S5E5 - Kill the Boy - HAVE READ the books.

ArmaniJeanss

Thinly veiled greyscale shocker.

Mr Freeze

Not seen it yet....But someone has got to get Greyscale after it being mentioned 3 times in a row.

GerB40

Passed the halfway point now and lookin back, they've got through an awful lot of the books already. Arya is in training, Jon is LC and already his friends are turning on him. Cercei has the faith militant doing their thing. Poor blind Cercei.. Brienne is waiting to pounce on Winterfell, whether to save Sansa or Kill Stannis I don't know. Stannis is on the war march. I really hope we get an actual battle unlike the cold stalemate we got in the books. Most of us knew Daenerys was going to marry Hizdahr this season, hopefully this happens sooner rather than later as the aftermath of that would be a great way to end episode 9 but a boring episode 10 cliffhanger.

It's kind of hard to judge this episode as it's clearly only setting us up for the second part of the season but any fears we had that season 5 would be slow have been definitively allayed. They're doing the exact opposite and cramming too much into every episode. Jesus imagine they left the Ironborn storyline in it too. I reckon, going by the pacing of the season so far, that readers will have a couple of questions answered by the end of the 10th episode. Jon's parentage and his kinda demise come to mind. But us usual there's gonna be more and more questions. Jorah has greyscale? Barristan is dead? These will affect the story down the line and I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing..

alwald

Anybody got that hint when Aemon was talking to Sam about him and Dany being the last Targaryen and that he can't help her because she's far away and all of a sudden Jon appears.....big hint in my opinion.

If there are only 2 seasons and a half left then we might get that shocking scene about Jon being stabbed this season rather than next one.

Liam O

I feel this episode should have ended with Tyrion being dragged down, it's like they don't really want any suspense. I was kind of happy with the screen going black as I thought it was the end and it would have been a fun ending. Greyscale seems like a fast moving disease too and unlike anything I've ever seen in my life I feel Jon Con had it for a good while in the books before anything showed.

Not sure what's to be gained from Jon becoming LC and then leaving for a few weeks with presumably Ser Alliser in command, I reckon he just wont be allowed back in or something rather than being stabbed and have to face some White Walkers.

Hans Bricks

I reckon Sansa is gonna do something to Fat Walda (kill her or worse) and that unborn Bolton and frame Ramsey for it. Set Roose against Ramsey and get some long awaited Northern revenge. I think we're in store for the Battle on the ice this season by the looks of things too.

But on a sour note, is the Grey Worm - Missandei romance the most infuriatingly pointless thing in the universe right now ? Why is it still here wasting precious screen time ?

alwald

Who sent that letter to Aemon?

Liam O

alwald wrote: »

Who sent that letter to Aemon?

Presumably Barristan? Aemon would have been around KL the same time as him and he was fiercely loyal to the Targs.

GerB40

Hans Bricks wrote: »

I reckon Sansa is gonna do something to Fat Walda (kill her or worse) and that unborn Bolton and frame Ramsey for it. Set Roose against Ramsey and get some long awaited Northern revenge. I think we're in store for the Battle on the ice this season by the looks of things too.

But on a sour note, is the Grey Worm - Missandei romance the most infuriatingly pointless thing in the universe right now ? Why is it still here wasting precious screen time ?

They killed Barristan but kept this love story in. This is unforgivable.. And they even pointed out that he should've died like a hero, not ambushed in a back alley by some mask wearing pussies. Do they think pointing this out will make it better? Fúckin Grey Worm would want to have a monumentally huge part in the story to come to warrant Ser Barristan dying the way he did..

jebidiah

Love the way the tv series is going. The last few episodes have been a bit cheesy but I really enjoyed this one.

Im not at all bothered about the changes, most people haven't read lotr because there are too many characters and names, condensing everything down is a great way to keep the show accessible. I was only thinking that Jorah would be getting gray scale and that Griff wouldn't be in the show.

There are now genuine Wtf moments for me in the show where as before it was ahh they didn't do this or that right.

From watching the "previously on got" clip. I thought we were going to see Rikon in this episode. It was reminding us of him and bran but showed rick on quite a bit.

"Baristan The Bold they called him, and he died in an alley" I feel like this is right up GRRM's..... alley.... Super hero character dies in a seemingly mundanely cruel or brutal fahsion. Because you know, the world is full of ****.

TimeToShine

Fully expecting fAegon to be cut now, I think Jorah will resume JonCon's role as the source of greyscale in Westeros. Tyrion's face when he saw Drogon was absolutely brilliant. I think Jon will die and expect the resurrection to be the last scene of the season, as it would be too difficult to hide the fact that he's filming if they left it as a cliffhanger.

FunLover18

Hans Bricks wrote:

But on a sour note, is the Grey Worm - Missandei romance the most infuriatingly pointless thing in the universe right now ? Why is it still here wasting precious screen time ?

I literally yelled "Fúck off" at the TV when that scene came on and fast forwarded. It adds nothing!!

I know it's going to pay off but when the old lady gave Sansa that message I was like "Yeh because when Ramsey is raping and flaying her he's really gonna let her go off and light a candle". I'm presuming it will either be Stannis or Brienne who responds when it eventually happens.

FunLover18

jebidiah wrote:

From watching the "previously on got" clip. I thought we were going to see Rikon in this episode. It was reminding us of him and bran but showed rick on quite a bit.

They don't do a 'previously' do they?

TimeToShine

FunLover18 wrote: »

They don't do a 'previously' do they?

They do on the televised version

Lenin Skynard

It's been a good enough season so far but has definitely lacked a big, game-changing event. I suppose we're still building up to it but I hope there's something soon.

I'm unsure at this point if it'll overtake the timeline of the books or not. I'm thinking it'll finish at around the same point. I suppose it's a good thing because it might or might not light a fire under George Martin to get the next book out.

I hate to be a moaning Michael because I am enjoying the season but I really feel like they could have done all this over two seasons. There's some smaller story arcs like Barristan's death, Mance's death, John being elected etc that would have been a fine ending for the season. That way we could have had the Greyjoys. I don't really care much for Aegon or Lady Stoneheart so I'm not one of those book readers who whines about everything in the books not being there, but more and more I'm thinking the Greyjoys were a huge omission.

jebidiah

TimeToShine wrote: »

They do on the televised version

It also depends on where you stream from

Liam O

jebidiah wrote: »

Love the way the tv series is going. The last few episodes have been a bit cheesy but I really enjoyed this one.

Im not at all bothered about the changes, most people haven't read lotr because there are too many characters and names, condensing everything down is a great way to keep the show accessible. I was only thinking that Jorah would be getting gray scale and that Griff wouldn't be in the show.

There are now genuine Wtf moments for me in the show where as before it was ahh they didn't do this or that right.

From watching the "previously on got" clip. I thought we were going to see Rikon in this episode. It was reminding us of him and bran but showed rick on quite a bit.

"Baristan The Bold they called him, and he died in an alley" I feel like this is right up GRRM's..... alley.... Super hero character dies in a seemingly mundanely cruel or brutal fahsion. Because you know, the world is full of ****.

In Lord of the Rings the same things happen as in the books. They cut out some minor character arcs, that were concurrent to the main story, not complete portions of books because they need to show us a boob scene an episode and some strange convoluted love story that is possibly the most pointless thing ever put on television.

That said I'm enjoying the stuff that actually pertains to the books. The scenes at the Wall were quite interesting though I feel like the Wall, KL, Dorne and Winterfell are the only places in Westeros being given any time and even then they are left out of episodes. No mention of the Riverlands, Iron Islands, rare mentions of the northerners but Stannis isn't going to be using them. I think it's to do with different directors for each episode that they want some arc to each episode rather than telling a coherent story. It's a collection of sometimes great scenes but the overall story being all over the shop because they bit off more than they could chew and didn't plan ahead early on.

Cutting out the Ironborn after the time they gave them and the buildup of Balon as one of the kings, not to mention Shireen and Selyse being dropped and brought back when they realised they needed them just reeks of poor planning from the start. They could have kept it tighter early on but when they got success they started adding characters that in the books could be fleshed out but in terms of TV logistics was never going to be sustainable. So now they presumably have a bunch of pretty high level actors and actresses just on retainer for a few cameos every season because they've stuck with the ten episode seasons which hasn't been enough since series 2.

FunLover18

TimeToShine wrote:

They do on the televised version

They don't on Sky Atlantic ... Do they!? I've never seen a previously for GoT

Mr Freeze

FunLover18 wrote: »

They don't on Sky Atlantic ... Do they!? I've never seen a previously for GoT

They don't on Sky.

American audiences might need the refresher.

alwald

5 more episodes to go....I wish they can be leaked :D.

Looking at the pace of this season and the possible events that will happen I really think that the show will go beyond the books by the end of the season, which is a good thing in my opinion.

Jorah's storyline will be very interesting now, Jon Snow leaving too soon can lead to his stabbing/burning by episode 9....Brienne close to Sansa with Stannis moving there and the wifey pregnant, I can see way too many scenarios and twists coming up, will Brienne kill Stannis, will Sansa kill the wife and the unborn child??

FunLover18

Lads!! We have a Bolton-Stark wedding on the horizon, Roose's wife is pregnant, Brienne is outstide Winterfell, and Stannis is on the way.

Red Wedding 2; Redder Wedding me thinks.

RobbingBandit

Don't get why they killed him, after the fighting pits are opened and Daenerys flies off with Drogon who will rule now, makes no sense to me.

johnnyskeleton

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Don't get why they killed him, after the fighting pits are opened and Daenerys flies off with Drogon who will rule now, makes no sense to me.

Possibly the dothraki/drogon tryst will not feature on the tv series. Theres no stuff about yunkai etc either and the next job for Dany is to probably say shes now learned how to rule, gather up a few boats, soldiers and dragons and land in westeros to cheers and salutations

Savage Tyrant

When Sam was talking to the Targaryen Maester about Daenerys and he said that a Targaryen left alone in the world was a terrible thing. Then Jon appears. I like to think thats another little hint at whats to come.
Anyone agree or am I being silly?

RobbingBandit

They can't cut the Drogon scene though, the locust poisoning arc will be cut as there is no Strong Belwis, Varys or Ser Jorah may take Ser Barristans place down the line but it is a character cut that screws this up in my eyes.

If they have cut the two Griffs arc completely then she may end up in Westeros sooner rather than later but I hope it's on the back of Drogon, that bloody love story crap is stupid too.

MrWalsh

Sorry to be crude but during the Grey Worm/Missandei scene I couldn't help but shout "He has no cock!" at the screen. I mean, wtf?

Have they really cut Griff and young Griff? I wondered when Aemon was talking about a Targaryen alone was that a hint to future Targaryens (not Jon Snow...).

I loved the stone men scene, I think Jorah fits well with that storyline.

I'm looking forward to Winterfellmageddon!!

Classic Roose Bolton telling Ramsay how he raped his mother lol.

ibarelycare

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

When Sam was talking to the Targaryen Maester about Daenerys and he said that a Targaryen left alone in the world was a terrible thing. Then Jon appears. I like to think thats another little hint at whats to come.
Anyone agree or am I being silly?

Yeah I thought exactly the same.




I enjoyed that episode, much better than last week's. Sansa has gone from being one of the dullest characters to one of the most interesting, I'm really enjoying her arc this season.

Saw this posted on Reddit...

PhiloCypher

Correct me if I'm wrong as I've only read the books through once, but didn't Milisandre remain at castle black in the books after coming to believe Jon and not Stannis was the reincarnation of Azhor Ahai, thus making her available to resurrect Jon after he is betrayed. If she isn't staying behind it makes one wonder will there be an assassination attempt at all.

razorblunt

Kennel Master's daughter needs some fattening up ... yuck!

RobbingBandit

Jon won't go with the wildlings as he will soon learn Sansa is at Winterfell about to marry Ramsey, I wonder will Sam and Maestar Aemon go on their journey or will that be cut too.

johnnyskeleton

RobbingBandit wrote: »

They can't cut the Drogon scene though, the locust poisoning arc will be cut as there is no Strong Belwis, Varys or Ser Jorah may take Ser Barristans place down the line but it is a character cut that screws this up in my eyes.

If they have cut the two Griffs arc completely then she may end up in Westeros sooner rather than later but I hope it's on the back of Drogon, that bloody love story crap is stupid too.

I thought she might go over with the rhaegar & vyseries (sorry about spelling, the two duffer dragons) and then drogon will come back to save the day at the last minute with a reincarnated Jon or however thats going to play out.

Was that drogon over the ruins of valyeria? it would make sense as there are ostensibly no other dragons but the dragon was blueish and orange. If not then there are loads more dragons out there. If so i wonder is it a hint that hes going to sit around in the ruins brooding e.g. showing higher intelligence.

The differences between the books and tv series are very interesting. i havent thought it through properly (still reeling from the way barristan is actually dead), but i wonder will drogon just do what he wants in the books until the final battle? Maybe Dany isnt the main targ

Liam O

They've treated greyscale quite lazily and contradictory actually I just realised. Shireen got it from a doll we're told so clearly it can be passed on through objects. They presented it in this like an immediate impact illness. You're telling me I have to believe it infects you after an hour of being touched initially but presumably will have a slow spread as the weeks go by. Lazy storytelling again, they should have just ended it when Tyrion was pulled under, like in the books.

Liam O

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Jon won't go with the wildlings as he will soon learn Sansa is at Winterfell about to marry Ramsey, I wonder will Sam and Maestar Aemon go on their journey or will that be cut too.

They definitely will. Sam was just talking about wanting to be maester and about oldtown.

Mr.Prodston

They killed Barristan so that Greyworm and Missandei can fall in love? Seriously what a stinker of a decision. Absolutely unforgivable and I hope somebody really presses them for answers as to why they did that!

Very much enjoyed the rest of the episode though. Oldtown has been mentioned as much as greyscale so surely it has to happen? Loved Aemon's scenes with Sam and Jon. Kill the boy!

Who was the outspoken guy beside Jon up on the stage when he told them his plan?

Dany went a bit mad king too? Barristan wouldn't have been too happy about that!

The scenes at the end were great but surely they should have ended when he went under. That's what happened in the books and I really thought he was a goner. Enjoyed it though.

Was nice to spend a good bit of time up North in the episode too. I wonder will we get any scenes like last year with "The Nights King"?

Roose casually reminding the audience just how dastardly they are :pac:

MrWalsh

Why does no one ever tell Sansa that her siblings are alive. Brienne failed to mention Arya and now Theon has failed to mention Bran and Rickon.

And who sent the message to Maester Aemon about Dany?

Hans Bricks

I wonder when and why we'll see Varys again. I hope it's more than just to kill Kevan Lannister assuming the Griffs are still cut from this season.

FunLover18

MrWalsh wrote: »

Why does no one ever tell Sansa that her siblings are alive. Brienne failed to mention Arya and now Theon has failed to mention Bran and Rickon.

In fairness, Brienne doesn't trust Littlefinger and Theon doesn't trust Ramsay.

Speaking of; are we expecting Littlefinger back in KL soon?

mewso

Yeah the produces have zero trust in the viewers at this point with the constant sign-posting so the fact oldtown has been mentioned more than once means sam will be on his way next episode. If he isn't due to go until the episode after they will have another scene mentioning oldtown next week.

PIORUN

Can't believe they killed Barristan. You b@*tards. Hate the grey worm love story. God only knows what they will write for next season. They'll have caught up with to books in 5 more episodes.

ItsChecoTime

Really happy that we got to see the stonemen scene even with different characters than the books. I actually think we might see Aegon, JonCon and the possé either as a cliffhanger to this season or at the start of next season. Similarly the Greyjoys and Lady Stoneheart could appear next season as well.

Unlike others I don't think a whole lot will be given away from the books as there is still a good few storylines to get through - Cersei's walk of shame, Arya v Meryn, Dany's wedding and fighting pits pandemonium, Jon at hardhome, Sam going to Oldtown which seems on going by this episode's hints (excited to see Oldtown and its mysteries even if it's not till next season), Jaime and Bronn prancing around Dorne after Myrcella and the Sand Snakes. Think these storylines could well fill up the rest of the season and don't forget there's the obligatory 10 minutes an episode focusing on Grey Worm and Missandei.

I do think we'll see the Battle of Winterfell near the end of the season, Stannis could run into Yara/Asha on the way to slow him down a bit, hopefully they might bump into Wyman and Rickon as well.

Duckworth_Luas

I imagine Barristan was killed off to allow Tyrion to become Daenerys' chief adviser.

The letter to Maester Aemon would have come from the Citadel. Looks like Samwell will be heading there soon.

Missandei may be Daenerys' ticket to Westeros. She wins the battle of Mereen and leaves Missandei as ruler.

Mormont is going to introduce the greyscale plague to Mereen instead of cholera.

Is Dolorous Edd going to stab Jon Snow?

GerB40

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

I imagine Barristan was killed off to allow Tyrion to become Daenerys' chief adviser.

The letter to Maester Aemon would have come from the Citadel. Looks like Samwell will be heading there soon.

Missandei may be Daenerys' ticket to Westeros. She wins the battle of Mereen and leaves Missandei as ruler.

Mormont is going to introduce the greyscale plague to Mereen instead of cholera.

Is Dolorous Edd going to stab Jon Snow?

Tyrion becoming Daenerys' chief advisor? I can definitely see that happen. It looks like it's gonna happen in the books anyway. The irony of having a Lannister as Dany's unofficial hand is excellent seeing as the last time a Lannister was hand to a Targaryen was Tywin and the Mad King. And we all know how that ended up. Tywins decision to switch sides made his family one of the most powerful in Westeros, Tyrion has the ability to completely annihilate the Lannister line. Just some ideas but very Martinesque..

And I do believe Edd and Olly will lead in the stabathon. They both seem to be clinging on to their loyalty to Jon Snow and surely whatever transpires in Winterfell, and Jons reaction, will be the final straw.

It hasn't been the most exciting half a season but I've a feeling the last 2 or 3 episodes are going to be fúcking epic...

Chloris

GerB40 wrote:

Tyrion becoming Daenerys' chief advisor? I can definitely see that happen. It looks like it's gonna happen in the books anyway. The irony of having a Lannister as Dany's unofficial hand is excellent seeing as the last time a Lannister was hand to a Targaryen was Tywin and the Mad King. And we all know how that ended up. Tywins decision to switch sides made his family one of the most powerful in Westeros, Tyrion has the ability to completely annihilate the Lannister line. Just some ideas but very Martinesque..

I'm sure you've read this:
http://time.com/3003227/game-thrones-jon-snow-mother/

I think the three most powerful and eligible people might be poised to begin harmonious democracy in Westeros, in spite of their aggressors. I love this show.

Tom.D.BJJ

"Fewer"

Kunkka

A lot happened in that episode. I really enjoyed it anyway.

I can't believe they killed off bad ass Barry, what an absolute waste! I also was shouting at my screen "He has no penis!" when they had the Grey Worm scene. He better do something epic.

I reckon we'll see more Jaime & Bronn next week. Maybe we'll see Bronn's end by Hotah as expected. Looking forward to the battle of Winterfell & I reckon Theon will tell Sansa that Bran & RIckon are alive at some point.

Mr Freeze

Kunkka wrote: »

Looking forward to the battle of Winterfell & I reckon Theon will tell Sansa that Bran & RIckon are alive at some point.

I was thinking the same, and thats how that info gets to Stannis, when Sansa escapes with or without Theon. I have a funny feeling he won't get out of Winterfell.

As for this wedding, it really looks like its going to go ahead.

Fat Walda isn't much safer than Sansa now. Ramsay might only torture Sansa but he will kill Fat Walda first chance he gets (if he can get away with it).

I am hoping that Jorah gets merged with Victorian now and that some red priest fire purges that hand/arm maybe.

MrWalsh

Clearly someone knows how to stop Greyscale, Shireens was stopped.

Kunkka

MrWalsh wrote: »

Clearly someone knows how to stop Greyscale, Shireens was stopped.

Yep but with what Stannis said about it the only reason she got sorted was his power & influence as he could get anyone to come and help. Probably won't be the case with our poor bear

MrWalsh

Kunkka wrote: »

Yep but with what Stannis said about it the only reason she got sorted was his power & influence as he could get anyone to come and help. Probably won't be the case with our poor bear

I actually missed exactly what he said about that.

ArmaniJeanss

MrWalsh wrote: »

Clearly someone knows how to stop Greyscale, Shireens was stopped.

Was it not said in ADwD that greyscale is non-fatal (but lifetime scarring) in children whilst its fatal for adults?

MrWalsh

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Was it not said in ADwD that greyscale is non-fatal (but lifetime scarring) in children whilst its fatal for adults?

I cant remember. Did Gilly not chat with Shireen about how some of her sister wives had it and Craster took them out and killed them?