Innocent victims of Ireland's gangland.

JustTheOne

Just reading about that lad shot last week who is suspected of been an innocent victim.

This seems to be happening a lot lately, but why is there not more public outcry and more been said by our politicians?

It's absolutely disgraceful that innocent people are getting caught up in gang feuds, but we seem shrug it off because it is happening so much.

fleet_admiral

The murder of innocent plumber Anthony Cambell shocked me then, and still does. A lad doing an honest days work and is just wiped out like that. I hope the animal that killed him is found and rots in hell

MathDebater

Donna Cleary too back in 2006. It's not a new thing. Coked up gangsters with a gun and the IQ of a coconut is a dangerous combination.

JustTheOne

Since then we.have had shane Geogahan, two lads in Tesco finglas, this lad last week.

Also not forgetting the kid last year.

More needs to be done.

JustTheOne

And that girl in tallaght last year sitting in a car.

And the lad paralysed who was shot outside the players lounge few years back, the list goes on.

frostyjacks

Why isn't there a public outcry? There's a little bit in the immediate aftermath, but it fizzles out. I think we're desensitised to gun crime over the last ten or so years. As for politicians, there's not many votes to be made going after gangs. They're focused on tax/health/education/jobs. It's left to the ordinary people on the ground to try and pick up the pieces.

Titzon Toast

fleet_admiral wrote: »

The murder of innocent plumber Anthony Cambell shocked me then, and still does. A lad doing an honest days work and is just wiped out like that. I hope the animal that killed him is found and rots in hell

He was caught apparently. He got locked up for something else though.

Streetwalker

Anyone who sits around at dinner parties and snorts coke or in the nightclub jacks is as responsible as the toe rag who sells or pushes the stuff that leads to incidents like this. Plenty of Gerry Ryan's out there who speak out of both sides of their mouth.

KilOit

JustTheOne wrote: »

And that girl in tallaght last year sitting in a car.

And the lad paralysed who was shot outside the players lounge few years back, the list goes on.

She was in the accompany of known scumbags and criminals

JustTheOne

KilOit wrote: »

She was in the accompany of known scumbags and criminals

Wasn't intended Target though was she?

tastyt

Gun crime is claiming innocent victims and our garda arrive on the scene with a little bottle of pepper spray and a baton. That is why these Scumbags have no fear, even if they get caught in the act these guys fire at garda, like that officer that was killed in Louth.

The armed response unit are too small and not effective enough. I know people will say " oh look at America they are armed and gun crime is through the roof " . That has nothing got to do with armed police, that's the stupid gun laws that let any dope carry.

There needs to be a deterrent, these scum run the streets and laugh at our police force because the Scumbags have more weapons than the national police.

Sometimes you need to fight fire with fire, the government should let the cops take back the streets.

Simon2015

JustTheOne wrote: »

Just reading about that lad shot last week who is suspected of been an innocent victim.

This seems to be happening a lot lately, but why is there not more public outcry and more been said by our politicians?

It's absolutely disgraceful that innocent people are getting caught up in gang feuds, but we seem shrug it off because it is happening so much.

The innocent guy who got shot mustn't be that important.

If somebody like katy french or gerry ryan was shot dead because of drugs you never hear the end of it.

Streetwalker

KilOit wrote: »

She was in the accompany of known scumbags and criminals

So are the Gardaí at times, do they deserve to be shot?

washman3

Streetwalker wrote: »

Anyone who sits around at dinner parties and snorts coke or in the nightclub jacks is as responsible as the toe rag who sells or pushes the stuff that leads to incidents like this. Plenty of Gerry Ryan's out there who speak out of both sides of their mouth.

Excellent post.
It always made great barstool banter in Limerick when the gangs were shooting each other. Suddenly when an innocent man was gunned down by mistake there was outcry, ironically from the same people.
What we have in this country is not a justice system, its a justice business, where an elite bunch of the judiciary make an absolute package from scumbags, at the expense of ordinary decent people.:mad:

tayto lover

fleet_admiral wrote: »

The murder of innocent plumber Anthony Cambell shocked me then, and still does. A lad doing an honest days work and is just wiped out like that. I hope the animal that killed him is found and rots in hell

Chances are that the person who killed Anthony has already had the same fate.

Turtyturd

MathDebater wrote: »

Donna Cleary too back in 2006. It's not a new thing. Coked up gangsters with a gun and the IQ of a coconut is a dangerous combination.

2006? :eek:

Where has time gone to? Know people on both sides of that, as would most people from the area and the lad involved (not the shooter) has continued to be a right scumbag.

Mint Aero

It's an epidemic which will devastate and shock this country to it's very core. How do we make the streets safer for ordinary decent people? Follow Mintys guide to good public living:

No more than two people under 30 wearing tracksuits can be seeing walking together in public.

No more than one person under 30 wearing a tracksuit can loiter in public.

Pursue the financial income source of a certain element in society.

Pay children under 17 from social welfare families 20 euro for every B grade they achieve in school.

Enroll children 12 - 17 in community projects, tidy town, small construction works, building low level walls, erecting signage etc stuff like that to improve an area.

Mandatory army service from age 15 to 18 during the summer unless suitable employment is found.

Mandatory army service for one year after school or instead of transition year for people who intend on going to colllege.

Mandatory 2 years army service for people who don't intend on going to colllege.

Mandatory army service of up to 5 years for school leavers who fail to find employment.

On the spot fine for wearing tracksuits in public if not accompanied by a gym bag.

On the spot fine for spitting in public.

fleet_admiral

washman3 wrote: »

Excellent post.
It always made great barstool banter in Limerick when the gangs were shooting each other. Suddenly when an innocent man was gunned down by mistake there was outcry, ironically from the same people.
What we have in this country is not a justice system, its a justice business, where an elite bunch of the judiciary make an absolute package from scumbags, at the expense of ordinary decent people.:mad:

I worked in a pub a few years that had one of the biggest scumbags in Dublin as a regular customer. I could name some of his rumoured, alleged 'clients' but I wont. These are people you see on the telly and in the papers on a daily basis.

tastyt

Legalise and control the supply of drugs. There goes the majority of these guys money and means to buy guns. And suddenly being in a gang that has **** all money isn't so attractive.

Polly Sonic

Streetwalker wrote: »

Anyone who sits around at dinner parties and snorts coke or in the nightclub jacks is as responsible as the toe rag who sells or pushes the stuff that leads to incidents like this.

Does this only apply to drugs?
Is everybody that wears counterfeit clothing responsible if a guy mistakenly kills some other guy because he thought it was the guy that ripped him off a few hundred quid?

4zn76tysfajdxp

Mint Aero wrote: »

It's an epidemic which will devastate and shock this country to it's very core. How do we make the streets safer for ordinary decent people? Follow Mintys guide to good public living...

I like the cut of your jib, Mint Aero. Though they should just ban tracksuits, to be honest.

Electric Sheep

Not from Dublin 4, not important.

RedemptionZ

A lot of sensationalism ITT. Ireland doesn't have a big gun problem, and using admittedly tragic and often horrific killings as examples of gun crime is disingenuous because while they never should have happened, they are isolated incidents.

If the issue of legality of drugs was sorted out we wouldn't have any of these killings, money is what drives these gangs, if the money wasn't there to be made they'd be out of luck. And then all they'd really have would be robbery, which is far easier to police.

Junkyard Tom

RedemptionZ wrote: »

A lot of sensationalism ITT.

Indeed. As tragic as the cases are they're incredibly rare and Ireland is one of the safest liberal democracies in the world in which to live.

JustTheOne

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Indeed. As tragic as the cases are they're incredibly rare and Ireland is one of the safest liberal democracies in the world in which to live.

One innocent victim is one too many imo.

looksee

What makes today's professional army a suitable babysitter for teenagers?

Penny Tration

Turtyturd wrote: »

2006? :eek:

Where has time gone to? Know people on both sides of that, as would most people from the area and the lad involved (not the shooter) has continued to be a right scumbag.

Mad isn't it. I did a reading at her funeral, because she'd gone to our school. Feels like no more than a few years ago.

No scumbags from the area have changed tbh. They either continue as they are, get shot or move away and continue elsewhere.

suicide_circus

JustTheOne wrote: »

One innocent victim is one too many imo.

Indeed but it's hardly an "epidemic" as suggested above

JustTheOne

suicide_circus wrote: »

Indeed but it's hardly an "epidemic" as suggested above

Well we do have the highest murder rates in Europe involving guns.
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/dublin-has-become-the-gun-murder-capital-of-europe-69575922-237669061.html

Eugene Norman

Yes gun violence here is much higher than the UK for instance.

melissak

Heil mint aero!!!
Just kidding. I agree something needs to be done but hard lining has the potential to blow up in our faces epically... Having said that I don't really know what will fix it at this stage as it has already gone too far
. I think removing the source of income to such criminals by legalising at least soft drugs would be benificial, making an effort to educate kids from problem areasso they want to do better for themselves and stop this us versus them mentality by reducing the gap between rich and poor. Also i notice recently that more and more people are losing respect for the police, people who wouldn't be criminally inclined and this is worrying ..


uote="Mint Aero;95963458"]It's an epidemic which will devastate and shock this country to it's very core. How do we make the streets safer for ordinary decent people? Follow Mintys guide to good public living:

No more than two people under 30 wearing tracksuits can be seeing walking together in public.

No more than one person under 30 wearing a tracksuit can loiter in public.

Pursue the financial income source of a certain element in society.

Pay children under 17 from social welfare families 20 euro for every B grade they achieve in school.

Enroll children 12 - 17 in community projects, tidy town, small construction works, building low level walls, erecting signage etc stuff like that to improve an area.

Mandatory army service from age 15 to 18 during the summer unless suitable employment is found.

Mandatory army service for one year after school or instead of transition year for people who intend on going to colllege.

Mandatory 2 years army service for people who don't intend on going to colllege.

Mandatory army service of up to 5 years for school leavers who fail to find employment.

On the spot fine for wearing tracksuits in public if not accompanied by a gym bag.

On the spot fine for spitting in public.[/quote]