Charleston shooting

Grayson

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/18/charleston-church-shooting-mayor-suspect-will-pay-the-price

I haven't seen another thread about this. A guy went to a prayer meeting, prayed with the people there for about an hour and then shot and killed 9.

That's fcuking messed up. It seems it is politically or racially motivated but there's not a lot of info.

darkpagandeath

Could just be easily someone with a beef with religion. But that does not sell papers or rabble rouse. Maybe catch the guy and find out ?

LDN_Irish

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Could just be easily someone with a beef with religion. But that does not sell papers or rabble rouse. Maybe catch the guy and find out ?

The radio said the police believe it's politically motivated. But that doesn't sell radios or something.

mikom

Seems like he was a Coen brothers fan.

darkpagandeath

LDN_Irish wrote: »

The radio said the police believe it's politically motivated. But that doesn't sell radios or something.

Are people psychic now ?

suicide_circus

Thoughts with the families.

Now with this be claimed as a race issue or gun control issue?

Bridge93

What I've heard is it was a black church congregation, one of the oldest and most famous in the South of the US and the gunman was white.

Mr.McLovin

more guns needed

darkpagandeath

Bridge93 wrote: »

What I've heard is it was a black church congregation, one of the oldest and most famous in the South of the US and the gunman was white.

Heard the same, Does not automatically make it a hate crime. As I said could be to do with Religion or any number of things. They have not even caught the guy, So unless they have information they are not releasing I will wait and see before announcing this or that.

The pastor/Reverend, who was among the dead, was a state senator.

racso1975

Bridge93 wrote: »

What I've heard is it was a black church congregation, one of the oldest and most famous in the South of the US and the gunman was white.

This is very true. So in that regard given the number of high profile "race" related news stories lately. Is there a race problem in the states or is it a social deprivation problem involving african americans?

whatstherush

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Heard the same, Does not automatically make it a hate crime. As I said could be to do with Religion or any number of things. They have not even caught the guy, So unless they have information they are not releasing I will wait and see before announcing this or that.

Considering he said the following "You're taking over our country. You have to go" I think it safe to assume he wasn't on about Christians.

This is pic of the suspect. Top flag on his jacket is old South African Flag.

:rolleyes:
NewsOnTheMin
BREAKING: Suspected South Carolina church shooter received a gun as a birthday present in April: uncle tells Reuters
6/18/15, 3:13 PM

frozenfrozen

https://twitter.com/NewsOnTheMin/status/611538342069542912

Looks like its a race thing maybe

wes

Looks likely to be a White Supremacist terrorist. I remember the last one carrying out an attack on a Sikh Temple.

porsche959

^ He looks like the "Falling Down" character's even angrier younger brother on a particularly bad day.

RollieFingers

A life sentence with no parole on a prison wing full of African American inmates is exactly what this sicko deserves!

Killer Wench

The Charleston Police Chief and The FBI have already identified this as a hate crime, but I'll just sit back and watch posters argue over how this wasn't a hate crime. Without historical or cultural context or knowledge.

FouxDaFaFa

Terrible for the congregation to have lost their pastor, the very person you would turn to for guidance and support at a time like this, in the attack.

That picture of the shooter made me very sad and uncomfortable. He's so young to be driven by so much hate. You'd wonder if he was a member of some kind of group where he absorbed all this rhetoric from older people or if he hid his views from everyone.

folamh

Custom time setting on Google search returns a mugshot from when he got arrested for trespassing in April: http://southcarolina.arrests.org/

FouxDaFaFa

The second flag on his jacket looks like the Nigerian flag, but he's hardly wearing a Nigerian flag?

Hande hoche!

whatstherush wrote: »

Considering he said the following "You're taking over our country. You have to go" I think it safe to assume he wasn't on about Christians.

This is pic of the suspect. Top flag on his jacket is old South African Flag.

Lower flag is that of Rhodesia.

Nodin

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Lower flag is that of Rhodesia.

...think that's enough to win over the jury on the race thing.

Radly

Killer Wench wrote: »

The Charleston Police Chief and The FBI have already identified this as a hate crime, but I'll just sit back and watch posters argue over how this wasn't a hate crime. Without historical or cultural context or knowledge.

Sure of course you're going to have a few 'winners' if you back every white on black crime as 'hate crime'. De'marquise Elkins ...cough...cough

Hande hoche!

Nodin wrote: »

...think that's enough to win over the jury on the race thing.

Pretty much. Plus only a white supremacist would have such an awful haircut.

LadyFenghuang

So sad he was obviously very ill and disturbed. He was given the gun as a gift apparently from an Uncle. I find that crazy. He has radical racist beliefs. One of the flags was a pre-aparthied south African flag. Very sad.

darkpagandeath

Nodin wrote: »

...think that's enough to win over the jury on the race thing.

Well the target could have been the senator, And comments about taking over the country. But that's not ruling out hate crime via race or religion either. Seems odd the guy stayed an hour in there like he was making sure of something.

masti123

Apparently he's been caught and is now in custody in North Carolina

Hande hoche!

masti123 wrote: »

Apparently he's been caught and is now in custody in North Carolina

Fair play to the cops, thought it might be another Eric Frein. Still expect some to suggest he wouldn't be taken alive if he was black.

pickarooney

Well it was hardly a love crime

PressRun

Apparently he sat in the church for nearly an hour before opening fire. He left a couple alive so they could tell everyone what he did. Bizarre, hateful stuff.

Racism very much alive and well in the States.

K4t

porsche959 wrote: »

^ He looks like the "Falling Down" character's even angrier younger brother on a particularly bad day.

Looks like Ramsay Bolton from Game of Thrones.

Killer Wench wrote: »

The Charleston Police Chief and The FBI have already identified this as a hate crime, but I'll just sit back and watch posters argue over how this wasn't a hate crime. Without historical or cultural context or knowledge.

Nothing wrong with crimes being termed hate crimes; there is a hell of a lot wrong with hate crimes being legislated for.

extra gravy

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHyxDuyUsAAzjWw.jpg

Today's bad timing award goes to the Charleston Post and Courier. The sticker at the top is a gun range coupon.

alchemist33

LadyFenghuang wrote: »

So sad he was obviously very ill and disturbed. He was given the gun as a gift apparently from an Uncle. I find that crazy. He has radical racist beliefs. One of the flags was a pre-aparthied south African flag. Very sad.

Or a racist psychopath. I haven't seen anything to suggest illness here.

The Diabolical Monocle

can afford guns, yet not a decent haircut.

that should be an official warning sign.

the_monkey

PressRun wrote: »

Apparently he sat in the church for nearly an hour before opening fire. He left a couple alive so they could tell everyone what he did. Bizarre, hateful stuff.

Racism very much alive and well in the States.

Yep, they have serious serious race issues there, needs to be addressed otherwise there will be a revolution

PressRun

alchemist33 wrote: »

Or a racist psychopath. I haven't seen anything to suggest illness here.

The first port of call often seems to be mental health when the shooting is carried out by a white person. If he was of a darker complexion, I'm sure the discussion would be very different.

LadyFenghuang

alchemist33 wrote: »

Or a racist psychopath. I haven't seen anything to suggest illness here.

Maybe all racists are mentally ill?

Junkyard Tom

Th irony that the black people's ancestors were brought to the US as slaves while his most likely chose to move there and wiped out millions of the real natives is totally lost on this murderous fucking nerd, no doubt.

topper75

I don't think the amount of melanin or lack thereof is going to change the smell of burning hair and flesh when he's been in the chair. All evil bastards the same to Lady Justice. She's no racist.

I noted the earlier statement from police that they had no reason to believe he was no longer in Charleston. Clearly they knew he had left and wanted to put him at a false sense of ease. This Shelby place is 240 miles away seemingly. I take my hat off to them.

porsche959

Killer Wench wrote: »

The Charleston Police Chief and The FBI have already identified this as a hate crime, but I'll just sit back and watch posters argue over how this wasn't a hate crime. Without historical or cultural context or knowledge.

Seems to me that the After Hours outrage brigade, you know, the ones that are always ranting about how political correctness is conspiring with the librul meeja to do them down and repress their rights, are notably silent on this case of mass murder by an alleged white perp where the victims were all black.

Harry Palmr

40 or so replies about this level of slaughter kinda sums up the sheer boredom we have with American shootings.

K4t

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

can afford guns, yet not a decent haircut.

Race will dominate the discussion, but gun control is the real problem.

the_monkey wrote: »

Yep, they have serious serious race issues there, needs to be addressed otherwise there will be a revolution

Do they? Fox News were very keen to play up the race and hate crime aspect, but all three interviewers went as quiet as mice when a black pastor briefly mentioned gun control during an interview early - they said absolutely nothing when the interview ended and cut to an ad for Fox "Fair and Balanced". :pac:

Harry Palmr

I'd say race was a real problem in the United States these days. Not to downplay guns obviously - but murderous thoughts are at the root of this not guns.

YFlyer

extra gravy wrote: »

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHyxDuyUsAAzjWw.jpg

Today's bad timing award goes to the Charleston Post and Courier. The sticker at the top is a gun range coupon.

That be perfect timing for them.

darkpagandeath

Obama grabbing the nettle of guns, pointing words used "Mass shooting like this don't happen in other advanced countries" or "With this frequency". Also said "Another person had no problem getting hold of a gun when they needed one". Not direct quotes just the jist.

topper75

porsche959 wrote: »

Seems to me that the After Hours outrage brigade, you know, the ones that are always ranting about how political correctness is conspiring with the librul meeja to do them down and repress their rights, are notably silent on this case of mass murder by an alleged white perp where the victims were all black.

I fear I may be a member of your imagined 'brigade' Sir!

I think the media is, on the whole, biased toward a liberal/left view in western countries sadly and I have no time for politically correct thinking.

There is no need to be outraged by this. It is one guy. I have already stated I'm delighted to see the bastard fry.

See the reason is - I'm not as bothered by skin colour as you, or indeed that Roof nut, is.

There is the usual ignorance of Irish people toward the American south and its people displayed on AH again. FFS somebody even chimed in with a reference to 'good ole boys' :eek::cool: My advice: get back to watching Deliverance, the Blues Brothers, or other such "documentaries". Or if you want to educate yourself and earn a valid opinion, save for a trip around the south.

Son Of A Vidic

PressRun wrote: »

The first port of call often seems to be mental health when the shooting is carried out by a white person. If he was of a darker complexion, I'm sure the discussion would be very different.

Oh you can be sure the narrative would be completely different.

Hande hoche!

He looks like a mixture between Adam Lanza and Martin Short.

K4t

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'd say race was a real problem in the United States these days. Not to downplay guns obviously - but murderous thoughts are at the root of this not guns.

Race is a problem but it's hardly ethnic cleansing either. It's an entirely isolated incident.

The root of the problem is most certainly guns - murderous thoughts alone expressed in that church means that white guy wakes up in hospital this morning, not a murderer.

Nodin

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Pretty much. Plus only a white supremacist would have such an awful haircut.

....it's a bad look, even for them.

darkpagandeath wrote:

Well the target could have been the senator, And comments about taking over the
country. But that's not ruling out hate crime via race or religion either. Seems
odd the guy stayed an hour in there like he was making sure of something.

Waiting for more to arrive...working up the nerve.....maybe praying to Aryan Jesus....

"According to federal law enforcement officials, the gunman made racist comments before he started shooting inside the church.
Roof sat in the back of the room for about an hour, these officials said, and some people in the Bible study group encouraged him to join the discussion. Before he began firing a semiautomatic handgun, Roof said something that the officials described as hateful racial epithets.
Officials said that the gunshots were fired at close range, rather than a random spray of gunfire across the room. There was no warning, no threat to the church, beforehand, the officials said."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/17/white-gunman-sought-in-shooting-at-historic-charleston-african-ame-church/?tid=sm_fb

He's been caught anyhoo.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/17/white-gunman-sought-in-shooting-at-historic-charleston-african-ame-church/