Train line held up by fare evader

beauf

http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-rail-delay-fare-evader-ashtown-maynooth-pearse-2166944-Jun2015/

Its staggering there are no Train Security legally able to deal with this.

Also interesting where a national train line is blocked there are no Garda available either. I assume they just don't see it as a priority as I saw Garda around that morning, just doing normal duties, in Cars etc. But not one was diverted to the train.

roundymac

Just goes to show there is a need for transport police. However just like the traffic corps they would probably be transfered to normal duties should and when the needs arise which imo would be almost daily. I work with a lot of east european's and they cannot believe that ITO the most dangerous thing that the guards are armed with is a biro and a notebook. I know they also have battons and pepper spray but there is so many regulations as to when they can use them.

efb

Serial fare evader... Hmmm

Probably a freeman or something

Carawaystick

Why did the rpu not just let the train travel and then stop the evader on the platform where he alighted?

whomitconcerns

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Pawwed Rig

Carawaystick wrote: »

Why did the rpu not just let the train travel and then stop the evader on the platform where he alighted?

That would have been the most sensible approach imo. They current strategy forces everyone to suffer at the hands of a few.
Not a very satisfactory result for the inspector though.

Pipmae

whomitconcerns wrote: »

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http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-rail-delay-fare-evader-ashtown-maynooth-pearse-2166944-Jun2015/

Fresh Link
Very silly by Irish Rail, that's what happens when you've no competition. They don't care about their customers because a lot of them have to use their service.

thebiglad

It is not Ireland, I had the same thing couple of years ago when travelling from Gatwick Airport to London on the South East trains service (not Gatwick Express).
Train went 2 stations and then we were stopped for 15 minutes awaiting British Transport Police to attend and remove a ticketless passenger (announcement by driver)
Outside of London the transport police are less and so its an even longer wait than for local police assistance.
After 15 minutes the driver recommended we move to another platform and board another train which, needless to say was jammed when everyone boarded.
As we moved out the train was still sitting there waiting for police with train guards and ticket inspector stood looking at the fare evader. Obviously they were not allowed to touch him. There was no shortage of volunteers to drag the fool from the train on their behalf!
No way to find out what happened to this fool but expect it was court and small fine for holding up a train and a lot of passengers.

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

Fresh Link
Very silly by Irish Rail, that's what happens when you've no competition. They don't care about their customers because a lot of them have to use their service.

no, thats what happens when your underfunded and used as a political tool. our railway can't support competition its to small and there isn't enough paths.

razorblunt

Dublin needs the "Big Man".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/9069932/Big-Man-who-threw-suspected-fare-dodger-off-train-avoids-prosecution.html

spurious

The Big Man was the first thing I thought of too.

I know if I had been a passenger and the Big Man (or a few not so Big men) had ejected the freeloader and got the train going, I would have been struck with temporary amnesia and blindness if anyone tried to give them trouble over it.

What a silly world we live in where the normals are held captive by the scum.

Pawwed Rig

How come bouncers can 'escort' folk from pubs but a multi million euro entity seems so helpless to do anything?

dazberry

Well there was no problem throwing a guy (with a valid ticket) off the Waterford - Heuston train last weekend - except that it delayed the train for 30 minutes in the process. Whole situation was badly managed, and the general level of drinking and tomfoolery on the train was disgraceful anyway.

D.

end of the road

razorblunt wrote: »

Dublin needs the "Big Man".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/9069932/Big-Man-who-threw-suspected-fare-dodger-off-train-avoids-prosecution.html

we don't. the book should have been thrown at him and the little runt. we need trained people on the trains for long distance services, and people ready at stations on the dart and suburban to remove these people and deal with them. but as that costs money, it won't happen

end of the road

spurious wrote: »

The Big Man was the first thing I thought of too.

I know if I had been a passenger and the Big Man (or a few not so Big men) had ejected the freeloader and got the train going, I would have been struck with temporary amnesia and blindness if anyone tried to give them trouble over it.

What a silly world we live in where the normals are held captive by the scum.

he is not a gard. it was the gards job to remove the fare evader from the train. he is not entitled to do the job of someone else. the UK have a system to deal with fare evaders. others getting involved when its none of their business and its not their job is unhelpful

Pawwed Rig

end of the road wrote: »

others getting involved when its none of their business and its not their job is unhelpful

If I am being delayed for an hour then it is my business

razorblunt

end of the road wrote: »

he is not a gard. it was the gards job to remove the fare evader from the train. he is not entitled to do the job of someone else. the UK have a system to deal with fare evaders. others getting involved when its none of their business and its not their job is unhelpful

The Big Man incident was in the UK (Edinburgh).
The worst thing to happen to Pollack was the media hounding him until the police confirmed no charges were being made.

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razorblunt wrote: »

The Big Man incident was in the UK (Edinburgh).
The worst thing to happen to Pollack was the media hounding him until the police confirmed no charges were being made.

he put his hands on someone else without having the authority to do so. he wasn't charged probably because of the fear of the daily mail backclash so the other little runt got off. the uk has british transport police, and gards on many of the trains to deal with this issue. those boys should be left to do their jobs that they are payed for without unhelpful idiots getting involved

razorblunt

end of the road wrote: »

he put his hands on someone else without having the authority to do so. he wasn't charged probably because of the fear of the daily mail backclash so the other little runt got off. the uk has british transport police, and gards on many of the trains to deal with this issue. those boys should be left to do their jobs that they are payed for without unhelpful idiots getting involved

They don't have police on the trains. He asked the conductor if he wanted him removed and he did.

Your definition of an "unhelpful idiot" is in direct contrast to the video.

It would have been a non story if it wasn't for the clown with the video camera.
The Scots generally put you back in your place quite quickly.

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razorblunt wrote: »

They don't have police on the trains. He asked the conductor if he wanted him removed and he did.

Your definition of an "unhelpful idiot" is in direct contrast to the video.

It would have been a non story if it wasn't for the clown with the video camera.
The Scots generally put you back in your place quite quickly.

i never said they had police on the trains. he never asked that conductor. no, an idiot is an idiot.

Jamie2k9

Not really sure how I feel, on one hand I say fair play to Irish Rail but on the other what a cock up from them.

I do feel a better solution could be found.

razorblunt

end of the road wrote: »

i never said they had police on the trains. he never asked that conductor. no, an idiot is an idiot.

He did, watch it back, he asked if he wanted him removed, was told yes and out he went.

stehyl15

Why don't they just make the stt security lads double up as ticket inpectors and have them physically remove or kick the shìte out of the fare evaders and troublemakers the problem with this perfect pc if you lay a hand i will sue society a good hiding would do the çunt no harm.

Captain Chaos

Because in reality by law the STT or Brinks security have no more legal power than you or I to take action against someone. They cannot physically touch anyone unless they are hit first or they can be done for assault.

Transport police is the only option here because of the law of the land. At the most all they can do is hold an aggressive person down until the Gards arrive but if someone is being passively aggressive then tough.

end of the road

stehyl15 wrote: »

Why don't they just make the stt security lads double up as ticket inpectors and have them physically remove or kick the shìte out of the fare evaders and troublemakers the problem with this perfect pc if you lay a hand i will sue society a good hiding would do the çunt no harm.

they are private security so have no right to law a hand on someone apart from holding until the police come. i do agree the current RPU need to double up as security and get rid of the private security firms

whisky_galore

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

If I am being delayed for an hour then it is my business

In a perfect world, the fare evader could be sued for inconvenience and delay caused.

stehyl15

end of the road wrote: »

they are private security so have no right to law a hand on someone apart from holding until the police come. i do agree the current RPU need to double up as security and get rid of the private security firms

I dont really see the whole point on private security if thats the case

Victor

stehyl15 wrote: »

Why don't they just make the stt security lads double up as ticket inpectors and have them physically remove or kick the shìte out of the fare evaders and troublemakers the problem with this perfect pc if you lay a hand i will sue society a good hiding would do the çunt no harm.

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flyingsnail

Outcome of the court case
Full article : http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/nine-trains-delayed-for-four-hours-by-one-abusive-passenger-with-no-ticket-31563752.html

Kelvin Boye (30) - a data security analyst - held up mainline rail services for more than four hours as he falsely accused the inspector of asking for his ticket "because I am black".

After what was described as one of the worst "customer incidents" rail staff have had to deal with, Boye was taken off the train saying he had had his "moment of fame".

It was one of a series of incidents in which he either had no ticket or verbally abused staff.

Boye failed to appear at Dublin District Court, where Judge John O'Neill fined him €2,650 in his absence.

beauf

Seems a small fine for the massive amount of disruption.

loyatemu

is he banned from Irish Rail as well?

GM228

loyatemu wrote: »

is he banned from Irish Rail as well?

No!

GM228

Vic_08

whisky_galore wrote: »

In a perfect world, the fare evader could be sued for inconvenience and delay caused.

There is nothing to stop anyone who suffered a loss as a result of his actions from suing him for damages. Well nothing except the massive legal costs and slim chances of recovering enough from him even after a win.

beauf wrote: »

Seems a small fine for the massive amount of disruption.

IE should take a civil action against him to recover their losses and the ticket inspector would have a very good defamation case against him for publicly accusing him of being racist.

Same applies though, fat chance of ever cover the legal costs never mind actually recovering any damages.

tuisginideach

He didn't even turn up in court - maybe he was travelling by train and was delayed by another serial fare evader!

beauf

It doesn't seem much of a deterrent to future delays then.

LXFlyer

beauf wrote: »

It doesn't seem much of a deterrent to future delays then.

A €2.6K fine - that's hardly a small amount for anyone to have to pay?

beauf

If the fine is pursued.

GreatDefector

lxflyer wrote: »

A €2.6K fine - that's hardly a small amount for anyone to have to pay?

He's made a mint by not paying his fares ....

end of the road

beauf wrote: »

It doesn't seem much of a deterrent to future delays then.

nothing would be a deterrent. if one is the type to do this they will regardless

cython

loyatemu wrote: »

is he banned from Irish Rail as well?

GM228 wrote: »

No!

GM228

Sure even if he were, Irish Rail would have to actually have staff in stations to enforce it! Based on the address in the article, I can only assume he got the train from Coolmine, which is also my local station, and I can't remember the last time I actually saw the station staffed. Maybe there's someone there in the morning (the rare instances I get the train then I don't go via the building as I come from the other side of the line, but then he would also) but one could be forgiven for thinking that the shutters were automated in general.