When does Summer start?

rainbow kirby

fryup wrote: »

anyone been for an outdoor swim yet?? sea or lake

seems chilly

Lake swim here last week, water a relatively pleasant 17c. Not in the absolute "I'm going to die without my wetsuit" stage any more.

I'm of the "summer starts in June" persuasion tbh.

riffmongous

Some people seem to be taking this a bit seriously..

I personally like the Irish system, as it's culturally and astronomically based. If I want to speak of the meteorological summer I will refer to it as so, and anyway the phenology is always changing so the start of summer will change each year

murpho999

riffmongous wrote: »

Some people seem to be taking this a bit seriously..

I personally like the Irish system, as it's culturally and astronomically based. If I want to speak of the meteorological summer I will refer to it as so, and anyway the phenology is always changing so the start of summer will change each year

The Irish system though is not a system, it's based on aincient ideas that no longer apply.

There is just no way that February is not Winter and August is not Summer.

riffmongous

murpho999 wrote: »

The Irish system though is not a system, it's based on aincient ideas that no longer apply.

There is just no way that February is not Winter and August is not Summer.

Meh, it makes more sense than saying that spring begins on march 1st for meteorological reasons, which is ridiculous

edit: which is why I prefer to say meteorological spring instead

murpho999

riffmongous wrote: »

Meh, it makes more sense than saying that spring begins on march 1st for meteorological reasons, which is ridiculous

edit: which is why I prefer to say meteorological spring instead

No just simply Spring begins in March.

No need to add the the meteorological part.

Why people think the Irish "system" is right and all the other countries with a Northern Hemisphere seasons are wrong is beyond me.

Eugene Norman

riffmongous wrote: »

Meh, it makes more sense than saying that spring begins on march 1st for meteorological reasons, which is ridiculous

edit: which is why I prefer to say meteorological spring instead

Where outside Ireland people say "Spring".

I said meteorologists think summer began in June 21st. In fact that's atronomical seasons, most meteorologists say June ( although not in the
U.S. where the season starts with the solistice).

If you think warmth rather than length of day September edges out May significantly in Ireland. The warmest months are June, July, August and September with highs in September on average the same as June.

murpho999

murpho999 wrote: »

No just simply Spring begins in March.

No need to add the the meteorological part.

Why people think the Irish "system" is right and all the other countries with a Northern Hemisphere seasons are wrong is beyond me.

The irish one just makes more sense. Like how can February be in winter, it's definitely spring or how can November not be winter?

murpho999

Khloe Mysterious Cerebellum wrote: »

The irish one just makes more sense. Like how can February be in winter, it's definitely spring or how can November not be winter?

Because they're not.

That's why February's are still cold etc (colder than November).

How can August and September not be Summer when it's often the best weather of the year.

billythefish99

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_calendar

biko

Feast of St. Brigid’s, 1st February, marks the start of spring.

Public_Enema

Paddy Cow wrote: »

When does Summer start?

Start? Some years it never even shows up.

cdeb

Senna wrote: »

To everyone who says February is Spring, is this just because you were told that in school or do you think it makes sense?

I say February is spring, because it makes sense.

Seasons aren't based on the weather - it's too variable here for that. They're based on the grand aul stretch in the evening (or lack thereof). So it stands to reason the mid-point of the seasons should be the equinox/solstice. As per the wiki link posted just above.

November clearly isn't autumn. August the evenings visibly start to shorten, so it's clearly the start of autumn, and so on.

In the US, the seasons start on the equinox/solstice, which is just weird.

And of course in other parts of the world, there don't really do winter/spring/summer/autumn - it's either raining or not. So clearly we don't need to be bound by what everyone else is doing.

PLL

Last year it was still quite mild in November so I look at it like this.

Autumn: Sep, Oct, Nov
Winter: Dec, Jan, Feb
Spring: Mar, Apr, May
Summer: June, July, Aug

May can't be summer it is all exams and study for the LC.. summer starts June when LC finishes and when the students starts the 3 months of their J1.

cdeb

PLL wrote: »

May can't be summer it is all exams

You might even say - summer exams?

Tin Foil Hat

billythefish99 wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_calendar

Seasonal lag explains why using the Gaelic Calender to define the seasons is, quite simply, wrong.
Just because ye were taught it in school, lads, doesn't mean that it's true.

cdeb

It doesn't explain why the Irish calendar is wrong because the Irish calendar is based on length of day, not temperature...

GLaDOS

It's only recently I realised Ireland was unusual in thinking summer starts in May, rest of the northern hemisphere goes with June. Makes sense as well tbh, August is generally warmer than May.

Cold War Kid

I guess it depends on what you go with: what you've been taught or what makes more sense to you.

1st of February as Spring seems bizarre to me. It's still winter at that stage, and will be well into March.

June is summer to me - May just seems like late Spring.

Over the last few years actually, it's just continued to be kinda wintry right into May - it hasn't really felt like there was any Spring.

August as autumn seems ludicrous. Even the first half of September can be very summery.

I wouldn't consider November autumn though - that's very much winter IMO. Some of October seems like winter to me also.
Autumn is a short window I think - mid September to mid October.

LadyFenghuang

When I go topless. Then YOU KNOW it's summer.

Eutow

LadyFenghuang wrote: »

When I go topless. Then YOU KNOW it's summer.

Ireland only has two and a half seasons. A windy, rainy, sort of cold/mild season - Nov - Apr (-2C to 10 C)

A warmer, less windy, still a rainy season - May - early Sep (10C to 25C)

Mid Sep to end of Oct, still too much rain (10C - 15C)

If going by the standard seasons it is:

Dec - Jan - Feb - Winter
Mar - Apr - May - Spring
June - July - Aug - Summer
Sep - Oct - Nov - Autumn

billythefish99

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Seasonal lag explains why using the Gaelic Calender to define the seasons is, quite simply, wrong.
Just because ye were taught it in school, lads, doesn't mean that it's true.

The calendar has nothing to do with temperature. The middle of summer is the longest day of the year, the middle of winter is the shortest day of the year. Makes perfect sense.

cbyrd

Seasonally spring starts on March 21st
Summer June 21st
Autumn September 21st
Winter December 21st

Calendarwise, spring Feb Mar Apr
Summer, may June July,
Autumn, August September October
Winter, November December January.

murpho999

cdeb wrote: »

I say February is spring, because it makes sense.

Seasons aren't based on the weather - it's too variable here for that. They're based on the grand aul stretch in the evening (or lack thereof). So it stands to reason the mid-point of the seasons should be the equinox/solstice. As per the wiki link posted just above.

November clearly isn't autumn. August the evenings visibly start to shorten, so it's clearly the start of autumn, and so on.

In the US, the seasons start on the equinox/solstice, which is just weird.

And of course in other parts of the world, there don't really do winter/spring/summer/autumn - it's either raining or not. So clearly we don't need to be bound by what everyone else is doing.

Seriously, you think that seasons are not based on weather? So do we get snow in August which is Autumn according to you or heatwaves in February which is Spring , of course we don't.

Our weather is not that variable, despite arguments here that we don't have much difference in seasons we do.

It's noticeable with crops, plants, migratory birds etc.

Ireland has 4 distinct seasons as we are in the temperate part of the world that has it. Other places that just have wet or dry are in the tropics, so it's a poor comparison.

Basing it on the "stretch of the evening" is looking at the system the wrong way.

I also find it amazing that only people in Ireland think this way and apparently all other countries are wrong on this.

GreaseGunner

Spring: March April
Summer: May June July August.
Autumn: September October November
Winter: December January February

That's my own personal calendar. Changes every year with the weather but I like to think that the summer isn't truly over on August 31st

billythefish99

murpho999 wrote: »

I also find it amazing that only people in Ireland think this way and apparently all other countries are wrong on this.

What difference does it make?

_Brian

kfallon wrote: »

About 4 o'clock today!

And be quick , it'll be over by 7:39 !

Tin Foil Hat

billythefish99 wrote: »

The calendar has nothing to do with temperature. The middle of summer is the longest day of the year, the middle of winter is the shortest day of the year. Makes perfect sense.

Only if you didn't bother to read about seasonal lag.

billythefish99 wrote: »

What difference does it make?

This reminds me of the joke about the mammy who went to watch her son march in a parade.
"How did he do?", she was asked later. "Great!", says she, "But all the other lads were out of step. Every single one of them."

Kalman

Summer begins with the summer solstice on Sunday, June 21, 2015 [The longest day]

Eugene Norman

billythefish99 wrote: »

The calendar has nothing to do with temperature. The middle of summer is the longest day of the year, the middle of winter is the shortest day of the year. Makes perfect sense.

Nobody in the rest of the world believes this. Maybe it's because Ireland has mild winters but of course in most places in the NH mid to late jan and early February is the coldest time of the year. Snow is on the ground.

Temperature is what matters when we are defining seasons.

Eugene Norman

Kalman wrote: »

Summer begins with the summer solstice on Sunday, June 21, 2015 [The longest day]

That's not generally accepted by Metreologists although it is astronomical summer. That said from the 21st June to 21st sept is most definitely the warmest part of the year. September is warmer than may.