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Aly Daly

I think us grass men might be extinct soon with the price of these stores.

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123120124#Comment_123120124

Its the same story with cows that would normally be fed. Factories are killing everything. There will be a real shortage of stock this Summer and back end.

Sodbuster66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123120431#Comment_123120431

never mind the numbers been exported. I expect sucks will be dear this spring, day of 20/30e for a fr bull is gone i reckon

Robson99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123120431#Comment_123120431

Continental cattle 700kgs + making the equivelant of € 7/kg factory price in the marts ….725kgs - € 2950…750kgs - €3050… there is some squeeze coming

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123120613#Comment_123120613

I was thinking the same.

It's impossible to predict the future for 18 months to 2 years. If cattle fall drastically the dairy beef game could be loss making.

Sodbuster66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123120650#Comment_123120650

goes in cycles. few years back dairy men finished fr bulls and there were so many of them that they found it difficult to get them slaughtered. Now that prices are high they will be inclined to keep some again, "rinse, repeat"

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123120708#Comment_123120708

Many of them do not haven't get N capacity especially with the new slurry rules

50HX

I'm trying to get my hands on a redundant silage slab less than a mile from me.

If I can get it I will make a pit that will be for sale whenever, safe out in pit form v bales & yet I'd still have access to it if beef price collapsed & I can up numbers without worrying about ground for silage

Failing that & if the opportunity arises I will make hay, have storage & safer than excess bales.

Above will be post letting grass growing

Ive 20 acres let as of yestarday.

Need to toughen on another 4weeks on another block I'm thinking of letting off for one cut only.

I can't see another way of minimising exposure to escalating beef price other than contract rearing.

Anyone else looking at something else besides purchasing?

HHH

I had considered accelerating the reseeding plan and cut back slightly on numbers in the hope that the uncertainty will settle down a bit later in the year.

weatherbyfoxer

Blue tongue is forecast to arrive here june/July..Will be plenty of cheap stores then

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123121414#Comment_123121414

Qtr of the place let to a dairy neighbour, I'm in Acres, dropped number to keep the same ball of money tied up, was getting out of sheep last year but most will go this year and last third next year.

There is only so much a fellow can do bar controlling numbers when prices are like this, lad could drop a 100k no bother to fill a shed, no insulating from that.

grass10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123121414#Comment_123121414

Don't go contract rearing too many lads tried that and the dairy man is the only winner

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123121414#Comment_123121414

Bales, watch the weather mid/late May take a 1st cut do not worry if it runs to mid June if its good quality it will always sell, let it down 3-4 days, use an additive, stack at least 3 high on the side not the end. Put 4 layers of plastic 25 ish bales to the roll. 2nd cut can be anytime from mid July to late August defending on first cut to an extent.

Horsey crowd paying 45-50 per bale for quality haylage in big compact bales

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123120019#Comment_123120019

It depends on your land if you can carry over into the winter and feed outside raggy heifers sub 300 kgs hitting 24 months. Kill a llight weights sub 250 kgs DW in August or carry into 300+ late in the Autum or carry further on after Christmas. Plain light bullocks again 22+ months 300-350 kgs and carry to the autumn.

Its not aoo much about profit as its much about minimising possible losses. However I am reluctant to give advice to grass buyers, this might be the year to gamble and carry the risk.

I got out of winter finishing 10+ years ago( I might polish off a bunch of left overs from the grass system) because you are trying to buy against grass and feedlot buyers. And are exposed to high costs.

We have 115 cattle. 90 ish heading forc2 years of age in the next 4-5 months and 25 ish yearling. Some very plain light cattle there

These are out on rape oats and silage( I must post on the winter forage thread disaster on that side) the most expensive animal there is slightly less than 600 euro the cheapest is a 120 euro 3 month. The are in the system 6-14 months.

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older by the day

For jayus sake don't be giving out about high prices, how many years have lads like myself, have reared calves to yearlings for a profit of 100 euro. How many fellas have kept a suckler cow for a year and sold 9 mth old weanlings for 7 to 8 hundred euro.

Fellas on here wishing prices down, when the reason is that cattle are scarce because the lads rearing calves and weanlings for ye, were hardly covering their costs, not to mind their time.

Surely it's not our job in life to keep producing cattle for, 50 cent a day profit.

If you don't want to pay 000s then get a few buckets, a few bags of milk replacer, a few bales of straw and buy calves. Or is that too much work for ye

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123122260#Comment_123122260

are they recent photos?

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123122260#Comment_123122260

That rape is a waste of time, a pittance of yield in it. If you want a decent crop to outwinter cattle kale sown in June is the only job.

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123122718#Comment_123122718

I’d agree with you there but the problem with June kale is you’re a full 12 months without your field for grazing just to be able to out winter.

Anto_Meath

@older by the day so true, cattle are now only really coming into their true value.. but the fear is if they go back you are now playing with higher stake money so you are at risk of loosing more. Farmers with cows are more protected, as they have the animal at first cost..

50HX

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123122528#Comment_123122528

Ah come on, there is nobody putting a gun to your head to rear calves or keep sucklers to turn a few hundred euros....if you know your system is not as profitable as it could be then that's not the fault of the buyer of your cattle.

Paying 000's is not the issue, it's the uncertainty of beef price that's the issue & the gamble on re stocking that brings

Delighted for those getting a good twist on stores, I was at sucklers long enough.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123122673#Comment_123122673

Yes during the week.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123122718#Comment_123122718

The reason I planted it is because of the way last summer was I was back on silage. I did a fodder budget in late July and my analysis was I would have to sell some of the stores. I have grown ordinary rape before not Redstart. Had heard great reports of Redstart decided to try it. In Australia they use oats with it and I decided to bulk it up with oats. However it took two weeks longer to get it in than I planned, the drought in September ment a lot of the the rape did not germinate until the rain at the of September. It flew after that. This was the crop in early November

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It was a soft crop in an open site, the wind and late in late November broke the stems of the strongest of the the rape and the snow knocked down the oats.

On the plus side as the autumn came so good I bought about 30 light yearlings, I would not have except the crop looked so good in November

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123122786#Comment_123122786

We are farming in a different climate. Doubt a single field of mine would stand up to that.

Farm365

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123122260#Comment_123122260

There is a shine off the cattle they seem to be thriving on it. Did the silage get rain when you cut it? Is that mould on it?

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123122889#Comment_123122889

They are getting minerals on the silage and iodine in the water. The silage was perfect but has been on its ends in the fields since September. There's of the crop came out of the stack perfect. I think it's either crow damage or water going through it because it's stacked on it end. Not a significant amount of mould on the bales and it seems to be mainly on that side of the bales facing west north West.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123122869#Comment_123122869

Ground was only sprayed off not tilled. Seed was direct drilled into it. A 9-10 acre field and 5-6 acres planted so a decent run back. Also theyare moving fast through it. They ate only on it about 7 weeks. It woukd look different if it was a heavier crop and if tgey did not have the run back. As well this has Ben a reasonably dry winter after a dry summer and Autumn

patsy_mccabe

Watch the blue mould, Bass. It can cause listeriosis in cattle. Remove it from the bales and take from the field. Don't breath it in either.

WoozieWu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123122528#Comment_123122528

zero sympathy for the middleman, they were laughing at you for years for doing all the work

WoozieWu

@Bass Reeves that silage looks like dung

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123122831#Comment_123122831

A few years back we had kale on an outside farm. We wintered in calf heifers on it. They also had free access to cubicles and self feed silage. Did it for a few years. Must have been the best and fittest in calf heifers we ever had.

kk.man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123122528#Comment_123122528

Very good post. Despite beef at all time high people who operate that system will not much better off. For some reason it won't lift all boats. We will see a increase in feed prices, vets, insurance, machinery etc. What happens when beef collapses, no of the aforementioned comes down in price and your 100e margin is diminished. No one who sells cattle is given out about the prices, it's the massive uncertainty is the issue. I will probably spend 50k on cattle in the next couple of months. If I lose so be it but when I return to the market in the crash ill screw the primary producer because cattle prices will be on the floor. If finishers like me make a big loss it will take a good few years before we inject confidence into the ring. We are all in this together, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.