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Weapons Culture in Ireland
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To start Ireland has the most restrictive "FIREARMS" (not weapons unless used in a crime) laws within Europe- be it pepper spray, knife, etc. Actually, I'm not sure of the legalities of that, so feel free to not answer that question if you don't want to!
Pepper spray is covered under the Firearms Act 1925 amended 2000 where its claseed as a Firearm that cannot be licenced as its prohibited (only guards/army/navy can have it). Carrying a knife without cause means your carrying a weapon and possibly with intent, a builder carrying a stanley knife for work purposes is ok but in a pub or nightclub will result in arrest.we're thinking of getting a pair of .22 rifles so we can go shooting pigeons together. Never fired a gun before,
You will never learn all the laws but understanding of the basics will prevent you from been arrested from braking the law (the basics is alot)swiftblade wrote: »Shooting a .22 into trees is a no, no.
As stated on most .22lr boxes, a round can travel upto 1.3km, it all depends on angle of shot/weather conditions (altitude humidity height above sea level) plus the .22lr is most prone to ricochet than any other round, so if its not on the ground with a safe background then you dont take the shot. Never could quite figure out why I shot so much better left handed, even though I am right handed. Weird that !
You are probably left eye dominant so shooting right handed is a disadvantage to you, gets more tricky with right handed shooters who are left eye dominant with a right hand shotgunIf you don't also have a licence for it, then you're not even allowed hold it legally speaking. If you were both on an authorised range it's a different story but just out in a field, you shouldnt be holding it. Sometimes it's necessary, if two lads are out shooting with their own guns for example and they need to cross a fence, one might unload the gun and hand it to the other guy to hold while he crosses it and then they'll switch to let him cross, that's necessary from a safety standpoint but legally speaking, they are breaking the law unless they have licences for the other gun they're holding. That's an example of the type of laws you deal with when you get into shooting.
Another example is that the spent brass/shell from a bullet/shotgun cartridge being fired is considered a live round of ammunition and being caught with one unless you have a licence for it is illegal. So if you were walking through a field where someone had fired a gun and you found a piece of brass or a shell and you picked it up and brought it home just as a curiosity, you have broken the law.
All the above is true plus someIrishTrajan wrote: »Not so, quite a lot of criminals have guns. Wasn't there estimates of 250,000+ unregistered firearms in the country?
in the UK, they banned firearms. Firearm-related incidents dropped, but knife-crime rose to almost a parity of pre-ban firearm incidents) and the extremism of both wings.
I think it was 150,000 but that was from a report done within Europe without any check within Ireland but based on Illegal Guns recovered across Europe divided by the amount of people per country so it could be more or less but chances within Ireland are more
The UK only banned certain types of Firearms at a huge cost to the state (think it was
over 100million sterling)
If people within the republic had to abide to the same laws as the North then Centrefire pistols would no longer be banned here and the reloading of ammo within a persons home would also be allowed.
There are several thousand Centrefire handguns licenced up North but are banned down here as of 2009.
Those who had a centrefire pistol previous to 2009 have had to go to the high court after they were refused by the cheif superintendent in their district, too date ~700 cases have been taken against the AGS who refused to licence short arms to those entitled to apply for them where AGS have lost costing the tax payer millions
Those legal firearms shooters in the North are allowed to relaoad at home where only a select few (less than 50) are allowed to reload here in a club bunker only, whereas most EU countries reloading to prevent thief's robbing loaded ammunition
Right now the AGS are looking to restrict Firearm ownership even more and have published false figures (even the MOJ admits they are false) and claimed that stolen pistols were used in the murder of the Corbally brothers yet the pistols were not licenced but issued to members to the PSNI then stolen but yet use these as examples of handguns stolen within the Rep. of Ireland
In the 1970s the Guards asked firearms owners to hand in their firearms for 1 month due to the troubles, when these owners went to get their Firearms back they were told that their licence had expired and would no longer be issued with a licence (expect for 12guage,.22lr.22swift,.22-250), it wasnt until over 2 decades later that a court case was taken where the Guards were found to have acted illegally by not issuing licences to those who were entitled to them
From the last figure ive seen firearms licences contribute 5.6million to the economy just for a licence let alone purchase of the firearm, security,accessories,clothing,ammunition,range fees/targets for the range plus travel expenses/tax/test/insurance/fuel0 -
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I'm curious as to Boardies opinions on it.
Have you ever fired a gun?
Actually, have you ever SEEN a working gun?
Have you ever carried a weapon when walking alone - be it pepper spray, knife, etc. Actually, I'm not sure of the legalities of that, so feel free to not answer that question if you don't want to!
Would you like to be able to freely carry a weapon?
Do you have any training in weapons?
Would you be more or less comfortable with a more openly "weaponised" society, more freedom to own a gun or carry it, the police being more likely to be armed - and consequently, more criminal gun!
Yes I have and still fire various wepons several different shotguns rifles and also a hand gun
I fired a shotgun for the first time at about 14/15 I think clay pigeon shooting (a lot of my family in a club so got me into it early)
Yes got some training
No to openly weaponised community no Need to change I have a gun liecence and am happy to jump trough all the hoops you don't want a system that anybody can get a legal firearm but think more gardai should be armed more anyway tho to easy to get illegal and very highpowerd weapons for criminals0 -
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Just a little Samba wrote: »The .308 and 2 of the shotguns live in the same house as a batsh*t crazy grandparent who is known to also hunt deer and small boar with a compound bow when there's a cull on.
That is quite possibly the most awesome sentence I've heard all week.IrishTrajan wrote: »Why is that? Every statistic points to gun control not impacting gun crime in any meaningful way (economic circumstances, general crime rates and better indicators). The FBI have said the affect of their bans has not had any measurable affect, iirc.
I'm interested in some of the conversation going on up above there about legality/criminal gun ownership, etc. It does seem to me that we really can't compare the situation in the US to the situation here. Guns have been a part of US culture and legal in the US for a very long time. Any Federal gun laws that try to restrict gun ownership in the US is going to have to deal with problems that Ireland just doesn't have. The guns are already out in the population for a start. It is a hell of a lot harder to get guns -back- than it is to prevent them getting into the population to start with. I'm not sure we can really point to US attempts at gun control and say that it doesn't work in general, when we're comparing them to a country that has never had a high gun ownership percentage.0 -
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Have you ever fired a gun?
Yes, many times. I have shot many different types of pistols, shotguns and rifles.
I am a target shooting enthusiast, I shoot most weekends.Have you ever carried a weapon when walking alone - be it pepper spray, knife, etc. Actually, I'm not sure of the legalities of that, so feel free to not answer that question if you don't want to!
No.Would you like to be able to freely carry a weapon?
No.Do you have any training in weapons?
I have participated a number of firearms courses.
I have also run some basic firearms safety courses on a voluntary basis for my local target shooting club.Would you be more or less comfortable with a more openly "weaponised" society, more freedom to own a gun or carry it, the police being more likely to be armed - and consequently, more criminal gun use.
Definitely not.Civilian gun use seems to lead to a rapid increase in criminal arms use, and guns in Ireland are still, at the moment, relatively rare.
When it comes to sporting firearms I strongly disagree.
Ireland "enjoys" some of the most restrictive firearms laws in the world.
In Ireland civilians can only have licensed firearms for two reasons, target shooting and hunting. We are not the type of people that get involved in criminality, if there was the slightest suggestion of this our firearms would be taken form us (and rightly so).
If Ireland were to permit people to carry firearms and use them as weapons for "self defence" it would be a whole different ball game that would in my opinion lead to an escalation in gun crime and violence in general.
Compared to most EU countries such as the UK, France etc. we have very few, but there are still over 200,000 firearms licensed to civilians in the ROI.0
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