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Kevhog1988

lakill Farm wrote: »

6 or 7 of 10/12ton diggers within 4/5km.

Now if a lad wants to charge transport fair enough, just keep going. Always another lad who will be passing. Any one day at least one of these diggers passes here. it takes 5 mins to drop ramps and take off a digger nowadays.

Im in the plant hire game.... youd get a two word answer from me tbh... 6 hours is your day gone... to earn €240 for a 13 tonner per day is financial suicide if you have wages, repayments, diesel, inurance etc. bar for it was cash and you could track into a neighbour or something as a favour. 5 minutes wouldnt unchain it never mind unload it.

AntrimGlens

theemigrant wrote: »

Im in the plant hire game.... youd get a two word answer from me tbh...

Would those two words be any of these combinations?
"no bother"
"surely Lakill"
"tonight ok"
"tomorrow morning"
"right away"
"dead on"

or would it be the same two words that you told your boss to do a week or so back?
I thought you were outa that game?

To be honest, there'd be any amount of times that my contractor has either dropped a digger down here for a few hours to do a tidy up job and taken it back the same afternoon, now in fairness we have a decent relationship in that if he needs to take any of his machines away for a couple of days to do a small job before he's fully finished here i've no bother with that and thats how we work.

Think you need to remember Ireland ain't Manchester and building relationships with customers wouldn't be like it is here.

lakill Farm

theemigrant wrote: »

Im in the plant hire game.... youd get a two word answer from me tbh... 6 hours is your day gone... to earn €240 for a 13 tonner per day is financial suicide if you have wages, repayments, diesel, inurance etc. bar for it was cash and you could track into a neighbour or something as a favour. 5 minutes wouldnt unchain it never mind unload it.

Lots of lads would do it on a Saturday.

Pull in at 8am and be done at 2pm. They would be passing anyway so no massive haulage fees.

furthermore I can tell you this of the 6/7 of the 12 t machines a few of them are sitting at home doing nothing so lads might rather actually be out doing something than nothing. fixed costs like insurance, repayments have to be paid if its at home staying clean or earning its keep

lakill Farm

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Would those two words be any of these combinations?
"no bother"
"surely Lakill"
"tonight ok"
"tomorrow morning"
"right away"
"dead on"

or would it be the same two words that you told your boss to do a week or so back?
I thought you were outa that game?

To be honest, there'd be any amount of times that my contractor has either dropped a digger down here for a few hours to do a tidy up job and taken it back the same afternoon, now in fairness we have a decent relationship in that if he needs to take any of his machines away for a couple of days to do a small job before he's fully finished here i've no bother with that and thats how we work.

Think you need to remember Ireland ain't Manchester and building relationships with customers wouldn't be like it is here.

that lad who you are quoting was dispatched, I got another lad in to bale and had no issues. the contractor who didn't turn up when he promised for 4 days till the wet day cornered me at the local garage the other day saying he would knock the grass for me. I told him I wasn't sure what I was going to do with it. At this time it was already mowed. I left him none the wiser in the same manner he didn't leave me any wiser. But im sure he gets the message as I passed his house with every bale and he can see the new ones stacked up out behind the yard.

Kevhog1988

lakill Farm wrote: »

Lots of lads would do it on a Saturday.

Pull in at 8am and be done at 2pm. They would be passing anyway so no massive haulage fees.

furthermore I can tell you this of the 6/7 of the 12 t machines a few of them are sitting at home doing nothing so lads might rather actually be out doing something than nothing. fixed costs like insurance, repayments have to be paid if its at home staying clean or earning its keep

my grandfather used to always say if you see an ass ride him... if someone will do that for so little they really are idiots. busy fools are easily found. id be looking to see if they are in fact insured etc if they will work for that.

Kevhog1988

lakill Farm wrote: »

furthermore I can tell you this of the 6/7 of the 12 t machines a few of them are sitting at home doing nothing so lads might rather actually be out doing something than nothing. fixed costs like insurance, repayments have to be paid if its at home staying clean or earning its keep

most lads are sold up. its a wonder them machines arent in nigeria/cameroon. there a massive shortage in second hand plant. theres an 09 3cx here worth more last year when we valued it than what was paid for it new.

lakill Farm

theemigrant wrote: »

my grandfather used to always say if you see an ass ride him... if someone will do that for so little they really are idiots. busy fools are easily found. id be looking to see if they are in fact insured etc if they will work for that.

I would never deny a person a living. Im not out looking for it to be done free. the going rate is €40 an hour plus vat. Its all supply and demand. Economics.

If a lad doesn't want to call for 6 hours work fine, keep going doesn't bother me. There will be another lad. And that other lad will get called when I want 3 or 4 days work done. Take the good with the bad.

The Irish building boom was built on greed by some. Lots others made a living out of it without " always winning". as we call them, "mé féiners"

There are always lads who want to "win , win , win" M

lakill Farm

theemigrant wrote: »

most lads are sold up. its a wonder them machines arent in nigeria/cameroon. there a massive shortage in second hand plant. theres an 09 3cx here worth more last year when we valued it than what was paid for it new.

No why would lads sell up? lots of these lads have updated there machinery in the last 3/5 years.

These lads are still keeping a good machine under themselves and there home.

Furthermore your talking about 2 different countries.

Kevhog1988

AntrimGlens wrote: »

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or would it be the same two words that you told your boss to do a week or so back?
I thought you were outa that game?


Think you need to remember Ireland ain't Manchester and building relationships with customers wouldn't be like it is here.

i started with a new crowd on the monday (jacked on the sat morning) ... uncle was ringing me the monday morning... met him ... better terms!!!

i dont think it is so different tbh... i price work & deal with ppl both sides. had good chat with cousin on saturday about it. he builds passive homes and does small bit of plant. he said his biggest problem is trying to compete with clowns pricing with suicide rates that run for a while then bump the company and leave the bills behind.

Kevhog1988

lakill Farm wrote: »

No why would lads sell up? lots of these lads have updated there machinery in the last 3/5 years.

These lads are still keeping a good machine under themselves and there home.

Furthermore your talking about 2 different countries.

the amount of machinery that left ireland in the past 5 years is mad. i think there was 78 million (iirc ) spent in an auction in naas in one day around 2012/2013.

second hand plant is very expensive both in ireland & uk at the moment. i would be at auctions in either country most saturdays.

lakill Farm

theemigrant wrote: »

the amount of machinery that left ireland in the past 5 years is mad. i think there was 78 million (iirc ) spent in an auction in naas in one day around 2012/2013.

second hand plant is very expensive both in ireland & uk at the moment. i would be at auctions in either country most saturdays.

ok , they might be facts but that's 3 years ago.

these are all individual lads. €35/40 is the rate here an hour. im not looking for lads to do it for €15 an hour sure.

I asked what the rate was for 6ton and for self drive.

To be honest id delighted your not in the area because I wount be calling you. No wonder the 09 3cx is worth more in 2014 than 2009 . sure it wasn't used. But you still had to insure it and make the repayments. Who needs there head examined

Also

would you rated get €40 x 6/8 hours and get paid for it

or €60 per hour for 10hours and not get paid for it?

Kevhog1988

lakill Farm wrote: »

ok , they might be facts but that's 3 years ago.

these are all individual lads. €35/40 is the rate here an hour. im not looking for lads to do it for €15 an hour sure.

I asked what the rate was for 6ton and for self drive.

To be honest id delighted your not in the area because I wount be calling you. No wonder the 09 3cx is worth more in 2014 than 2009 . sure it wasn't used. But you still had to insure it and make the repayments. Who needs there head examined

Also

would you rated get €40 x 6/8 hours and get paid for it

or €60 per hour for 10hours and not get paid for it?

machine is well used, has been on constant hire with a crowd doing trial holes for the hs2 rail line for last 6 weeks. 40 euro is decent enough rate... its the 6 hrs i wouldnt work with. when did i ever say i struggled to get paid for works completed??. there isnt a culture of that here thank god. its bad business imho to bump lads like that... ireland & uk is a small place and getting a name as a "bad payer" would render it impossible to work as everyone talks & credit checks etc are a matter of course.

lakill Farm

theemigrant wrote: »

machine is well used, has been on constant hore

either JCB gave it to you for free

or the 2014 valuer doesn't know his market

5 year old machinery don't go up in value

Kevhog1988

lakill Farm wrote: »

either JCB gave it to you for free

or the 2014 valuer doesn't know his market

5 year old machinery don't go up in value

its a fact... very few machines were bought over last number of years. jcbs have jumped in price, both new & secondhand.

lakill Farm

theemigrant wrote: »

its a fact... very few machines were bought over last number of years. jcbs have jumped in price, both new & secondhand.

excluding currency differences/?

Kevhog1988

lakill Farm wrote: »

excluding currency differences/?

bought in sterling & valued in sterling. seriously im not joking. there is a guy here who buys machines new outright. he then runs them for a year and sells them to whatever international market is thriving. thats his business model in a nutshell but it works. he is very very shrewd.

raypallas

lakill Farm wrote:

I would never deny a person a living. Im not out looking for it to be done free. the going rate is €40 an hour plus vat. Its all supply and demand. Economics.

You should get a lad for a half day no problem. That rate is about right for aroundhere also. Not every lad wants to work 12hrs a day, 6 days a week so it wouldin handy in a half day on a Saturday.

_Brian

lakill Farm wrote: »

I would never deny a person a living. Im not out looking for it to be done free. the going rate is €40 an hour plus vat. Its all supply and demand. Economics.

If a lad doesn't want to call for 6 hours work fine, keep going doesn't bother me. There will be another lad. And that other lad will get called when I want 3 or 4 days work done. Take the good with the bad.

The Irish building boom was built on greed by some. Lots others made a living out of it without " always winning". as we call them, "mé féiners"

There are always lads who want to "win , win , win" M

My BIL runs a 13T Ex120.
He says lads would have you broke running the roads for wee bits all the time.. He charges to move to small jobs, or if you can wait he'll work it into a bigger job in the area..
~€40/hr is his rate inc vat..

He said operators with drivers who are also drawing are ruinening the business round here.. Impossible to compete when the driver is already getting €200/week on the dole and then willing to work for cash on the side afterwards.. These operators have no employment overheads at all..

MickeyShtyles

Bitta stump burning!

orm0nd

_Brian wrote: »

My BIL runs a 13T Ex120.
He says lads would have you broke running the roads for wee bits all the time.. He charges to move to small jobs, or if you can wait he'll work it into a bigger job in the area..
~€40/hr is his rate inc vat..

He said operators with drivers who are also drawing are ruinening the business round here.. Impossible to compete when the driver is already getting €200/week on the dole and then willing to work for cash on the side afterwards.. These operators have no employment overheads at all..

my contractor has no issues moving for a few hours work, he treats everyone the same & has 4 diggers working full time ,

a few lads that came on the scene in the celtic tiger era & would laugh at you
if you asked for half a day have bitten the dust & the 200 hp tractors bought to move the diggers are re possessed

Username John

lakill Farm wrote: »

6 or 7 of 10/12ton diggers within 4/5km.

Now if a lad wants to charge transport fair enough, just keep going. Always another lad who will be passing. Any one day at least one of these diggers passes here. it takes 5 mins to drop ramps and take off a digger nowadays.

The lad I get to do work for me, albeit with a 22ton (I think, its 20+ ton anyways) charges transport. I think its 100 (but not sure off the top of my head)
So you'd need to do a bit of work to justify that - I know its a lot bigger machine than you're talking about tho...

Previous lad who I used to get, didn't charge transport.

Do they all charge transport now? (I had assumed they do?)

selectamatic

A man a few parishes over has a big ol priestman digger and a muirhill drawing it, he's been on the go since the 80's and he's busy enough still! there will always be work for the small scale man if he's a tidy operator, priced right and above all obliging.

Kevhog1988

_Brian wrote: »

My BIL runs a 13T Ex120.
He says lads would have you broke running the roads for wee bits all the time.. He charges to move to small jobs, or if you can wait he'll work it into a bigger job in the area..
~€40/hr is his rate inc vat..

He said operators with drivers who are also drawing are ruinening the business round here.. Impossible to compete when the driver is already getting €200/week on the dole and then willing to work for cash on the side afterwards.. These operators have no employment overheads at all..

cousin had exact same point at the weekend. its the lads not insured/working for cash/employing lads off the books etc that are ruining the work. Sure we all look at our own bottom line and need to make things work but i think if running things correctly you need to charge accordingly. also the likes if lads moving machines with tractors whereas others need artics,... cost of white/cpc/operators licence etc is some difference. thats the beauty of the 3cx i guess that its just sn hour paid travel rather than a movement charge.

Kevhog1988

selectamatic wrote: »

A man a few parishes over has a big ol priestman digger and a muirhill drawing it, he's been on the go since the 80's and he's busy enough still! there will always be work for the small scale man if he's a tidy operator, priced right and above all obliging.

lad beside me has an old poclain, worked up until a few years ago. fathers first cousin is using a hymac 580c at the moment to dig a pond for a fishsry on his lamd.

selectamatic

Tidy Hymacs are getting scarce/valuable! Don't think I've ever seen a poclain in the flesh, distinctive enough machine with the two tone colorway.

Kevhog1988

selectamatic wrote: »

Tidy Hymacs are getting scarce/valuable! Don't think I've ever seen a poclain in the flesh, distinctive enough machine with the two tone colorway.

ill get a pic. literally 500 yards from our place. the 580c is a tidy machine. pig of a yoke to drive. my uncles all started out on them and the 3cs here in mamchester in the 80s. machinery has come a serious long way in 35 years.

selectamatic

Have a grand uncle who drove mechanical diggers in manchester in the 50's and 60's he showed me pics of them a few years ago, they made 80's hymacs look like space ships :P

Kevhog1988

selectamatic wrote: »

Have a grand uncle who drove mechanical diggers in manchester in the 50's and 60's he showed me pics of them a few years ago, they made 80's hymacs look like space ships :P

have a grand uncle was set up in a big way here in 70s n 80s. i wonder who your uncle worked for. if ypu ever see the pics again try n take a pic on your phone . im sure i should of been a fevking digger driver rather than a quantity surveyor lol.

selectamatic

No bother I'll ask him the next time I see him could be a while away but I'll be sure to remember it. I'll drop ya a PM if I get any names or pics.

Jb1989

Base price wrote: »

Fingers crossed I will get to skive off early from work (yet again ) and hit Virginia around 2pm.

Did u get skiveing off for it,?
It was a grand afternoon
Grand show but doesn't seem as big as it was 20 years ago,
Plus I never seen the free baileys shots