Final Fantasy VII Remaster/Remake

Padre_Pio

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

The battle system is a lot of fun.

Some good character writing aside, though, FF7R manages to dilute all the original story beats through aggressive, overextended expansion of every little moment from the original game. Remake is a game nearly devoid of good pacing - not just the terrible dungeons which kill the game’s momentum stone dead, but a story that sacrifices the snappy pace of the original and just becomes a total slog.

There’s little sense of urgency when it takes you nearly half a bloody hour to rush up a collapsing tower, fighting a dozen grunts on every floor.

I'd like to see a mod that edits the story down.

Too much pointless dialog.

RedXIV

Padre_Pio wrote: »

I'd like to see a mod that edits the story down.

Too much pointless dialog.

Cloud: I was Soldier, First Class

Tifa: You were in your hole.

The End!


*** mod likely built by an irish man if this is the new dialog

The Phantom Pain

So I've reached the daytime section in chapter 3 and have left it there until my next session.

Here's my problem: a game this linear (so far) needs environmental variety and moments of downtime (like the one so far in chapter 3) because it doesn't have the usual open world activities to keep you distracted and control the pacing. It reminds me of the Mafia remake in that regard. This early in such a linear game I usually wouldn't worry about environmental variety but because both chapter 1 and 2 were kind of samey and felt longer than they should (chapter 2 was just boring waves of enemies) I'm worried.

This is one of those games I can only play a small doses, not for hours on end. With the Mafia remake I could play about 3 missions in a row before I had to stop. Here, I can only manage one chapter at a time so that I don't get burned out. Not a good sign.

I hate to say it but so far this looks like a classic case of the old school fans raving about their favourite game whilst not considering how a newbie to the series would perceive it in isolation and in today's climate.

Zero-Cool

This was my most played games last year at 105 hours. Back to back playthroughs and then some trophy cleanup for the platinum and loved every second (bar getting all the dresses, that was a bit of a balls.

I never felt the endless dungeon like sections as i found the combat so much fun and hard mode was a great challenge. Loved the character depth added, the graphics (except for the dodgy plate background), music, bosses and nuts ending. I'd love to play again if there was some dlc or some part of the game i didn't try. Would definitely play through again if it came to ps plus but i doubt it will.

Here's hoping we get even a whiff of ep 2 news soon but I've a feeling it's a long way off.

johnny_ultimate

The Phantom Pain wrote:

I hate to say it but so far this looks like a classic case of the old school fans raving about their favourite game whilst not considering how a newbie to the series would perceive it in isolation and in today's climate.

This is very different to Mafia remake, though: this is a totally different game to the original. The basic structure, aesthetics, characters and plot beats are there in remixed form... but this feels and plays radically differently. It’s hard to take it on its own terms as it is in a one-way dialogue with its predecessor all the time, but this is absolutely not the FF7 I played as a kid with fancier graphics. It’s an entirely different beast.

The Phantom Pain

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

This is very different to Mafia remake, though: this is a totally different game to the original. The basic structure, aesthetics, characters and plot beats are there in remixed form... but this feels and plays radically differently. It’s hard to take it on its own terms as it is in a one-way dialogue with its predecessor all the time, but this is absolutely not the FF7 I played as a kid with fancier graphics. It’s an entirely different beast.

And that's fine but if the only way this remake can be appreciated is when being constantly peaked at with the original in its rear view mirror then that's not really a good sign.

The Mafia remake may not stray too far from its roots but it's still a fun game on its own terms, perhaps because it doesn't feel like the missions have been stretched out.

Sieghardt

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

This is very different to Mafia remake, though: this is a totally different game to the original. The basic structure, aesthetics, characters and plot beats are there in remixed form... but this feels and plays radically differently. It’s hard to take it on its own terms as it is in a one-way dialogue with its predecessor all the time, but this is absolutely not the FF7 I played as a kid with fancier graphics. It’s an entirely different beast.

Let's be real, it's Kingdom Hearts: Final Fantasy 7

one armed dwarf

I'm an old fan, the only thing I really liked about this game is the combat and some occasional story beats. I think having the original in 'rear view' just unfortunately highlights how much better paced that game was and particularly how it introduced Sephiroth into the story.

FFVII Remake is a really boring game where very little meaningful happens (because it is adapting about 5 hours from a 35-40 hour game) and for some reason the graphics are kind of ****e. But that combat system, wow they really nailed it.

johnny_ultimate

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

And that's fine but if the only way this remake can be appreciated is when being constantly peaked at with the original in its rear view mirror then that's not really a good sign.

It’s indeed not a good sign, because the new game’s ****e (except for the fighting system)

I’d recommend giving the original game a go: while it has certainly aged over the years, it’s still a lively, energetic and pacy game where this is sluggish and overlong.

The Phantom Pain

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

It’s indeed not a good sign, because the new game’s ****e (except for the fighting system)

I’d recommend giving the original game a go: while it has certainly aged over the years, it’s still a lively, energetic and pacy game where this is sluggish and overlong.

I probably will at some point on my PS4 (I can't find my playstation 1 cables and I probably wouldn't be able to get the original format anyway) provided that this one doesn't sour me on the whole thing before I do I'm rooting for it to improve because the graphics are great and I loved Final Fantasy XV. This Cloud guy is alright but I miss Noct.

Retr0gamer

As some one that triggers people on here by pointing out that FF7 isn't the greatest game of all time and has a myriad of flaws, I sincerely hope that playing the remake doesn't put you off the original game because it's a fantastic game and well worth playing. I recently played through it with the fan translation and thoroughly enjoyed it. The original game is so well paced and moves at such a fast clip that it's constantly interesting and keeps your attention. It basically gets through in 3 hours what the Remake stretches thin over 40.

Zero-Cool

Retr0gamer wrote: »

As some one that triggers people on here by pointing out that FF7 isn't the greatest game of all time and has a myriad of flaws, I sincerely hope that playing the remake doesn't put you off the original game because it's a fantastic game and well worth playing. I recently played through it with the fan translation and thoroughly enjoyed it. The original game is so well paced and moves at such a fast clip that it's constantly interesting and keeps your attention. It basically gets through in 3 hours what the Remake stretches thin over 40.

piwyudo0fhn57b

Remake is beautiful!

McFly85

I was loving Remake right until the end. That ending was complete garbage.

Mr.Fantastic

McFly85 wrote: »

I was loving Remake right until the end. That ending was complete garbage.

Same ! Was just like what

Icyseanfitz

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Brilliant

The Phantom Pain

Looks like I lost heart just as the game was about to get good. Still on chapter 3 and have been running around completing side quests. Also really like the RPG mechanics such as materia and weapon management/upgrades; has quite a bit of depth. The Chadley boy provides challenges to strive for which should also encourage self-imposed combat variety to keep it fresh. If the game keeps juggling this many plates throughout then I should be in for a good time.

The Phantom Pain

It's hard not to love Tifa, she's so adorable but, "we need to go before they wake up." I'm sorry, are we to believe we're somehow not killing all those guards we're slicing and dicing with our weapons, just putting them to sleep??? Don't make me laugh.

I have a quick question: I'm sure I recall the game saying that if you level up a materia to max you no longer have to equip it and that the power is yours forever. Is that correct?

YouSavedMyLife

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

It's hard not to love Tifa, she's so adorable but, "we need to go before they wake up." I'm sorry, are we to believe we're somehow not killing all those guards we're slicing and dicing with our weapons, just putting them to sleep??? Don't make me laugh.

I have a quick question: I'm sure I recall the game saying that if you level up a materia to max you no longer have to equip it and that the power is yours forever. Is that correct?

Incorrect
If you level an ability on a weapon its yours forever and you can then swap to another weapon. Materia you need to equip for their effects. When you max a materia out you get a copy of it starting from level 1.

The Phantom Pain

YouSavedMyLife wrote: »

Incorrect
If you level an ability on a weapon its yours forever and you can then swap to another weapon.

EDIT: Never mind, I get it now, it's the proficiency level with the weapon's ability which can then be used on other weapons once it reaches 100%.

Materia you need to equip for their effects. When you max a materia out you get a copy of it starting from level 1.

Ok, thanks.


I'm on chapter 4 now and just defeated those wraith things. I'm enjoying it a lot more now that I'm getting into the depth of the combat and because I'm warming to the characters. Still think it needs a lot of editing though.

btw I was surprised at how easy the darts game was but then that's probably because I know how to play darts. Got a nice little trophy for being top dog too and a materia reward for it.

RedXIV

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

btw I was surprised at how easy the darts game was but then that's probably because I know how to play darts. Got a nice little trophy for being top dog too and a materia reward for it.

yeah the darts is the warmup. its the pull ups you gotta watch for

Zero-Cool

RedXIV wrote: »

yeah the darts is the warmup. its the pull ups you gotta watch for

Holy ****, me going on about loving every second but i forgot about the pull up trophy, the hardest boss fight in the game!

Vicxas

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Holy ****, me going on about loving every second but i forgot about the pull up trophy, the hardest boss fight in the game!

Christ the pull up one is KILLER!

Worse than that boss fight we wont talk about.

The Phantom Pain

Bloody hell, chapter 8 just wouldn't end!!! When it did I didn't even get that satisfying fade-to-black; it just transitioned into the next cut scene making it feel like the same chapter...

I've just reached the wall market now and I'm now able to play a few chapters at a time which means I'm probably enjoying it more. It's still very bloated with unnecessary mini cut scenes interrupting the flow at every turn with banter that could easily take place as the GANG ARE running on the way to their next objective.

Progression and difficulty seems well balanced though. Shiva in VR was the first boss that actually made me re-evaluate my materia management but she was easy to whittle down once I made some adjustments and grabbed Aireth. Speaking of Aireth, she's a great character but I'm not quite getting to grips with her skill set... maybe I just need to explore ways to get the best out of her but so far she's my least favourite to control. My personal favourite in battle is Tifa.

That said, Cloud x Aireth FTW

Vicxas

Tifa is fantastic, her combos are the best in game

The Phantom Pain

Just started chapter 13.

Jessie

Chapter 9/Wall market is probably my favourite level so far just because it has a lot of variety and isn't just long corridor, cut scene, long corridor, cut scene, long corridor, flip switch, cut scene, long corridor, climb ladder, cut scene.
The dancing and the game's oohing and aahing at Aerith's

(and Cloud's)

makeover is one of those things that makes me think FF is targeted at pre-teen Japanese girls. I wondered this when I was playing as a four-piece boy band in FF15 trying to get their bro-prince married to the princess and now there's really no doubt. Unabashedly camp. Love it.

Also, it's amusing how Aerith and Tifa went from fakey fake, "yay! Girl power. Stick it to the chauvinist pig!" to turning into Monica and Brandy singing, The Boy is Mine real quick. The women in this game are all sex crazed children.


Question: I'm assuming you can't get max SP for all your weapons on the first playthrough, even with books?

Creamy Goodness

The Phantom Pain wrote: »

Question: I'm assuming you can't get max SP for all your weapons on the first playthrough, even with books?

Some of the books are only available in hard mode.

Retr0gamer

With Kingdom Hearts going Epic Store timed exclusive I can see this being an exclusive there when it comes to PC around April.

RedXIV

Retr0gamer wrote: »

With Kingdom Hearts going Epic Store timed exclusive I can see this being an exclusive there when it comes to PC around April.

First thing I thought of when I saw that news too.

Wonder how much Epic have poured into this launcher now. I've bought one game from them and have about 30 games in my library from them

The Phantom Pain

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

Some of the books are only available in hard mode.

OK, so can you max out a weapon's upgrades during hard mode then?