10 meter per second where the other vehicle's bumper directly impacts the door itself. The second is if some of the plastic body panels have been shunted up the vehicle... in which case any teenager or adult can still easily force the door open. Either way, at it's worst it's better than a two door four seat vehicle.It's also a pain in car parks
I actually find it easier, the rear doors are short and the lack of a B-pillar means both rear and front occupants can exit in a tighter space than a standard car. Sure, it's a pain in the ass having to open the front door to let a rear passenger out but other than that and making sure people close the doors in order, no practical issues.0 -
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I think basically the same way us foreigners get hold of ESB cards for Ireland - contact the provider and ask for them
I know from UK forums that Dutch and Danish drivers have got cards from Ecotricity and others for visits to the UK and UK drivers get them for Holland and France, so it seems to be possible
I've not done it myself yet, so I can't pass on first-hand experience.0 -
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