gubberment expenditure on propoganda

xhoundx

Looking through various chat forums and it appears very obvious that political parties have a lot of people employed to spin their agendas. Just wondering out loud how much money do the various parties spend on these shills? Is it a well paid job? More importantly where does the money come from to pay these shills? Is it from party funds or does it come from allowances funded by you and I, ie taxpayers money?

Sheep Lover

There is no such thing.

And if Fine Gael did do such a thing it would be paid fairly well, above average industrial wage and some health care benefits.

P.s. Vote Fine Gael

kneemos

Could be FG supporters.

Not saying you're wrong,but maybe.

Not a NSA agent

Some people are just stupid enough to offer the service for free by having religious like devotion for a political party.

TheChizler

Examples?

Galwayguy35

They don't really need to spin anything, 5 minutes listening to the rubbish the left spouts would convince most people that while the government makes mistakes they are still doing a reasonable job of turning the country around.

whiskeyman

All the digital ink used for the type on boards.ie is supplied by SF...

Jesus Wept

I'm available for hire if such work exists.

Boskowski

Just a reminder to all those left haters. You'd all be still down in the mines slaving for a dime and a half penny a day if it wasn't for the left. Now back to under your stone.

kneemos

Boskowski wrote: »

Just a reminder to all those left haters. You'd all be still down in the mines slaving for a dime and a half penny a day if it wasn't for the left. Now back to under your stone.

That's loony.

Boskowski

kneemos wrote: »

That's loony.

shur

AndonHandon

Boskowski wrote: »

Just a reminder to all those left haters. You'd all be still down in the mines slaving for a dime and a half penny a day if it wasn't for the left. Now back to under your stone.

In the future the Left will live in the metaphorical mine and populate the underclass to prop up us elite. Keep them ignorant and paranoid of each other and it can easily happen.

Nodin

AndonHandon wrote: »

In the future the Left will live in the metaphorical mine and populate the underclass to prop up us elite. Keep them ignorant and paranoid of each other and it can easily happen.

But every now and again we will send up to the surface for one of the elite to come down, and indeed they will stay with us, never to be seen again.

bjork

Well I'm on $500/hour to post crap


Are the rest of ye doing it for free?>>LOL

MRnotlob606

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They don't really need to spin anything, 5 minutes listening to the rubbish the left spouts would convince most people that while the government makes mistakes they are still doing a reasonable job of turning the country around.

Usual anti-left nonsense.Tell me which side of the political spectrum got us into this predicament in the first place ?

kneemos

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Usual anti-left nonsense.Tell me which side of the political spectrum got us into this predicament in the first place ?[/quote


Middle.

Galwayguy35

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Usual anti-left nonsense.Tell me which side of the political spectrum got us into this predicament in the first place ?

FF

The present crowd are getting us out of it though.

All we hear from the other jokers is "tax the rich, and anyone earning over 100 k", oh yeah and "peaceful protest".

hatrickpatrick

I don't think they do, tbh.
Most government policy is dictated by vested interests and lobby groups, all of whom pay for their own propaganda.

Look at the insane amount of support from various "entities" for minimum alcohol pricing in publications like the Irish Times. Where are the articles from the countless ordinary people who are opposed?

_Kaiser_

The Rodgers wrote: »

I'm available for hire if such work exists.

*Calls Sky Sports to sell them the exclusive*

Not a NSA agent

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They don't really need to spin anything, 5 minutes listening to the rubbish the left spouts would convince most people that while the government makes mistakes they are still doing a reasonable job of turning the country around.

As we can see here, enough people will try to demonise the other side as if left or right is automatically bad. Dont actually think about the topic, just remember us = good, them = bad.

kneemos

I'd vote left if they weren't all totally bat sh1t crazy.

_Kaiser_

Not a NSA agent wrote: »

As we can see here, enough people will try to demonise the other side as if left or right is automatically bad. Dont actually think about the topic, just remember us = good, them = bad.

Indeed.. I thought I was in the Politics forum for a min! Same posters, same lines, reality optional!

xhoundx

So far no answers but I guess to be expected in after hours.

What's mildly amusing is certain posters claiming the current government are responsible for any upturn in the economy. I'd like to hear exactly how the government are responsible for this upward trend.

MRnotlob606

kneemos wrote: »

I'd vote left if they weren't all totally bat sh1t crazy.

The Irish left is so Fragmentary,There isn't really one credible left wing party in this country that could win enough seats to form a coalition. Labour are more less a neoliberal party now and have shaking off the ol' socialism for sit at the table and have smoked salmon.

Cold War Kid

Why would it be such a certainty that they are being paid by political parties? Maybe they just support them. To me, the latter is perfectly feasible, and the most likely answer IMO. This is something that has been suspected for years. In fairness, the OP just refers to political parties in general, but I've noticed complaints that there are possible SF supporters being planted to push the agenda - but only from those who aren't SF supporters. And complaints that there are possible FG supporters being planted to push the FG agenda - but only from those who dislike FG. :pac:

xhoundx wrote: »

So far no answers but I guess to be expected in after hours.

Maybe people don't have the answers to the questions you're asking?

dxhound2005

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Why would it be such a certainty that they are being paid by political parties? Maybe they just support them. To me, the latter is perfectly feasible, and the most likely answer IMO. This is something that has been suspected for years. In fairness, the OP just refers to political parties in general, but I've noticed complaints that there are possible SF supporters being planted to push the agenda - but only from those who aren't SF supporters. And complaints that there are possible FG supporters being planted to push the FG agenda - but only from those who dislike FG. :pac:

There's loads of those SF people on Boards. But they are either Volunteers or they only get the average industrial wage.

xhoundx

I don't get the government supporters angle, why would anyone not either directly or indirectly associated with a political party support them? Ok you can have your political beliefs, but to spend actual time arguing online on behalf of any party seems ludicrous, unless there was some sort of incentive to do so

dxhound2005

xhoundx wrote: »

I don't get the government supporters angle, why would anyone not either directly or indirectly associated with a political party support them? Ok you can have your political beliefs, but to spend actual time arguing online on behalf of any party seems ludicrous, unless there was some sort of incentive to do so

It's equally ludicrous for you to waste your time on Boards giving out about it. What's in it for you?

What does being indirectly associated with a political party entail?

Fred Swanson

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xhoundx

dxhound2005 wrote: »

It's equally ludicrous for you to waste your time on Boards giving out about it. What's in it for you?

What does being indirectly associated with a political party entail?

Is it? I'm just passing time on a lazy Saturday evening. The type of posters I'm talking about (not giving out about) appear to spend night and day arguing one agenda or another.

Indirectly associated would to me mean somehow related to or friendly with someone in a political party, or a paid shill just shilling for €€

xhoundx

Fred Swanson wrote: »

SF have a propaganda budget like all political parties.

Where do the funds come from? If party donations then I couldn't care much, but if on the other hand there are party allowances allocated to this behaviour that are funded directly through taxes then I would have a problem with that

dxhound2005

xhoundx wrote: »

Is it? I'm just passing time on a lazy Saturday evening. The type of posters I'm talking about (not giving out about) appear to spend night and day arguing one agenda or another.

Indirectly associated would to me mean somehow related to or friendly with someone in a political party, or a paid shill just shilling for €€

Arguing against an agenda more likely. Like the numerous people who use Boards as part of the anti property tax and anti water charges campaigns. Who is paying them to shill?

Have you a direct or indirect association with any political party or any political campaigns or agenda yourself? For instance are you opposed to water charges and property tax and did you ever attend any of the protests?

For the record, apart from voting in elections, I have no direct or indirect association with any political party or movement. And nobody is paying me.

xhoundx

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Arguing against an agenda more likely. Like the numerous people who use Boards as part of the anti property tax and anti water charges campaigns. Who is paying them to shill?

Have you a direct or indirect association with any political party or any political campaigns or agenda yourself? For instance are you opposed to water charges and property tax and did you ever attend any of the protests?

For the record, apart from voting in elections, I have no direct or indirect association with any political party or movement. And nobody is paying me.

Arguing against something is the same thing as arguing for another thing.

I have zero affillation with any political party, I find them all equally repulsive.

I'd just be interested in knowing whether our taxes fund these online campaigns

Annasopra

xhoundx wrote: »

Looking through various chat forums and it appears very obvious that political parties have a lot of people employed to spin their agendas. Just wondering out loud how much money do the various parties spend on these shills? Is it a well paid job? More importantly where does the money come from to pay these shills? Is it from party funds or does it come from allowances funded by you and I, ie taxpayers money?

Are you confusing the Irish Government with the Israeli one?

Fred Swanson

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dxhound2005

xhoundx wrote: »

Arguing against something is the same thing as arguing for another thing.

I have zero affillation with any political party, I find them all equally repulsive.

I'd just be interested in knowing whether our taxes fund these online campaigns

You are the one saying there is funding going on. But you want other people to say where the funding is coming from. It's up to you to provide your evidence of funding, then we can see if it is real or imagined.

mikom

xhoundx wrote: »

Looking through various chat forums and it appears very obvious that political parties have a lot of people employed to spin their agendas. Just wondering out loud how much money do the various parties spend on these shills? Is it a well paid job? More importantly where does the money come from to pay these shills? Is it from party funds or does it come from allowances funded by you and I, ie taxpayers money?

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xhoundx

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Apparently SF TDs only take the average industrial wage meaning the party pockets the rest. Therefore public money is being used for their propaganda.

Thanks for clearing that up, makes sense if in fact they really do just take the AIW.
Now for the other parties, where does their funding come from to counter the SF shilling?

xhoundx

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You are the one saying there is funding going on. But you want other people to say where the funding is coming from. It's up to you to provide your evidence of funding, then we can see if it is real or imagined.

Eh if I had evidence then why would I need to start a thread here to ask what I already knew?

dxhound2005

xhoundx wrote: »

Eh if I had evidence then why would I need to start a thread here to ask what I already knew?

If you have no evidence then how can you justify what you wrote in the first post:

it appears very obvious that political parties have a lot of people employed to spin their agendas

Cold War Kid

But you're saying it's obvious that it's going on.
It's not IMO. I genuinely don't see anything other than people defending the party in question - that's not a strange thing to happen. Some people really do buy hugely into the party they support.
Many who say the shilling thing about Sinn Féin tend to be extremely anti nationalist and pro loyalist, not just anti provo - and use the stupid term "shinnerbot" a lot (I'm not a fan of SF btw).

xhoundx

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If you have no evidence then how can you justify what you wrote in the first post:

it appears very obvious that political parties have a lot of people employed to spin their agendas

The clue is in the word appears, i never said it was fact, just that it appears that way

dxhound2005

xhoundx wrote: »

The clue is in the word appears

Well go away and research the subject a bit more and come back with something more concrete than Appears.

xhoundx

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Well go away and research the subject a bit more and come back with something more concrete than Appears.

Back at you, can you come up with anything concrete to prove that I'm wrong in suspecting what I do?

And btw wtf are you to tell anyone here to go away?

Phoebas

xhoundx wrote: »

The clue is in the word appears, i never said it was fact, just that it appears that way

This thread belongs in CT so.

Streetwalker

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They don't really need to spin anything, 5 minutes listening to the rubbish the left spouts would convince most people that while the government makes mistakes they are still doing a reasonable job of turning the country around.

Only that they aren't.

dxhound2005

xhoundx wrote: »

Back at you, can you come up with anything concrete to prove that I'm wrong in suspecting what I do?

And btw wtf are you to tell anyone here to go away?

I suspect that you just made it all up. Prove me wrong.

Cold War Kid

This is just confusing when there is "xhound" in both their usernames.

xhoundx

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I suspect that you just made it all up. Prove me wrong.

I can't prove I'm right, can you prove I made it up or do you just suspect I'm making it up?

You seem to have somehow taken offence to my question, you are the main antagonist on this thread to the suggestions I've made. Why so concerned with a simple question regarding whether or not our taxes fund online propaganda

dxhound2005

Cold War Kid wrote: »

This is just confusing when there is "xhound" in both their usernames.

Mine has two D's. I hope that helps.

dxhound2005

xhoundx wrote: »

I can't prove I'm right, can you prove I made it up or do you just suspect I'm making it up?

You seem to have somehow taken offence to my question, you are the main antagonist on this thread to the suggestions I've made. Why so concerned with a simple question regarding whether or not our taxes fund online propaganda

Nobody on this thread has owned up to being paid for being here. I'm not being paid. How about you link to a few of those threads and posts which prompted your suspicions.