Taxpayers asked to foot bill for morning after pill without prescription

Kermit.de.frog

It's a theme of discussion on Boards and everywhere that there is an increasing sense in Ireland that personal responsibility means f**k all and the state will be there to take care of you. We already see the social consequences of this attitude of dependency and protection in everyday life. It's like a virus.

So it comes as no surprise then that the ultimate act of a female choosing to open her own legs should be protected and paid for as well

- with free morning after pills paid for by the rest of us. It's already available through a GP prescription but some feel this is too much to ask.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/pharmacy-union-calls-for-free-morning-after-pill-for-medical-card-holders-674372.html

If you are working hard in this country, if you are in the middle you are getting screwed. Never mind the banks and all this lark that dependents use as an excuse - the biggest expense is the social welfare system. The government are taking your money and handing it over to the most feckless in society while you try to pay your mortgage, pay your bills and hold on to your job and live a decent life. Those at the bottom and the top are cuddled and well taken care of. Us in the middle are forced to pay for everything.

Where will this end? What else do we have to provide? This is a welfare state we could not afford in the boom and we can't afford it now.

I'd say a new political party that promised to put a stop to this would do well in Ireland with the silent majority.

myshirt

Here we go again.

Tombi!

Oh FFS. Condoms aren't on the responsibility of the woman and at times they break/fail to work.
So can we go on a major rant over men to or are we just focusing on the women today?

Oh and just to add: I think I'd rather foot the bill for the morning after pill for someone than pay their child support for their kid for the 18 years or whatever it is now.

Stheno

Did you read the article? This would actually save the state money as there is no fee claimed by doctors to provide a prescription

MagicMarker

That's one dumb ass post.

El Weirdo

I imagine the OP also likes to complain about the state supporting single mothers.

artanevilla

Contraception should be tax free at least.

suicide_circus

Money well spent

El Weirdo

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'd say a new political party that promised to put a stop to this would do well in Ireland with the silent majority.

Unfortunately, the "silent majority" aren't silent enough.

UCDVet

Eh - it's irrational to provide medical care to newborns at the taxpayer's expense but NOT to provide morning after pills. The cost of a morning after pill is much less (both in terms of financial impact, and social impact) compared to a child the parents don't want to the point where, the cost of the pill is a deciding factor in continuing the pregnancy.

I get the whole 'self reliance' argument - but we'd need to restructure....well....our whole society for it to make any sense. We don't expect everyone in our society to be self reliant, we have a ton of laws, taxes, credits, etc, etc....that are meant to provide aid to those who are not self reliant. As long as we're doing that, it's ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE better to pay for all the contraception in the world, because a lifetime of contraception is cheaper than the cost of raising just one child.

Lia_lia

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Oh FFS. Condoms aren't on the responsibility of the woman and at times they break/fail to work.
So can we go on a major rant over men to or are we just focusing on the women today?

Oh and just to add: I think I'd rather foot the bill for the morning after pill for someone than pay their child support for their kid for the 18 years or whatever it is now.

This, pretty much.

I also think the morning after pill should be free for students. I'll never forget having to borrow €90ish off my Mother when I was 18 because a condom broke. This was before you could get it OTC! So doctors visit + pill.

One eyed Jack

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's a theme of discussion on Boards and everywhere that there is an increasing sense in Ireland that personal responsibility means f**k all and the state will be there to take care of you. We already see the social consequences of this attitude of dependency and protection in everyday life. It's like a virus.

So it comes as no surprise then that the ultimate act of a female choosing to open her own legs should be protected and paid for as well

- with free morning after pills paid for by the rest of us. It's already available through a GP prescription but some feel this is too much to ask.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/pharmacy-union-calls-for-free-morning-after-pill-for-medical-card-holders-674372.html

If you are working hard in this country, if you are in the middle you are getting screwed. Never mind the banks and all this lark that dependents use as an excuse - the biggest expense is the social welfare system. The government are taking your money and handing it over to the most feckless in society while you try to pay your mortgage, pay your bills and hold on to your job and live a decent life. Those at the bottom and the top are cuddled and well taken care of. Us in the middle are forced to pay for everything.

Where will this end? What else do we have to provide? This is a welfare state we could not afford in the boom and we can't afford it now.

I'd say a new political party that promised to put a stop to this would do well in Ireland with the silent majority.

Speak for yourself tbh. I have no desire to be associated with such ignorance.

kneemos

Lia_lia wrote: »

This, pretty much.

I also think the morning after pill should be free for students. I'll never forget having to borrow €90ish off my Mother when I was 18 because a condom broke. This was before you could get it OTC! So doctors visit + pill.

Bloody expensive pill.

One of those rare occasions when we do something right.

Lia_lia

kneemos wrote: »

Bloody expensive pill.

One of those rare occasions when we do something right.

It's a lot cheaper now as far as I am aware! That would have been €50 for the docs and €40 for the pill. Now I'm pretty sure it's about €30 in a pharmacy.

mikom

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's a theme of discussion on Boards and everywhere that there is an increasing sense in Ireland that personal responsibility means f**k all and the state will be there to take care of you. We already see the social consequences of this attitude of dependency and protection in everyday life. It's like a virus.

So it comes as no surprise then that the ultimate act of a female choosing to open her own legs should be protected and paid for as well

- with free morning after pills paid for by the rest of us. It's already available through a GP prescription but some feel this is too much to ask.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/pharmacy-union-calls-for-free-morning-after-pill-for-medical-card-holders-674372.html

If you are working hard in this country, if you are in the middle you are getting screwed. Never mind the banks and all this lark that dependents use as an excuse - the biggest expense is the social welfare system. The government are taking your money and handing it over to the most feckless in society while you try to pay your mortgage, pay your bills and hold on to your job and live a decent life. Those at the bottom and the top are cuddled and well taken care of. Us in the middle are forced to pay for everything.

Where will this end? What else do we have to provide? This is a welfare state we could not afford in the boom and we can't afford it now.

I'd say a new political party that promised to put a stop to this would do well in Ireland with the silent majority.

How much does it cost to keep a child in care for a number of years?

Banjo String

This thread ain't going in the 'right' direction Kermit thought it would.

Not easy being green.

corner of hells

Banjo String wrote: »

This thread ain't going in the 'right' direction Kermit thought it would.

Not easy being green.

Not easy for him ridin' a pig either.

Banjo String

corner of hells wrote: »

Not easy for him ridin' a pig either.

We've all been there.

Alcohol usually played some part in it.

shruikan2553

If they have a medical card they are low income. They have to go to the doctor, the the pharmacy. Changing this would allow them to go straight to the pharmacy. It would be cheaper.

Did you even think or were you just looking for something to complain about?

Little CuChulainn

I'd rather see the state take on the cost of the pill than the cost of a child.

osarusan

Not sure this thread went how the OP was expecting...



EDIT:Banjo String beat me to it.

mikom

OP right now.......... http://31.media.tumblr.com/55e743a6c14ecf989ac7a8f744e58582/tumblr_n3kfmpZxcG1srkiv2o1_400.gif

CarpeDiem85

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Oh FFS. Condoms aren't on the responsibility of the woman and at times they break/fail to work.
So can we go on a major rant over men to or are we just focusing on the women today?

Oh and just to add: I think I'd rather foot the bill for the morning after pill for someone than pay their child support for their kid for the 18 years or whatever it is now.

It's the first 7 years now, just to be clear.

osarusan

mikom wrote: »

OP right now.......... http://31.media.tumblr.com/55e743a6c14ecf989ac7a8f744e58582/tumblr_n3kfmpZxcG1srkiv2o1_400.gif

Or maybe this

gctest50

all good news :

EVERY pharmacy in Ireland is able to sell the morning-after pill without prescription or GP authorisation after the Irish Medicines Board (IMB) approved the over the counter sale of Norlevo.

the pill can now be purchased without a dispensing fee, which should see its price dramatically reduced, with one chain already

announcing a retail price of €9.99 for Norlevo.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/ruling-cuts-cost-of-morning-after-pill-to-999-145480.html

just as well, saves putting any of the doctors-for-life in a position they may prefer not to be in

http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/doctors.jpg


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AndonHandon

Anything that keeps children being raised with state support via single parent allowances or whatever is worth the relatively small cost.

Trudiha

Bloody self impregnating women.

token101

artanevilla wrote: »

Contraception should be tax free at least.

Contraception should be free and actively encouraged for everyone aside from those looking to have children.

Kermit.de.frog

Why the hell should I pay for some one else's birth control? They can pay for it themselves.

Numbers is not the issue here or what is cheaper. Principle is the issue. I believe everyone should take personal responsibility for their own lives and the culture of state dependency should stop.

As stated in the OP as someone in the middle I get feck all help from the state yet we are told to pay for everyone else. It's not right. They can run their own lives and take responsibility.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why the hell should I pay for some one else's birth control? They can pay for it themselves.

Numbers is not the issue here or what is cheaper. Principle is the issue. I believe everyone should take personal responsibility for their own lives and the culture of state dependency should stop.

As stated in the OP as someone in the middle I get feck all help from the state yet we are told to pay for everyone else. It's not right. They can run their own lives and take responsibility.

Well then in principle you're right and in the real world you'd be shooting yourself in the foot to oppose this.

In other words this is something that both results in you paying less for other people AND gives you the opportunity for a broad spectrum rant. You should be delighted. Or angry. Seems to be the same thing in your case.

Lia_lia

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why the hell should I pay for some one else's birth control? They can pay for it themselves.

Numbers is not the issue here or what is cheaper. Principle is the issue. I believe everyone should take personal responsibility for their own lives and the culture of state dependency should stop.

As stated in the OP as someone in the middle I get feck all help from the state yet we are told to pay for everyone else. It's not right. They can run their own lives and take responsibility.

:rolleyes:

So you think the medical card should be gotten rid of altogether then?

I'm also "in the middle", same as you. I pay very high taxes. However, I was brought up by a single Mother and the medical card helped us for a good few years until my Mother earned enough for us not to need it anymore.

So sick of people thinking those on welfare are all lazy etc.

Kermit.de.frog

Francisco Ashy Urchin wrote: »

Well then in principle you're right and in the real world you'd be shooting yourself in the foot to oppose this.

In other words this is something that both results in you paying less for other people AND gives you the opportunity for a broad spectrum rant. You should be delighted. Or angry. Seems to be the same thing in your case.

There is an easy solution to your rant too.


Stop child benefit after the second child which is halved after the first child and means test it as well. That would be too sensible for Ireland though.

kneemos

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why the hell should I pay for some one else's birth control? They can pay for it themselves.

Numbers is not the issue here or what is cheaper. Principle is the issue. I believe everyone should take personal responsibility for their own lives and the culture of state dependency should stop.

As stated in the OP as someone in the middle I get feck all help from the state yet we are told to pay for everyone else. It's not right. They can run their own lives and take responsibility.

What does the birth of a child cost in checkups,birth,ongoing medical costs,schools,children's allowance,teachers salaries,mothers healthcare?not to mention the social problems of single mothers or unwanted children.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There is an easy solution to your rant too.


Stop child benefit after the second child which is halved after the first child and means test it as well.

Totally agree with means testing child benefit. Not sure of the point of introducing an administrative nightmare like the first suggestion, and I fail to see how it's better than reducing unwanted pregnancies in the first place.

Kermit.de.frog

Lia_lia wrote: »

:rolleyes:

So you think the medical card should be gotten rid of altogether then?

Preferably. I would prefer to see a move to a more corporate health care model taking the strain off central taxation. If you are not a feckless imbecile you would be bloody well sure to be able to afford a policy of some sort and have your act in gear. Idleness and dependency is promoted under the current model and so is a welfare trap.

Kermit.de.frog

Francisco Ashy Urchin wrote: »

Totally agree with means testing child benefit. Not sure of the point of introducing an administrative nightmare like the first suggestion

You should not be able to have a career out of having children. The current model is paying people to have children. Any number of children and you get the same amount per child. It's insane from an expenditure and social point of view.

kneemos

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You should not be able to have a career out of having children. The current model is paying people to have children. Any number of children and you get the same amount per child. It's insane from an expenditure and social point of view.

That's classic dude.Giving out about a free contraceptive pill and childrens allowance

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You should not be able to have a career out of having children. The current model is paying people to have children. Any number of children and you get the same amount per child. It's insane from an expenditure and social point of view.

So again, perhaps we should actively facilitate people NOT to have children that they don't want or can't afford by providing affordable and accessible emergency contraception. And abortion, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Kermit.de.frog

kneemos wrote: »

That's classic dude.Giving out about a free contraceptive pill and childrens allowance

Neither is "free".

pmasterson95

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Preferably. I would prefer to see a move to a more corporate health care model taking the strain off central taxation. If you are not a feckless imbecile you would be bloody well sure to be able to afford a policy of some sort and have your act in gear. Idleness and dependency is promoted under the current model and so is a welfare trap.

Yeah because jobs are so easy sure theres a choice of 3 for everyone. No people leaving abroad to get jobs or anything. Sure everyone is earning bombloads of money. You need a reality check kermit

pmasterson95

Francisco Ashy Urchin wrote: »

So again, perhaps we should actively facilitate people NOT to have children that they don't want or can't afford by providing affordable and accessible emergency contraception. And abortion, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

We should neuter everyone at birth.

Kermit.de.frog

Francisco Ashy Urchin wrote: »

So again, perhaps we should actively facilitate people NOT to have children that they don't want or can't afford by providing affordable and accessible emergency contraception. And abortion, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

We should not be providing anything. I'd just about go along with 2 children max child benefit. Ideally i'd scrap it completely.

People should provide for themselves and if they can't - tough. You just have to make do.

kneemos

pmasterson95 wrote: »

We should neuter everyone at birth.

Not for free though.

pmasterson95

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We should not be providing anything. I'd just about go along with 2 children max child benefit. Ideally i'd scrap it completely.

People should provide for themselves and if they can't - tough. You just have to make do.

Kim Jong Un is proud of you.

Kermit.de.frog

pmasterson95 wrote: »

Yeah because jobs are so easy sure theres a choice of 3 for everyone. No people leaving abroad to get jobs or anything. Sure everyone is earning bombloads of money. You need a reality check kermit

Nonsense. You could have a job if you really wanted one. Go start your own business or up skill or do something. Plenty of things you can do as an alternative to pumping out children and then moaning about it.

Your argument is the equivalent of a scrote after putting in someone's window complaining "nuthin to do"...

shruikan2553

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We should not be providing anything. I'd just about go along with 2 children max child benefit. Ideally i'd scrap it completely.

People should provide for themselves and if they can't - tough. You just have to make do.

Thats all well and good in theory but what happens when a person cant afford their third or forth child? Take them into care? How much would that cost instead? You already want them to have children rather than provide contraception.

You can talk about personal responsibility all you want but if people arent responsible for themselves are we to let them die?

pmasterson95

kneemos wrote: »

Not for free though.

Neuter them at birth then put then in a labour camp at age 13 with one slice of bread per week. They dont leave the camp and earn a wage until 18. The 5 unpaid years in the labour camp with meagre rations will equate the nuetering costs.

Heil Kermit.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We should not be providing anything. I'd just about go along with 2 children max child benefit. Ideally i'd scrap it completely.

People should provide for themselves and if they can't - tough. You just have to make do.

Look, if you're giving out about the size of the social welfare bill, then it makes no sense to oppose this.

If you're arguing against the need for social welfare altogether, then this is still a strange opener.

Kermit.de.frog

Francisco Ashy Urchin wrote: »

If you're arguing against the need for social welfare altogether

I'm not against all social welfare but I am against the broad welfare state. That applies to the rich as well. They get welfare too.

pmasterson95

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Nonsense. You could have a job if you really wanted one. Go start your own business or up skill or do something. Plenty of things you can do as an alternative to pumping out children and then moaning about it.

Your argument is the equivalent of a scrote after putting in someone's window complaining "nuthin to do"...

Starting a business is easy yeah. Dont have very expensive costs in first year. Dont require liquid assets. Sure its not like people of got into debt over failed start ups. And majority of start ups do fail woeully. But yeah not a bother everyone can do that.


Lordy you clearly didnt study business or economics.

kneemos

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We should not be providing anything. I'd just about go along with 2 children max child benefit. Ideally i'd scrap it completely.

People should provide for themselves and if they can't - tough. You just have to make do.

Will you take your pension when you retire?