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Kovu

Farrell wrote: »

Are you doing the compositing yourselves?
Have a bit to do, & time is getting ahead, probably get time in May when it can't be done

I hope you mean coppicing, no idea where I'd start with compositing! :D
Yep, have the field picked, will prob start a bit this week if we can. Then leave it off till Oct or that. A nice frosty week this winter would be perfect to do it. Are you doing wild bird cover? He said to be very wary of the seed you get. A good few people who used Linseed got old seed and it didn't grow.

Farrell

Kovu wrote: »

I hope you mean coppicing, no idea where I'd start with compositing! :D
Yep, have the field picked, will prob start a bit this week if we can. Then leave it off till Oct or that. A nice frosty week this winter would be perfect to do it. Are you doing wild bird cover? He said to be very wary of the seed you get. A good few people who used Linseed got old seed and it didn't grow.

Spell check is great!
Just Coppicing & LIP here.
I'd like to get cutting most before deadline, then good fence in summer.
Maybe find someone to do the cutting during the week (my weekends aren't long enough sadly)

Kovu

Farrell wrote: »

Spell check is great!
Just Coppicing & LIP here.
I'd like to get cutting most before deadline, then good fence in summer.
Maybe find someone to do the cutting during the week (my weekends aren't long enough sadly)

But sure you have until Sept next year! Not Sept 17th, Sept 2017

Bullocks

Kovu wrote: »

I hope you mean coppicing, no idea where I'd start with compositing! :D
Yep, have the field picked, will prob start a bit this week if we can. Then leave it off till Oct or that. A nice frosty week this winter would be perfect to do it. Are you doing wild bird cover? He said to be very wary of the seed you get. A good few people who used Linseed got old seed and it didn't grow.

Will you be doing the coppicing yourself and what does it entail ? Any chance of a few pics when you're at it . Sounds like nice work if we get the weather

Kovu

Bullocks wrote: »

Will you be doing the coppicing yourself and what does it entail ? Any chance of a few pics when you're at it . Sounds like nice work if we get the weather

Have to bring down the hedge to about a couple of feet, to allow the young saplings to get a chance to grow. So cut out the old ash trees that are ivy covered and liable to fall/die in next few years but leave the young healthy ones. Cut back ferns/briars etc.
Basically to allow new growth to come in. Myself and dad will be doing it, did one a year ago bordering land that will now be wild bird cover and it came on well.

Farrell

Kovu wrote: »

But sure you have until Sept next year! Not Sept 17th, Sept 2017

It was supposed to be March 2017, but sure your not allowed to do anything from March 1st till August (if the extension lasts)

Kovu

Farrell wrote: »

It was supposed to be March 2017, but sure your not allowed to do anything from March 1st till August (if the extension lasts)

Was told today- and wrote down next to the option list- that it's Sept 30th '17! Maybe it changed?

Farrell

Kovu wrote: »

Have to bring down the hedge to about a couple of feet, to allow the young saplings to get a chance to grow. So cut out the old ash trees that are ivy covered and liable to fall/die in next few years but leave the young healthy ones. Cut back ferns/briars etc.
Basically to allow new growth to come in. Myself and dad will be doing it, did one a year ago bordering land that will now be wild bird cover and it came on well.

Is it not to 4-6"?
Is there any particular angle the cut must be taken? I know it's supposed to be angled to allow water run off

Kovu

Farrell wrote: »

Is it not to 4-6"?
Is there any particular angle the cut must be taken? I know it's supposed to be angled to allow water run off

Didn't think it was that low, the one we were discussing today is weird though, it's on a hill between meadows with a drain the lower side. So it's raised on itself if you know what I mean. I'll have to double check the heights, thanks for that. Didn't hear of a particular angle, just sloped to stop water soaking through.

Farrell

Kovu wrote: »

Didn't think it was that low, the one we were discussing today is weird though, it's on a hill between meadows with a drain the lower side. So it's raised on itself if you know what I mean. I'll have to double check the heights, thanks for that. Didn't hear of a particular angle, just sloped to stop water soaking through.

Was thinking sloped, pity it's poor weather to be at it

Kovu

Farrell wrote: »

Was thinking sloped, pity it's poor weather to be at it

Waterproofs Discovered I have a hole in one leg of the pull ups today and a split in my welly!

bogman_bass

Had a calf come back positive for BVD today. :mad: We've been testing since the voluntary phase so this was a bit of a shock. I dont know if I should give him the chance and retest or just put him down now

tanko

bogman_bass wrote: »

Had a calf come back positive for BVD today. :mad: We've been testing since the voluntary phase so this was a bit of a shock. I dont know if I should give him the chance and retest or just put him down now

That's bad news, i assume his mother has been tested and is negative or has had a negative calf before. If it only took a few days to get him tested I think I'd test him again. He'd be a serious danger to pregnant animals at the moment tho.

whelan2

bogman_bass wrote: »

Had a calf come back positive for BVD today. :mad: We've been testing since the voluntary phase so this was a bit of a shock. I dont know if I should give him the chance and retest or just put him down now

If the retest is positive. Then at least you will know. If the scheme wasn't in place you would have no idea. Does your farm border another farm?

bogman_bass

tanko wrote: »

That's bad news, i assume his mother has been tested and is negative or has had a negative calf before. If it only took a few days to get him tested I think I'd test him again. He'd be a serious danger to pregnant animals at the moment tho.

have to wait 3 weeks. If it was only a few days I would retest him no question

tanko

bogman_bass wrote: »

have to wait 3 weeks. If it was only a few days I would retest him no question

Oh, forgot you have to wait three weeks. I wonder do many calves test negative on the second test?

orm0nd

bogman_bass wrote: »

have to wait 3 weeks. If it was only a few days I would retest him no question

what's the retest ? blood or ear notch again?

pedigree 6

bogman_bass wrote: »

Had a calf come back positive for BVD today. :mad: We've been testing since the voluntary phase so this was a bit of a shock. I dont know if I should give him the chance and retest or just put him down now

It depends if you have isolation facilities away from the rest of the stock.
I assume it's a suckler calf so have to isolate the cow and calf. Just ensure you have a footbath and wash hands if you can when moving from the cow and calf to other stock.

You probably have already got a call from the dept telling you all this and if you want to retest to do it in 3 weeks time. The cow will now have to be tested as well unless she is young enough that she was tested as a calf.

I'd be inclined to do a retest. I had one down last year, well I actually had two down first one calf had a reading of 3 and came back positive the second time and the other calf had a reading of 0.3 and came back negative the second time. The 2 calves were tag numbers 16 and 17 which I thought was unusual.

Now I had a neighbour who bought a heifer and she was pining away since he bought her and her calf came back positive and he got rid of both of them straight away.

Anyway the compo scheme if it is still there is
120 euro per PI beef breed calf
75 euro for the 2nd and each subsequent PI female dairy breed calf.

In my own case I have 70% of stock born this year and no PI calves.
I too started in the voluntary year and never had one positive till last year.

It's a curse of a virus and the dept should not be sitting back and leaving loopholes for misguided farmers to allow their stock to infect clean herds.

pedigree 6

orm0nd wrote: »

what's the retest ? blood or ear notch again?

Whichever one the farmer wants.

TPF2012

Hi all. Did anybody in here see the documentary Cowspiracy, just watched it myself there. Pretty depressing stuff, which has furthered my belief that we are doomed, bringing most of the other species with us.
Being a farmer myself, albeit very small-scale it has me conflicted. Animal agriculture, be it beef, dairy, poultry, is not sustainable for a planet gaining 216,000 people everyday. The message of the program was that we have to take the animal out of food production. Everyone on a plant based vegan diet.

darragh_haven

TPF2012 wrote: »

Hi all. Did anybody in here see the documentary Cowspiracy, just watched it myself there. Pretty depressing stuff, which has furthered my belief that we are doomed, bringing most of the other species with us.
Being a farmer myself, albeit very small-scale it has me conflicted. Animal agriculture, be it beef, dairy, poultry, is not sustainable for a planet gaining 216,000 people everyday. The message of the program was that we have to take the animal out of food production. Everyone on a plant based vegan diet.

We need to stop breeding like rats... each family allowed just 2 kids. This would reduce the population by 10% every generation

Kovu

Oh no, not talking about veganism here too I see enough of that shoite on my FB feed whenever I'm online there!

Heard about this yokey though and have read enough on it, not seen it, to have come to the conclusion that it's a propaganda piece. I wonder how many plane trips those vegan activists took while flying around the US to make this 'documentary' where they interviewed mainly devout vegangelicals.

Nekarsulm

TPF2012 wrote: »

Animal agriculture, be it beef, dairy, poultry, is not sustainable for a planet gaining 216,000 people everyday. The message of the program was that we have to take the animal out of food production. Everyone on a plant based vegan diet.

True to a point, but the countries gaining 216,000 people per day are too far away for us to let our animals die off and grow Veg. or pulses for them. Also the extra couple of billion people in Asia, Africa and south America won't be able to afford the food we produce, never mind it's transport cost. Should we therefore convert to vegetarianism and produce plants at a loss to satisfy the utopian (and dystopian) visions of "policy" makers and "think tanks" who are often covertly following their own agenda?

Responsibility for food supply and population must be assumed by these countries themselves. Since the West started sending food aid to Ethopia after "Live Aid" it's population has doubled, and the masses are still on a knife edge between survival and famine.

Limestone Cowboy

TPF2012 wrote: »

Hi all. Did anybody in here see the documentary Cowspiracy, just watched it myself there. Pretty depressing stuff, which has furthered my belief that we are doomed, bringing most of the other species with us.
Being a farmer myself, albeit very small-scale it has me conflicted. Animal agriculture, be it beef, dairy, poultry, is not sustainable for a planet gaining 216,000 people everyday. The message of the program was that we have to take the animal out of food production. Everyone on a plant based vegan diet.

I watched it a few months ago. I wouldn't be taking too much that an eco warrior would be telling me to heart though.

Buford T. Justice XIX

TPF2012 wrote: »

Hi all. Did anybody in here see the documentary Cowspiracy, just watched it myself there. Pretty depressing stuff, which has furthered my belief that we are doomed, bringing most of the other species with us.
Being a farmer myself, albeit very small-scale it has me conflicted. Animal agriculture, be it beef, dairy, poultry, is not sustainable for a planet gaining 216,000 people everyday. The message of the program was that we have to take the animal out of food production. Everyone on a plant based vegan diet.

They simply haven't a clue what they're talking about.

We can only grow economically viable foodstuffs on about a third of Irelands land area.

The rest is simply not able to grow crops year on year but it can grow huge quantities of grass.

And the only economically viable way to turn that grass to cash is through animal feed ie milk, beef and lamb.

Beware of doomsday scenarios by organisations with an environmental agenda and a loopy belief system.

whelan2

Ash wednesday, are many not eating meat? Was in shop there and they said they sold alot more breakfast rolls today than normal:rolleyes:

Bullocks

whelan2 wrote: »

Ash wednesday, are many not eating meat? Was in shop there and they said they sold alot more breakfast rolls today than normal:rolleyes:

I had ham and boiled eggs with toast for the brekkie so I'm doomed ! The wife's crowd left in a heap of mackerel yesterday so I might redeem my soul at dinner time

_Brian

whelan2 wrote: »

Ash wednesday, are many not eating meat? Was in shop there and they said they sold alot more breakfast rolls today than normal:rolleyes:

Business as usual here. Whatever is on the plate wil be welcome, good day you have a bit of meat for the plate.

Reggie.

Bullocks wrote: »

I had ham and boiled eggs with toast for the brekkie so I'm doomed ! The wife's crowd left in a heap of mackerel yesterday so I might redeem my soul at dinner time

Your soul is beyond saving young lad

Kovu

I had halloumi and a duck egg. However I did have lamb stew at 2am so am eternally damned anyway.