Leopardstown 15/4

DiarmuidBoy89

Any tips for a student!

sword1

DiarmuidBoy89 wrote: »

Any tips for a student!

Study well, go easy on the beer

Pinesky

DiarmuidBoy89 wrote: »

Any tips for a student!

don't do it up against the door of the ATR van .
You could be live on TV with Chapman commentating .

Shemale

DiarmuidBoy89 wrote: »

Any tips for a student!

Stay in school

pugw

Everyone is a wise ass! General tips:
1) I stand to be corrected but it's midweek irish racing so some races will probably be open enough don't be afraid to look past the favourite! They get beaten as often as they win
2) don't back anything at less than 2/1 if your only betting small
3) Check the betting section of irishracing.com to see if there is money coming for any horses in leopardstown tomorrow it can sometimes pay to follow these gambles! Also check here and other betting forums for threads for tomorrows racing
4) as you'll see in recent threads here maybe worth sticking worth horses trainees by dermot weld and ridden by pat sMullen as he is on fire at the moment whereas aidan obriens horses aren't winning much yet
Good luck

ogruairi

Just remember to plan out how your going to spend your gambling money there. Don't be tempted to go big on the first race if there's a 'sure thing' and be left with pennies for the remainder of the day if it doesn't come in!

DylanAFC

Stay away from all Aidan O' Brien runners.

Copper_pipe

Will use this advise for Limerick on the thursday

Peintre Celebre

Not Leop but chanced the well handicapped but unreliable Shackalackaboomboom at 9/1 at Chelt tomorrow. Ran better last time and could cash in on a lower mark

sdoc13

8 45 Kempton Archie Stevens seems well handicapped. has won 3 times over 6f on the all weather off marks of 75, 72 and 63 most recently in Jan 2013. Ran a decent race at wolverhampton on the 7th March when beaten 2l into 5th off a mark of 70 under tomorrows rider. Well beaten next too starts but has come down 8lbs as a result. Think 10/1 is reasonable value. 3 pts win

Peintre Celebre

sdoc13 wrote: »

8 45 Kempton Archie Stevens seems well handicapped. has won 3 times over 6f on the all weather off marks of 75, 72 and 63 most recently in Jan 2013. Ran a decent race at wolverhampton on the 7th March when beaten 2l into 5th off a mark of 70 under tomorrows rider. Well beaten next too starts but has come down 8lbs as a result. Think 10/1 is reasonable value. 3 pts win

One of two I was considering backing at Kempton tomorrow. But Evans is bent as a banana and they backed him last time, I'd expect another two or three quiet runs and a good plunge but I could be wrong. Thought Sheikh the Reins might win tomorrow but wanted 8/1, missed the 13/2 now only about 4.


One the best handicapped horses I've seen in a while runs in the 1 mile handicap at Leop tomorrow but might hold off one more run

sdoc13

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

One of two I was considering backing at Kempton tomorrow. But Evans is bent as a banana and they backed him last time, I'd expect another two or three quiet runs and a good plunge but I could be wrong. Thought Sheikh the Reins might win tomorrow but wanted 8/1, missed the 13/2 now only about 4.


One the best handicapped horses I've seen in a while runs in the 1 mile handicap at Leop tomorrow but might hold off one more run

Ya Evans likes a punt. Bates being back up after running well on him kind of tipped the balance. If not tomorrow will wait till he runs at Wolves again to pull the trigger. Havent had a look at Leopardstown yet. Will now though.

Is it the one you put up in Tipp the last day?

helimachoptor

Please don't piss in my estate as you leave the racecourse:(

shmeee

pugw wrote: »

4) as you'll see in recent threads here maybe worth sticking worth horses trainees by dermot weld and ridden by pat sMullen as he is on fire at the moment whereas aidan obriens horses aren't winning much yet
Good luck

Weld's runners have been well backed already tomorrow.

3.10 Gulf Of Poets 3/1 into 7/4
3.45 Fascinating Rock 2/1 into evens in places now.
5.25 Valac 5/2 into evens.

Done the treble there @ 11/1 with bet365 for interest.

sdoc13

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

One of two I was considering backing at Kempton tomorrow. But Evans is bent as a banana and they backed him last time, I'd expect another two or three quiet runs and a good plunge but I could be wrong. Thought Sheikh the Reins might win tomorrow but wanted 8/1, missed the 13/2 now only about 4.


One the best handicapped horses I've seen in a while runs in the 1 mile handicap at Leop tomorrow but might hold off one more run

Found it. Unbelievably well handicapped. Would agree with the one more run. Better draw would help.

If it finished in mid field tomorrow could be a very nice price the next day. Gone into tracker.

Francie Barrett

That Leopardstown card would leave you hard pressed to find winners. Generally, the big trainers have been even quieter than usual over the Winter period, so there really is no telling what sort of form they're in (except for Weld). Having said that, there is one horse that looks laid out for tomorrow being exceptionally well handicapped and going over ideal ground and trip.

shmeee

Corporate Box in the 3.25 Limerick looks well in after winning with plenty in hand last Sunday, hard to see a 4lb rise preventing her from following up here. Was very well supported on track the last day before the off.

Bet365 still go 9/2, 7/2 Powers and 3/1 BFSB.

shmeee

Also double of Faydhan at Newmarket in the 3.30 and San Benedeto at Cheltenham in the 5.30. Best price 3.85.

Mocha Joe

Francie Barrett wrote: »

That Leopardstown card would leave you hard pressed to find winners. Generally, the big trainers have been even quieter than usual over the Winter period, so there really is no telling what sort of form they're in (except for Weld). Having said that, there is one horse that looks laid out for tomorrow being exceptionally well handicapped and going over ideal ground and trip.

It has to remain secret or........the world will end??:eek:

REFLINE1

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

One of two I was considering backing at Kempton tomorrow. But Evans is bent as a banana and they backed him last time, I'd expect another two or three quiet runs and a good plunge but I could be wrong. Thought Sheikh the Reins might win tomorrow but wanted 8/1, missed the 13/2 now only about 4.


One the best handicapped horses I've seen in a while runs in the 1 mile handicap at Leop tomorrow but might hold off one more run

B the b?

DiarmuidBoy89

Francie Barrett wrote: »

That Leopardstown card would leave you hard pressed to find winners. Generally, the big trainers have been even quieter than usual over the Winter period, so there really is no telling what sort of form they're in (except for Weld). Having said that, there is one horse that looks laid out for tomorrow being exceptionally well handicapped and going over ideal ground and trip.

Care to share the name of the horse?;)

Francie Barrett

Mocha Joe wrote: »

It has to remain secret or........the world will end??:eek:

:pac:

Diesel Ten in the 6:25 is the one I like. 16/1.

Lt J.R. Bell

3.45 If Alive Alive Oh, can't get past Fascinating Rock Today, when she is match fit and on her alleged favourite ground (so is he) and sholdering 10lb lesser weight, then frankly , it should be the knackers yard for that horse.

Give Dunquin another chance in the first. Note keen on the draw though

tryfix

Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

3.45 If Alive Alive Oh, can't get past Fascinating Rock Today, when she is match fit and on her alleged favourite ground (so is he) and sholdering 10lb lesser weight, then frankly , it should be the knackers yard for that horse.

Give Dunquin another chance in the first. Note keen on the draw though

That's a fascinating race and Fascinating Rock isn't well in at the weights with Chopin and Cougar Mountain.

Cougar Mountain is stepping up in trip from Sprint distances where he's a GP 1 performer, if O'Briens run well earlier he's worth a bet. Chopin is the choice here for me, he was very classy and if he runs to his now moderate 112 OR for his new trainer then Fascinating Rock would have to put in 117-118 performance to beat him. That'd be a 6-7lb improvement and Group 1 form for Fascinating Rock who isn't a GP 1 horse.

Peintre Celebre

REFLINE1 wrote: »

B the b?

Golden shoe. Worth a small bet at 25/1 but I'd be somewhat surprised it it was today

shy-tall-knight

Thread should be Cheltenham 15/4 not Leopardstown

16:25-I like Dream Dial. Am forgetting about his last run on soft, didn't act on the ground at all. Return to better ground is a major plus as he is by Presenting and his dam did her winning on a sound surface as well. Won well when fresh at Exeter in November so I'm sure he'll be fit today. Form of that Exeter race has worked out very well. Also Jeremy Scott took this race with Sir Kezbah a few years back so could well have been a target for this lad for some time.
Paddy Power go 5 places and looks worth an each way poke at 16/1.

Harry Angstrom

Like the look of Gosden's filly in the Nell Gwyn. Winner of a maiden over C/D last season, Ryan Moore on board, and trainer has a good record in this race over the years. Been a few quid for her for the Guineas as well.

Lt J.R. Bell

tryfix wrote: »

That's a fascinating race and Fascinating Rock isn't well in at the weights with Chopin and Cougar Mountain.

Cougar Mountain is stepping up in trip from Sprint distances where he's a GP 1 performer, if O'Briens run well earlier he's worth a bet. Chopin is the choice here for me, he was very classy and if he runs to his now moderate 112 OR for his new trainer then Fascinating Rock would have to put in 117-118 performance to beat him. That'd be a 6-7lb improvement and Group 1 form for Fascinating Rock who isn't a GP 1 horse.

Well Leoppy is a fair track so, stamina might not be a problem normally so long as one doesn't make errors on the bend. Soft ground though for Cougar?

My view on Alive Alive Oh is not based on any notions that she is a top class horse, just she is more fitter

tryfix

Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

Well Leoppy is a fair track so, stamina might not be a problem normally so long as one doesn't make errors on the bend. Soft ground though for Cougar?

My view on Alive Alive Oh is not based on any notions that she is a top class horse, just she is more fitter

I wouldn't be worried about Cougar handling Soft ground, he handled it well behind Slade Power, I'd be more worried about stable form and the trip.

To tell the truth, Chopin is the one that I'd fear mightn't handle the ground.

As for Alive Alive Oh, you're right about fitness and well if your gut is telling you to go for her then now is the time. An awful lot of boards money has gone down the drain following her and it would be sweet to be on her on the day she finally comes good again.:)

superfurry1

I like the look of Daveron 3:15 at Cheltenham 25-1 has some nice form if you forget last run.

Lt J.R. Bell

What is with Kevin Manning's fetish with getting all his horses into trouble and landing themselves in a barging match. Constantly going for gaps that aren't there.

He did it a lot with Dawn Approach , and did it at Newmarket in last October in a two year old race.

Godolphin should demand from Bolger that Manning does not go near their horses.

High Time for Bolger to cut family ties and actually get a decent jockey. Are things that bad with Bolger that no one would work for him?

And no , its not pocket talking (only had 3 poxy euro on),. the horse today is still a maiden for a reason, but that ride was awful. When he wins it looks great but he is utterly one dimensional. The only thing is is consistent at is getting his horse into unnecessary scraps

tryfix

Oops, the Faydhan bubble bursts which is an awful pity.

War Fronts, they cost a lot of money, look the business and disappoint a lot.

shmeee

shmeee wrote: »

Corporate Box in the 3.25 Limerick looks well in after winning with plenty in hand last Sunday, hard to see a 4lb rise preventing her from following up here. Was very well supported on track the last day before the off.

Bet365 still go 9/2, 7/2 Powers and 3/1 BFSB.

6/1 winner. Lovely stuff!

Peintre Celebre

tryfix wrote: »

Oops, the Faydhan bubble bursts which is an awful pity.

War Fronts, they cost a lot of money, look the business and disappoint a lot.

Yeah you'd have to wonder how long this will last. Was only thinking last night, how many War Fronts has Aidan won a maiden with at about 1/3 and done nothing since

superfurry1

Is it just me or anyone else have a horrible case of seconditis, im riddled with the stuff.:mad:

rocky911

shmeee wrote: »

6/1 winner. Lovely stuff!

Ran well in Tramore to be fair.. Roger is shrewd operator! You dont win Foxhunters easy..

Lt J.R. Bell

I do not care how good Fascinating Rock is on soft ground around Leoppy, or how on fire Weld n Smullen are, how in gods name does a half decent and older filly loose out to a horse carrying more than 10 lbs on his back and its his first run of the season.

As I said , its the knackers yard for that horse. (decent run..)

God has forsaken me lately on the GG's

tryfix

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Yeah you'd have to wonder how long this will last. Was only thinking last night, how many War Fronts has Aidan won a maiden with at about 1/3 and done nothing since

They are very good looking types as stallion prospects, but he's a very expensive stallion to be using for throwing darts. I see O'Brien still has a few million dollar War Front 2yos in training.

At least Coolmore have two very nice War Front stallions to plug so you can see some sense in their playing the hype game, but jaysus they're simply not worth the money they're making.

Lt J.R. Bell

Jesus, its a weird day when Frankie Dettori is your saviour (Osaila) .That is some horse, a ridiculous amount of races for a two year old.

tryfix

Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

I do not care how good Fascinating Rock is on soft ground around Leoppy, or how on fire Weld n Smullen are, how in gods name does a half decent and older filly loose out to a horse carrying more than 10 lbs on his back and its his first run of the season.

As I said , its the knackers yard for that horse. (decent run..)

God has forsaken me lately on the GG's

Early season form, it would break you.:) Still Fascinating Rock ( may be a new Famous Name type ) must have improved a hell of a lot to come back to a mile and win so well, remember Australia made him look like a tree last year in the Irish Derby.

jimjamcos

Have to agree re War Fronts. On visual impression I thought Faydhan would prove the exception but I suppose, on reflection, War Command, looked a superstar 2yo too and never really trained on.

shy-tall-knight

Interesting run from from Golden Ticket to put it mildly.

Lt J.R. Bell

tryfix wrote: »

Early season form, it would break you.:) Still Fascinating Rock ( may be a new Famous Name type ) must have improved a hell of a lot to come back to a mile and win so well, remember Australia made him look like a tree last year in the Irish Derby.

Listen, (Aidan O'Brien mode), to do what he did and carry 10 lbs more than the next horse, on first run of the season (he won his first two last year) is impressive . He never carried 910 before .oh, and as you pointed out, at a shorter distance to what he's use to.

Never mind the Derby, he only won the Derrinstown Trial race because of a steward , Oxx's horse was a bit unlucky

Well, Weld was flying it last year, but not this good. He is bound to get a least 2 Irish Group 1's this year (that are not the St Ledger) other than that, he won't be around for the bigger prizes. I am struggling to see what O'Brien has this year.

krustydoyle

I dunno what Chris Hayes was at on Yes I Am there.. Shocking ride

krustydoyle

Going to take a chance on Festive Fare in Newmarket here

tryfix

Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

Listen, (Aidan O'Brien mode), to do what he did and carry 10 lbs more than the next horse, on first run of the season (he won his first two last year) is impressive . He never carried 910 before .oh, and as you pointed out, at a shorter distance to what he's use to.

Never mind the Derby, he only won the Derrinstown Trial race because of a steward , Oxx's horse was a bit unlucky

Well, Weld was flying it last year, but not this good. He is bound to get a least 2 Irish Group 1's this year (that are not the St Ledger) other than that, he won't be around for the bigger prizes. I am struggling to see what O'Brien has this year.

He gave Alive Alive Oh ( 102 ) 10lbs and another 3-4lbs for the distance beating today = 13-14lbs + 102 = 115/116 = a good quality GP 2 miler. :eek: It's just one dodgy race, but he could repeat the dose again under the right circumstance.

I've no real time for Welds horses when they contest a series of top GP1 races. There's more than a touch of the flat track bully about Welds horses IMO, but he's got some better bred animals this weather so we'll see.

As for O'Brien he has an embarrassment of good 3yo Galileos this year and the opposition to them is thin on the ground.

I've been a huge fan of Ol' Man River since before he ran and I'm delighted to see them bigging up Highland Reel again.

Peintre Celebre

Highland Reel looks a machine and a nice Australian pedigree with some speed in there.

You'd imagine he'd want real good ground

boomtown84

Francie Barrett wrote: »

:pac:

Diesel Ten in the 6:25 is the one I like. 16/1.

Very unlucky!

Lt J.R. Bell

tryfix wrote: »

He gave Alive Alive Oh ( 102 ) 10lbs and another 3-4lbs for the distance beating today = 13-14lbs + 102 = 115/116 = a good quality GP 2 miler. :eek: It's just one dodgy race, but he could repeat the dose again under the right circumstance.

I've no real time for Welds horses when they contest a series of top GP1 races. There's more than a touch of the flat track bully about Welds horses IMO, but he's got some better bred animals this weather so we'll see.

As for O'Brien he has an embarrassment of good 3yo Galileos this year and the opposition to them is thin on the ground.

I've been a huge fan of Ol' Man River since before he ran and I'm delighted to see them bigging up Highland Reel again.

Irish classics in the bag so

Which 3 year olds in England are worth looking at?

Mark Johnson is taking the two year old division more seriously this year with a load of new horses.

Hannon, well, some of last year's 3 years olds like Tooramore (after a great 2 year) was a bit disappointing. Twiggy Wiggy?

Whose gonna ride for Gosden? Frankie?

superfurry1

boomtown84 wrote: »

Very unlucky!

Unlucky Francie forgot to bet on it, Wasn't on so can't be blamed.

tryfix

Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

Irish classics in the bag so

Which 3 year olds in England are worth looking at?

Mark Johnson is taking the two year old division more seriously this year with a load of new horses.

Hannon, well, some of last year's 3 years olds like Tooramore (after a great 2 year) was a bit disappointing. Twiggy Wiggy?

Whose gonna ride for Gosden? Frankie?

The thing with the 3yo English Horses is that something will burst on the scene. Hannon has a very strong hand for the 2,000 Guineas, and Gleneagles is beatable. I was a big fan of Richard Pankhurst's form but he's had a setback.

I've the height of respect for the Dewhurst and Racing Post winners but can't take their end of year soft ground form seriously because soft ground form is dodgy.

The Dante will throw up a top English challenger/s for the Derby and there's no point in guessing which of the less exposed English horses has a chance at this stage. It's hard to look beyond Elm Park as the main English challenger until the Dante is out of the way or until he falls by the wayside.

Haven't given the fillies or older horses any serious consideration yet, beyond being a big admirer of The Grey Gatsby's 3yo form and thinking he could have a King George in him..