Cop freed by judge,unbelievable.***Graphic Video in OP***

Hagar7

Please do not view this unless you are prepared to be shocked,viewers may find the scenes very disturbing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ZwvYqMRhQ

The story.
On August 11, 2014, Dillon Taylor walked out of a local Salt Lake City, Utah, convenience store minding his own business. He wasn't armed. He wasn't committing a crime. He was listening to music on his headphones, probably in his own world. Just two days after Officer Darren Wilson shot and killed an unarmed Mike Brown in Ferguson, Taylor would soon face a similar fate at the hands of a local officer. And on October 1, the district attorney in Salt Lake City, Sim Gill, ruled that the killing of 20-year-old Taylor was justified. Even in his determination, though, he stated that "Taylor's shooting was justified not because he posed an actual threat, but because (Officer) Cruz reasonably perceived a threat."
Now that the full video has been released, it's disturbingly clear that nothing about this police shooting was justified. Nothing at all.
At 0:17, Officer Bron Cruz gets out of his vehicle. You will notice people confused by his presence.
At 0:22, Officer Cruz walks past two men who were friends with Dillon Taylor.
At 0:24, Officer Cruz walks behind Taylor, who has on a white T-shirt and is listening to music.
At 0:33, we see the officer has his gun drawn and is yelling at Taylor, who's holding his sagging pants up and does not appear to hear Cruz.


At 0:36, the officer shoots Taylor. It would be fatal.
Starting at 0:41, you will notice the headphone cord coming out of Taylor's pocket.
At 0:48, you will see that the headphones were clearly going up to Taylor's ears.
At 0:52, the officer asks Dillon to "give me your hands," but Taylor is already near death. His friends begin screaming and crying in the background.
At 1:03, the officer handcuffs Taylor.
At 1:48, the officer turns Taylor over, the headphones are visible, and the officer states "it's clear"—meaning that Taylor was actually unarmed.
At 2:54, the officer turns Taylor completely over, keeping him handcuffed, and begins talking to him and trying to get him to talk. Taylor appears nearly dead and is completely covered in blood.
At 4:56, the officer is rummaging through Taylor's pockets instead of providing any first aid.

vicwatson

Jaysus a lot of text my man and in bold

TheMilkyPirate

Disgusting thing to happen.

RIP

SEPT 23 1989

Didnt get his hands out

Elmer Blooker

I only opened this thread to see what country this happened in.......

TheMilkyPirate

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Didnt get his hands out

He had his ****ing headphones in.

And anyway the normal response to that is to shoot him dead?

cml387

More context needed. Why was the officer called to the restaurant?

dickwod1

Daily occurance now in the states, terrible to see, check out "The advice show" on youtube.

Captain Chaos

Question is why was he walking away from the cops and not stop. Regardless of headphones there is no way he did not hear being shouted at.

It does look like the officer had his finger on the trigger when he should not have and squeezed when he lost his temper. Clearly in the wrong.

SEPT 23 1989

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

He had his ****ing headphones in.

And anyway the normal response to that is to shoot him dead?

im not defending the cop

but America now has a more military than police force on the streets

when they say jump you say how high

have the public not copped onto this?

Smiles35

cml387 wrote: »

More context needed. Why was the officer called to the restaurant?

Armed man reported in the area, he matched the description somehow aswell.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Taking context into account it's more a damning indictment of gun culture in the states than the individual cop I think. How many hundreds of young men are going to die over that completely fcuked situation in the coming decades, it's relentless.

Jesus, that was shocking.

If this was a third world police force executing people in the streets, the UN would be called on to take action.

Why not in America? This is a daily occurrence and there are many YouTube videos showing the same thing over and over again.

Samaris

I watched the first bit of the video, mostly because I read several differing accounts, some blaming the kid, some not. Didn't want to see the rest for obvious reasons.

The police were called due to a report of three men flashing a handgun in the area. No description of these men have been released that I know of. Taylor, the 20-year-old that was shot, was walking away from two others, a cousin and a friend, by reports, and I assume the cop figured it was probably them being referred to. He walks past the two others and goes after Taylor, perhaps just to corral him before turning back to the others (?). Taylor does seem to be oblivious, and it is quite possible that no, he really didn't notice, if his music was loud and he was filtering out other sounds. I can be pretty oblivious to being yelled at if I'm enjoying a particular bit of music, especially if wearing long earbuds rather than a headset. They just seem to filter out surrounding noise better. He does turn, and doesn't react. His hands do seem to be low, but I couldn't quite make out what he was doing. He seemed to be pretty still. The cop shoots him several times. His earbuds are pretty visible, but I couldn't go on with the video after the cop rolled him over. It just seemed horrendously callous.

Quite honestly, I reckon he froze at seeing a gun pointed at him and just didn't react quickly enough. He didn't look to be a threat. With the other two "accomplices" behind the cop, shooting him doesn't seem to be a sensible thing to do anyway - what if it was one of them that had the supposed gun?

The whole thing seems to disgraceful. And, unfortunately, endemic.

Hagar7

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Question is why was he walking away from the cops and not stop. Regardless of headphones there is no way he did not hear being shouted at.

It does look like the officer had his finger on the trigger when he should not have and squeezed when he lost his temper. Clearly in the wrong.

Even if the cop had tazered the guy then surely that would have been much better than a shoot to kill,or to even shoot him in the leg at worst.

Is it any wonder that there's so many riots in America when you see this happening.

Witcher

He's walking along, sees the cop car pull up, turns on his heels..walks away and puts his hand down the front of his trousers where the cop can't see, he then turns and replies to an order to show his hands with 'Nah fool' (earphones weren't impeding his hearing obviously) instead of 'ok, I'm bringing my hands out, don't shoot' and then makes a sudden movement with his hand.

I'm not saying it's right but you'll get that response in the US if you do that.

Witcher

Hagar7 wrote: »

Even if the cop had tazered the guy then surely that would have been much better than a shoot to kill,or to even shoot him in the leg at worst.

Is it any wonder that there's so many riots in America when you see this happening.

Always comes up in these threads, no police force on Earth shoots somebody that is posing a direct threat to them in the leg or any extremity, it's always centre mass. It isn't the movies, Dirty Harry may have intentionally wounded Scorpio in the leg from across a football field but this is the real world.

KKkitty

Not going to watch the link but when is this going to stop? Obviously this young man showed no threat but yet again a dimwit cop thinks it's justifiable to shoot without just cause. Are some police officers in the US missing a few brain cells?

Samaris

Strider wrote: »

He's walking along, sees the cop car pull up, turns on his heels..walks away and puts his hand down the front of his trousers where the cop can't see, he then turns and replies to an order to show his hands with 'Nah fool' (earphones weren't impeding his hearing obviously) instead of 'ok, I'm bringing my hands out, don't shoot' and then makes a sudden movement with his hand.

I'm not saying it's right but you'll get that response in the US if you do that.

The original report in 2014 did give the "nah, fool" comment, that was later retracted. The video evidence does show he didn't say anything, as you later hear the cop say "what the hell were you reaching for, man". So no, there's no real evidence that Taylor -did- hear him.

Eugene Norman

What is the continuing obsession with the U.S.? None of this is, or should be, news here.

Hagar7

Strider wrote: »

Always comes up in these threads, no police force on Earth shoots somebody that is posing a direct threat to them in the leg or any extremity, it's always centre mass. It isn't the movies, Dirty Harry may have intentionally wounded Scorpio in the leg from across a football field but this is the real world.

But he WASNT posing a threat,was he?

Samaris

Actually, I should have said "you reportedly hear.." etc. Didn't see that far.

Eh. It's world news. We do talk about stuff that's not directly relating to Ireland.

Mr_Muffin

"C'mon, stick with me, stick with me man!" after shooting him lol.

Can police offices not also have a tazer with them or do they?

Little CuChulainn

Hagar7 wrote: »

But he WASNT posing a threat,was he?

The law on self defence is based on the perception of the person claiming it. It's not about wether there was a threat but wether it was reasonable for the person to believe there was. Another example would be a homeowner shooting an intruder in the middle of the night and the intruder turns out to be a family member. The law on self defence would still apply even though the family member was not a threat.

Witcher

Hagar7 wrote: »

But he WASNT posing a threat,was he?

Never said he was posing a threat, I laid out the steps that led to him getting shot, doing as he did...in America..will get you shot.

Nobody is saying it's right but that is how the culture is in the US, the police in the US do not wait until they see a gun so don't do anything that might make them think you're concealing one.

alchemist33

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

The law on self defence is based on the perception of the person claiming it. It's not about wether there was a threat but wether it was reasonable for the person to believe there was. Another example would be a homeowner shooting an intruder in the middle of the night and the intruder turns out to be a family member. The law on self defence would still apply even though the family member was not a threat.

And that's the critical thing here. From looking at the video, it doesn't look too reasonable to me. Another poster said you've got to what a cop says in the US or this might happen, but hell, how fast do you have to move to comply? If I turned and found a cop pointing a gun at me, I'd be in shock for a few seconds at least.

DEFTLEFTHAND

KKkitty wrote: »

Not going to watch the link but when is this going to stop? Obviously this young man showed no threat but yet again a dimwit cop thinks it's justifiable to shoot without just cause. Are some police officers in the US missing a few brain cells?

The perceived threat was the victim reaching into his pockets and back of his pants where a weapon could have been concealed. A horrific death for the young man but you can't start playing with a cop in the US when he has gun drawn on you.

Eugene Norman

Samaris wrote: »

Actually, I should have said "you reportedly hear.." etc. Didn't see that far.

Eh. It's world news. We do talk about stuff that's not directly relating to Ireland.

It's a killing by a cop in a country thousands of miles away. Nothing extraordinary by world standards. Relevant only to that country. Similar shootings anywhere else don't get any coverage in Ireland.

Little CuChulainn

alchemist33 wrote: »

And that's the critical thing here. From looking at the video, it doesn't look too reasonable to me. Another poster said you've got to what a cop says in the US or this might happen, but hell, how fast do you have to move to comply? If I turned and found a cop pointing a gun at me, I'd be in shock for a few seconds at least.

I think he would have fared better if he'd moved slower. Pulling your hand out of your clothing really fast while a cop is pointing a gun at you is going to get you shot. There is no other outcome.

Eugene Norman

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I think he would have fared better if he'd moved slower. Pulling your hand out of your clothing really fast while a cop is pointing a gun at you is going to get you shot. There is no other outcome.

Really. I'd say you'd be safe in London.

Junkyard Tom

You can watch the video in slo-mo if you go to 'settings'.

I think the cop's actions were justified given the context and I'd be considered a liberal-lefty-PC-brigade type by the usual crowd of authority loving goons.

Hagar7

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The perceived threat was the victim reaching into his pockets and back of his pants where a weapon could have been concealed. A horrific death for the young man but you can't start playing with a cop in the US when he has gun drawn on you.

If I was walking down a street and turned around to find a cop ready to shoot me,I'd probably faint before he could shoot me.

Witcher

alchemist33 wrote: »

And that's the critical thing here. From looking at the video, it doesn't look too reasonable to me. Another poster said you've got to what a cop says in the US or this might happen, but hell, how fast do you have to move to comply? If I turned and found a cop pointing a gun at me, I'd be in shock for a few seconds at least.

Moving fast is probably more likely to get you shot.

KKkitty

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The perceived threat was the victim reaching into his pockets and back of his pants where a weapon could have been concealed. A horrific death for the young man but you can't start playing with a cop in the US when he has gun drawn on you.

I understand that but whether it's the way they're perceived here, they seem too trigger happy. Shoot first, ask no questions later. Even if this man was concealing a weapon the cop had the upper hand in that he had his gun ready to fire.

Hagar7

Junkyard Cat wrote: »

You can watch the video in slo-mo if you go to 'settings'.

I think the cop's actions were justified given the context and I'd be considered a liberal-lefty-PC-brigade type by the usual crowd of authority loving goons.

Well I'm a goon then.!!!

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I think he would have fared better if he'd moved slower. Pulling your hand out of your clothing really fast while a cop is pointing a gun at you is going to get you shot. There is no other outcome.

I don't think he's pulling his hands out particularly fast, perfectly possible that he was going to raise them. If I had earphones in, turned around and found a cop pointing a gun at me I imagine I'd be confused, the adrenaline would be pumping and I'd be thinking "I better do what he says quickly". It's easy for us to sit thousands of miles away and go "I would have acted completely different in that situation", but none of us has a clue how we'd act. Sadly what happened to that man could have happened to anyone, nothing he did makes him the one to blame in that situation.

Little CuChulainn

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Really. I'd say you'd be safe in London.

He wasn't in London though.

Alicia Fierce Luggage wrote: »

I don't think he's pulling his hands out particularly fast, perfectly possible that he was going to raise them. If I had earphones in, turned around and found a cop pointing a gun at me I imagine I'd be confused, the adrenaline would be pumping and I'd be thinking "I better do what he says quickly". It's easy for us to sit thousands of miles away and go "I would have acted completely different in that situation", but none of us has a clue how we'd act. Sadly what happened to that man could have happened to anyone, nothing he did makes him the one to blame in that situation.

It's not about blaming the victim, it's about determining the culpability of the shooter. Sometimes there is no blame. A lot of people can't accept that.

Arsemageddon

Eugene Norman wrote: »

It's a killing by a cop in a country thousands of miles away. Nothing extraordinary by world standards. Relevant only to that country. Similar shootings anywhere else don't get any coverage in Ireland.

Pretty sure the shootings of Jean Charles de Menzies and Mark Duggan in London were reported here by the media.

The reason that these kind of shootings in the US are commented on so much is because of the frequency which they occur compared to Europe and the increasing availability of video footage. Also worth noting that we are culturally very similar - yanks speak the same language as us (well, sort of) and have a similar legal system.

Saying we shouldn't be discussing events because they happen far away is just nonsense. If you don't want to discuss it or think it's relevant then why bother posting in the thread?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

It's not about blaming the victim, it's about determining the culpability of the shooter. Sometimes there is no blame. A lot of people can't accept that.

I agree that the cop's action is understandable given the context, but saying things like "pulling your hand out of your clothing really fast is going to get you shot" is blaming the victim, especially when that's not what he did. I just reached for my cup of tea as fast as he moved his hands there

Little CuChulainn

Alicia Fierce Luggage wrote: »

I agree that the cop's action is understandable given the context, but saying things like "pulling your hand out of your clothing really fast is going to get you shot" is blaming the victim, especially when that's not what he did. I just reached for my cup of tea as fast as he moved his hands there

I wasn't blaming the victim. I was just stating a fact.

Damien360

Report of someone with a gun, cop turns up. Possible assailant turned to face the cop when shouted at. He saw him. Not sure if he is stunned or does not care but he moved and the cop feared he was armed and it looked plausible. If a cop points a gun at you, I assume you would freeze and await instruction. He did not do that.

Gun violence by criminals is endemic and is met with the same level of ferocity by the cops.

What I find odd is the lack of care about this. Very slow news about this. He is a white cop killing a white man. White killing black and there would be riots in that city.

nc19

TheMilkyPirate wrote:

He had his ****ing headphones in.

TheMilkyPirate wrote:

And anyway the normal response to that is to shoot him dead?

In murica it is.......land of the free

DoYouEvenLift

Lol @ American cops, some of them are absolute retards. Clearly they need to introduce a higher barrier of entry into the police force there and also have some kind of common sense/reaction/observational tests annually or something. Some of them who come into even the slightest bit of confrontation can't think clearly and lose the run of themselves.


I remember another video where a cop shot a guy in the back of the car just for moving because the cop was so on edge and then he started shouting at the guy, who he had just shot and was obviously not able to move, to get out of the car. I'm surprised some of these guys can function in normal, everyday life.

SpaceTime

The U.S. appears to have an absolutely massive problem with out of control policing.

Some shocking statistics - the U.S. police forces shot and killed more people in the month of March than the UK police forces (Northern Ireland troubles and all) killed in the entire 20th century!!

Unfortunately, it seems the place is just heading towards being a police state between this and out of control security services.

Call Me Jimmy

I dunno, it just seems too easy to get killed by cop over there. A lesson: don't listening to music while walking around anymore, you need to be able to hear cop's instructions while he points a gun at your back.

Tell me he matched a description at least other than 'young male'

Smiles35

Something on the his facebook about being kicked out of a house and being moved on by cops from another. Think he said ''I'm not moving'' to the cop.

suicide_circus

Why did he have his hands down his trousers?

Arsemageddon

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Tell me he matched a description at least other than 'young male'

Here's a link for a Salt Lake Tribune article about the case..


http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58472404-78/taylor-cruz-hands-gill.html.csp

Taylor's 22-year-old brother and 21-year-old cousin were the two men with him and whose clothing matched that described by a 911 caller, who told dispatchers "some gangbangers" walking near 200 East and 1900 South had "flashed" a gun.

"They're obviously looking for trouble, just the way they look," the caller
said, according to a transcript of the call.

Fowler said the report to 911 might have deserved a closer look.

"What kind of investigation did they do to determine the credibiliy of the
call that came in?" Fowler asked.

The caller described men wearing a white shirt, a striped shirt and a red
shirt — the clothing worn by Taylor, his brother and his cousin.

"It was very distinctive descriptions," Cruz said later, according to a
transcript of his interview with investigators. Cruz noted he was about two
blocks away when the call came in.

"There was no doubt that I was going to run into those guys," he said.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

sugarman wrote: »

Absolutely disgusting and shocking.

No regard for human life what so ever.

How the hell are both cops just so calm after killing him? Going on as if nothing just happened?

Insane.

Anyone here who says its justified can go get ****ed.

I think the cop is pretty clearly badly shook, especially when he realises there's no weapon

Old Perry

Hagar7 wrote: »

Even if the cop had tazered the guy then surely that would have been much better than a shoot to kill,or to even shoot him in the leg at worst.

Dont quote me on this but as i understand, in america, one of the justifications for introducing tasers was as a substitute for fire arms, to be used when in doubt. easier said than done obviously.

the problem is clearly much more deeply rooted than simply one or a numbr of bad cops, or even a bad law enforcement system. it starts first with the culture and second with its view towards life then third with its ideology of guns and weapons. not dissimilar to certain middle eastern countries imho.

mynamejeff

KKkitty wrote: »

Not going to watch the link but when is this going to stop? Obviously this young man showed no threat but yet again a dimwit cop thinks it's justifiable to shoot without just cause. Are some police officers in the US missing a few brain cells?

I hope to Christ that this comment is some sort of satire ?

you state that your not going to even look at a tiny bit of the evidence but i fell the need to voice a opinion none the less ? FFS