Tractors at rush hour

cantdecide

I've been driving to and from work in Mahon and in the last few weeks/ months I seem to be permanently encountering tractors in the morning and evenings on the dual carriageways around the city.

Anyone else experiencing an increase in this? I've seen some pretty serious traffic shocks going on in the N25 and even the south ring as well as the chaos of tractor drivers who insist on driving in the traffic at rush hour.

Rhys Essien

You would see a lot of them on the N25 and the fact that its 120kph speed limit for a stretch,effectively motorway,its a wonder how they are allowed.How there is not a major crash yet,I dont know.
They should be made use the old road from the tunnel to Midleton and be kept off the dual carriageway.

Lambofdave

Rhys Essien wrote: »

You would see a lot of them on the N25 and the fact that its 120kph speed limit for a stretch,effectively motorway,its a wonder how they are allowed.How there is not a major crash yet,I dont know.
They should be made use the old road from the tunnel to Midleton and be kept off the dual carriageway.

as its a dual carriage way there is no problem with them being on them, if people can't cope with other traffic on the roads maybe they shouldn't be driving?

As for rush hour traffic what speed is that doing?

j8wk2feszrnpao

I hit the rush between Little Island and Carrigtwohill every day. Rarely is there a tractor on the road.
If they were on the old road, with little overtaking opportunity, there'd be others complaining about them using that road.

cantdecide

Lambofdave wrote: »

as its a dual carriage way there is no problem with them being on them,

Thank goodness it's not illegal for them to be there.

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I hit the rush between Little Island and Carrigtwohill every day. Rarely is there a tractor on the road.

I can assure you I've encountered between 1 to a few a week between the mornings and evenings for the last few months. Of course it may be the same handful of tractors repeating the same journeys.

munstermagic11 wrote: »

If they were on the old road, with little overtaking opportunity, there'd be others complaining about them using that road.

It's not their presence. It's their timing. You would expect to see them on B-roads but not rumbling along in the middle of the dual carriageway driving lane in rainy Monday morning rush hour traffic.

Rhys Essien wrote: »

its a wonder how they are allowed.How there is not a major crash yet,I dont know.

My question is that there are major smashes on that road. Several a year. Aside from the consternation of the snow, particularly when the dark mornings start kicking in, you will get backed up behind tailbacks caused by pile-ups and in the case of the N25 they appear to happen on the straight stretches such as up near Harper's Island where there are no junctions and no obvious explanations.

In or around january twice in a fortnight I've seen the traffic shocked to a stop at Carrigtwohill and eventually overtaken the tractor that caused it at Little Island. The first time I was nearly rear-ended myself. It was a this point their ill-timed presence began to really irk me. If a tractor causes a shock which causes a pile-up since it's not illegal for the tractors to be there and consequently not illegal for them to cause a traffic shock, why would the guards investigate the reason for a pile up or take any action against the root cause? There would be no motivation to.

Ludo

While I agree that there are too many tractors using the n40 and n25 ( I see them nearly every day on the n40) are they really the root cause of any potential accident? Or is it the car driver going way too fast for the situation and in his determination to get past quickly ends up in or causes an accident?

solargain

Any vehicle doing 50km per hour is a danger on a road where the speed limit is 120km . You need to drive with the flow of traffic and not cause a major hold up for 10 miles.
Traffic on the N25 is bumper to bumper from Midleton to the tunnell in the mornings. 1 slow moving vehicle can really block it up, then the jumping lanes that starts trying to get out past them causes the trouble

soundsham

I know that in Germany or some of its cities certain types of vehicles are not allowed on some roads near the city between 6am and 7 or 8 in the evening
Also I remember in London seeing Jcbs with the teeth of the buckets covered as they drive in urban areas ....

mik_da_man

I've come across a few tractors on the N40 at rush hour. It's not the worst time for them tbh as generally the traffic is quite slow.

As far as I have seen the issue is with drivers not recognising what's in front of them until they are on top of it and have to slam on which causes the concertina effect back up the road.

Maybe it's the fact that I used to drive tractors on the road, or maybe I drive with my eyes open and observing what's on the road ahead of me but I've never been caught out by a tractor.

cantdecide

mik_da_man wrote: »

I've come across a few tractors on the N40 at rush hour. It's not the worst time for them tbh as generally the traffic is quite slow.

As far as I have seen the issue is with drivers not recognising what's in front of them until they are on top of it and have to slam on which causes the concertina effect back up the road.

Maybe it's the fact that I used to drive tractors on the road, or maybe I drive with my eyes open and observing what's on the road ahead of me but I've never been caught out by a tractor.

In an ideal world tractors shouldn't affect rush hour traffic but it's just a fact- they do affect traffic each and every time they do it, at least in very heavy dual carriageway traffic. Especially when they're in the driving lane creating a mobile bottleneck. I know that no vehicle should drive in the hard shoulder but every time these people drive in the driving lane they cause chaos. If they didn't have to deal with on-ramps and off-ramps, I'd wager they'd be probably happy enough to stay off in the hard shoulder.

We've probably all seen the guy on the yellow scooter that joins the dual carriageway at Carrigtwohill. He's probably not legally allowed to drive in the hard shoulder either but he does and (and I'm assuming here) because he probably knows that taking his rightful place in the driving lane would cause chaos.

There's also the fact that a lot of the time these guys are carting diggers or other non-agricultural plant or equipment. Isn't this what trucks with low-loaders are for?

mik_da_man

I'm not saying that they don't effect the traffic, of course they do.
But if people are aware of what's on the road ahead of them it shouldn't cause any shocks, or any more than the usual ones caused by people not driving according to the conditions / traffic levels.

and btw a digger can be an agricultural vehicle also!

whisky_galore

solargain wrote: »

Any vehicle doing 50km per hour is a danger on a road where the speed limit is 120km . You need to drive with the flow of traffic and not cause a major hold up for 10 miles.
Traffic on the N25 is bumper to bumper from Midleton to the tunnell in the mornings. 1 slow moving vehicle can really block it up, then the jumping lanes that starts trying to get out past them causes the trouble

The speed limit is a limit, not a target.

CHealy

whisky_galore wrote: »

The speed limit is a limit, not a target.

The speed limit is set as a maximum average that a vehicle should maintain on that particular road. The Guards can, and have given tickets to people for driving too slowly on these roads, it falls under the dangerous driving category. Tractors should not be aloud on these roads during certain times, its as simple as that.

whisky_galore

CHealy wrote: »

The speed limit is set as a maximum average that a vehicle should maintain on that particular road. The Guards can, and have given tickets to people for driving too slowly on these roads, it falls under the dangerous driving category. Tractors should not be aloud on these roads during certain times, its as simple as that.

Can you point me in the direction of this piece of road traffic legislation?

CHealy

whisky_galore wrote: »

Can you point me in the direction of this piece of road traffic legislation?

What don't you understand about the word 'should'. I never stated this was law.

Ludo

CHealy wrote: »

The speed limit is set as a maximum average that a vehicle should maintain on that particular road.

I don't really understand what you mean by a "maximum average" ?
Can you explain that term a bit more please Not trying to be smart or anything here...I genuinely don't know what a maximum average is.

CHealy

Ludo wrote: »

I don't really understand what you mean by a "maximum average" ?
Can you explain that term a bit more please Not trying to be smart or anything here...I genuinely don't know what a maximum average is.

If the speed limit is 100 km/h, then ideally you should be driving between the range of 80 through to 100 km/h. That is the designated average range that was deemed acceptable for that particular road.

The South Ring is 100 km/h, if a car is driving at 65 km/h it is going to cause a back log behind him, which in turn will force cars to overtake at a much higher rate than normal, increasing the likeliness of a crash. Its dangerous driving. I'm not sure what max speed tractors get to but from what I've seen its not much higher than 50 km/h, on a road where you should be driving between 80 and 100 km/h, its dangerous, selfish, and should be cracked down on.

Ludo

Thanks for explaining.
I am assuming you just made that all up yourself and it is your opinion rather it being in any way factual?

CHealy

No problem. Its information from my brother-in-law who is a Guard but I don't think its factual as its not really enforced, as we can see with the tractors on the South Ring. It makes sense though and I'm sure there is information somewhere to back it up.

whisky_galore

The onus is on the car driver to be in control at all times and to overtake safely, expect the unexpected and not go bombing around everywhere as if it's your own personal Mondello.

Ludo

CHealy wrote: »

No problem. Its information from my brother-in-law who is a Guard but I don't think its factual as its not really enforced, as we can see with the tractors on the South Ring. It makes sense though and I'm sure there is information somewhere to back it up.

I doubt that somehow. Motorways have a limit of 120kmph but have a minimum of 50kmph. Therefore can't possibly see how 65kmph on a 100kmph limit road can in any way be classed as dangerous. And no way would a guard pull someone for it or be able to prosecute them in any way much an all as they might want to.

CHealy

But its still dangerous driving wheter its in the law or not. Its about avoiding crashes and people getting hurt, and having tractors on a major ring road is an unnecessary risk.

Shenshen

whisky_galore wrote: »

The onus is on the car driver to be in control at all times and to overtake safely, expect the unexpected and not go bombing around everywhere as if it's your own personal Mondello.

In that case, what is the point of having an upper limit of 100kph or 120 kph at all?
Make it 60 across the country and be done with it.

cantdecide

Ludo wrote: »

I doubt that somehow. Motorways have a limit of 120kmph but have a minimum of 50kmph. Therefore can't possibly see how 65kmph on a 100kmph limit road can in any way be classed as dangerous. And no way would a guard pull someone for it or be able to prosecute them in any way much an all as they might want to.

Why would they want to?

Ludo

cantdecide wrote: »

Why would they want to?

Coz they are annoying :-)
The thing is I find them very annoying yet I am defending them. They aren't dangerous in and of themselves but they make other people at like idiots.

Lambofdave

CHealy wrote: »

But its still dangerous driving wheter its in the law or not. Its about avoiding crashes and people getting hurt, and having tractors on a major ring road is an unnecessary risk.

how many accident have been cause by tractors on that road? And where do you propose they go?

j8wk2feszrnpao

CHealy wrote: »

But its still dangerous driving wheter its in the law or not.

If it's dangerous driving, then it'd be against the law. So in this case, it's not dangerous driving.

Ludo

I would love to know where they are all coming from and where the hell are they going? I usually travel from Bandon Road roundabout to Bloomfield every day between 3 and 4 .. Most days I see one travelling in one direction or the other. Some days a couple of them. Is there really that much of a need for them to be on the road so much?

ganmo

A tractor isn't small, you should be able to see it from a good distance giving you plenty of time to plan your move.
There's tractors regularly on MOTORWAYs the length of the country so should a dual carriageway(a lower class road) have them banned(even for a time)

With the truck ban in dublin they had to build the port tunnel to accommodate them, every stretch of toll road& motorway has to have an alternative route for L drivers etc. so what route would those tractors have to use then? Would it be any better?

HIB

Ludo wrote: »

I would love to know where they are all coming from and where the hell are they going? I usually travel from Bandon Road roundabout to Bloomfield every day between 3 and 4 .. Most days I see one travelling in one direction or the other. Some days a couple of them. Is there really that much of a need for them to be on the road so much?

Betcha they're just driving around aimlessly to annoy you.

whisky_galore

Ludo wrote: »

I would love to know where they are all coming from and where the hell are they going? I usually travel from Bandon Road roundabout to Bloomfield every day between 3 and 4 .. Most days I see one travelling in one direction or the other. Some days a couple of them. Is there really that much of a need for them to be on the road so much?

Not rush hour then so what's the problem? If they stuck to the small bye roads people will be p*ssing and moaning about them as well. What are they supposed to do? Fly? Levitate? Imagine a lot of these guys are agricultural contractors, rather than farmers.

run_Forrest_run

whisky_galore wrote: »

Not rush hour then so what's the problem? If they stuck to the small bye roads people will be p*ssing and moaning about them as well. What are they supposed to do? Fly? Levitate? Imagine a lot of these guys are agricultural contractors, rather than farmers.

flying tractors...imagine the mess, it's bad enough dealing with bird shít

Dannyboy83

Ludo wrote: »

I doubt that somehow. Motorways have a limit of 120kmph but have a minimum of 50kmph. Therefore can't possibly see how 65kmph on a 100kmph limit road can in any way be classed as dangerous. And no way would a guard pull someone for it or be able to prosecute them in any way much an all as they might want to.

If you recall from your driving test, there is an error category called Progress, which can cause a driver to fail their test, as it is unsafe driving.

Many (fatal) accidents are caused by a phenomenon called Traffic Bunching.
Traffic Bunching is alleviated by keeping traffic at a constant speed.

A vehicle such as a tractor which creates a potential hazard to other drivers, should drive with their hazard lights on.

I'm not aware of any penalty points for failure to make progress, but you can certainly receive a caution from the Gardai.

The legislation is so similar to the UK, that I imagine you can probably be fined also, altho I don't know the specifics.

In the UK, you can receive penalty points:

Can you be fined for driving too slow?

Although there is no minimum speed limit on the majority of UK roads, you can still be fined for driving too slow if it is seen that you are a hazard to other road users.
There is no specific penalty for driving too slowly and as such, penalties may be as little as a verbal warning by a police officer along with a lecture of the dangers of driving too slow and in more serious cases, a motorist may find themselves in court charged with driving without due care and attention or without reasonable consideration for other road users (penalty code CD30). The more serious penalty CD30 comes with penalty points on a motorists licence, anywhere from 3 to 9 along with a fine

Ludo

That all sounds nice and official but it is still something you are inventing yourself with no legal standing. It is not unsafe driving and it is not dangerous driving and I am guessing no tractor driver has been prosecuted in any way for simply driving on a dual carriageway. Show me an official source if there is one.

whisky_galore

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

A vehicle such as a tractor which creates a potential hazard to other drivers, should drive with their hazard lights on.

I see a lot of tractors that have flashing yellow lights fitted.

Like it or not, they're entitled to use the road just as much as a car is. They pay motor tax too.

ganmo

whisky_galore wrote: »

I see a lot of tractors that have flashing yellow lights fitted.

Like it or not, they're entitled to use the road just as much as a car is. They pay motor tax too.

from 1/1/16 they will have to have beacons

hoodwinked

whisky_galore wrote: »

Like it or not, they're entitled to use the road just as much as a car is. They pay motor tax too.

just because you are paying motor tax does not mean you have to use all the roads, people seem to forget common sense in these situations,

if your vehicle has a maximum speed of 50km/h don't go on roads where the average speed is above that figure, common sense.

there are reasons we have restrictions on motorways, politics means we don't have these restrictions on dual carriageways (some of which have speed limits of 120km/h) but common sense would say if a road is 100-120km/h slow moving traffic should avoid it if at all possible.

just because you have the "right" to be on that road, doesn't remove your "responsibility" to not go on that road if you know you will be a hazard, which you are if you are unable to maintain the average speed.

ganmo

hoodwinked wrote: »

if your vehicle has a maximum speed of 50km/h don't go on roads where the average speed is above that figure, common sense.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=htFlFWHmn8M

All tractors are capable of doin 50, the larger new tractors can do 80 the only thing stopping them goin faster is the breaks

mik_da_man

hoodwinked wrote: »

just because you are paying motor tax does not mean you have to use all the roads, people seem to forget common sense in these situations,

if your vehicle has a maximum speed of 50km/h don't go on roads where the average speed is above that figure, common sense.

there are reasons we have restrictions on motorways, politics means we don't have these restrictions on dual carriageways (some of which have speed limits of 120km/h) but common sense would say if a road is 100-120km/h slow moving traffic should avoid it if at all possible.

just because you have the "right" to be on that road, doesn't remove your "responsibility" to not go on that road if you know you will be a hazard, which you are if you are unable to maintain the average speed.

By that logic then tractors should surely avoid going on roads that are 80km/hr as they can mostly only do 50. So what roads does that leave them with?

I can see the sense in avoiding motorways, but the south link at rush hour is fair game imo, in reality the average speed is well below 100 anyway.

As said above tractors are big, the majority have beacons and all will soon. If someone can't spot them on dual carriageways then I'd question their ability to drive.

Plus on a large road you have the opportunity to pass a lot easier.

Also a lot of the smaller roads around the south ring are in built up areas, not designed for large heavy vehicles. They are a lot better off on the dual carriageway imo.

cantdecide

mik_da_man wrote: »

As said above tractors are big, the majority have beacons and all will soon. If someone can't spot them on dual carriageways then I'd question their ability to drive.

We can probably call it Darwinistic [is that even a word?] if one car can't avoid one tractor on a dual carriageway in fair weather but it isn't fair to suggest that it isn't borderline a little messy when two lanes of fast moving bumper to bumper traffic condense into one chaotic ball all trying to scramble to avoid getting stuck or trying get unstuck. You can easily see a flashing beacon a quarter mile away on the N25 in the morning and not get a gap to overtake. That's how heavy the traffic can be.

mik_da_man wrote: »

So what roads does that leave them with? They are a lot better off on the dual carriageway imo.

Outside of rush hour, why not I passed tractors on Tuesday morning and again that evening and you wouldn't believe the chaos- there was none... because I was on the road at 9.30am and returned at 6.50pm so there was no problems whatsoever but an hour before either of times there would have been chaos.

Ludo wrote: »

They aren't dangerous in and of themselves but they make other people at like idiots.

In the same way that guns aren't dangerous but shooting somebody is?

Ludo

cantdecide wrote: »

In the same way that guns aren't dangerous but shooting somebody is?

LOL...no. You know there is a massive difference there so don't even bother trying to make a comparison. Tractors serve a purpose other than killing people on dual carriageways.

Lambofdave

ganmo wrote: »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=htFlFWHmn8M

All tractors are capable of doin 50, the larger new tractors can do 80 the only thing stopping them goin faster is the breaks

All tractors are not capable of doing 50km some are only able to do 40km, 80km is far to fast for a tractor bar being on a dual carriageway or motorway in Ireland.
The breaking systems are there just some farmers/contractors are too cheap to put air breaks on trailed equipment or abs brakes on trailed equipment going over 50km, but the new rules will take care of that.

Lambofdave

hoodwinked wrote: »

just because you are paying motor tax does not mean you have to use all the roads, people seem to forget common sense in these situations,

if your vehicle has a maximum speed of 50km/h don't go on roads where the average speed is above that figure, common sense.

there are reasons we have restrictions on motorways, politics means we don't have these restrictions on dual carriageways (some of which have speed limits of 120km/h) but common sense would say if a road is 100-120km/h slow moving traffic should avoid it if at all possible.

just because you have the "right" to be on that road, doesn't remove your "responsibility" to not go on that road if you know you will be a hazard, which you are if you are unable to maintain the average speed.

Do you have a lead foot?

whisky_galore

If they're oh so dangerous, where are all the news stories about multi vehicle pile-ups and collisions caused by tractors?

Dannyboy83

Ludo wrote: »

That all sounds nice and official but it is still something you are inventing yourself with no legal standing. It is not unsafe driving and it is not dangerous driving and I am guessing no tractor driver has been prosecuted in any way for simply driving on a dual carriageway. Show me an official source if there is one.

Your claim was that cannot be classed as unsafe or dangerous driving.
I have said that it can be, based on the opinion of a Garda and that there is a legal provision in place.
You are implying that this would apply specifically to a tractor, but in fact it applies to all vehicles (this is typically the way legislation works in this country).

Official source as requested:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2011/en/act/pub/0028/sec0004.html

Road Traffic (No. 2) Act 2011

“Driving without reasonable consideration.

51A.— (1) A person shall not drive a vehicle in a public place without reasonable consideration for other persons using the place.

(2) A person who contravenes subsection (1) commits an offence.

Careless driving.

52.— (1) A person shall not drive a vehicle in a public place without due care and attention.

(2) A person who contravenes subsection (1) commits an offence and—

(a) in case the contravention causes death or serious bodily harm to another person, he or she is liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years or to a fine not exceeding €10,000 or to both, and

(b) in any other case, he or she is liable on summary conviction to a class A fine.

(3) Where a member of the Garda Síochána is of opinion that a person has committed an offence under this section and that the contravention has caused death or serious bodily harm to another person, he or she may arrest the first-mentioned person without warrant.

Dangerous driving.

53.— (1) A person shall not drive a vehicle in a public place in a manner (including speed) which having regard to all the circumstances of the case (including the condition of the vehicle, the nature, condition and use of the place and the amount of traffic which then actually is or might reasonably be expected then to be in it) is or is likely to be dangerous to the public.

(2) A person who contravenes subsection (1) commits an offence and—

(a) in case the contravention causes death or serious bodily harm to another person, he or she is liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or to a fine not exceeding €20,000 or to both, and

(b) in any other case, he or she is liable on summary conviction to a class A fine or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both.

(3) In a prosecution for an offence under this section or section 52, it is not a defence to show that the speed at which the accused person was driving was not in excess of a speed limit applying in relation to the vehicle or the road, whichever is the lower, under Part 2 of the Road Traffic Act 2004 .

(4) Where, when a person is tried on indictment or summarily for an offence under this section, the jury, or, in the case of a summary trial, the District Court, is of the opinion that he or she had not committed an offence under this section but had committed an offence under section 52, the jury or court may find him or her guilty of an offence under section 52, and he or she may be sentenced accordingly.

(5) Where a member of the Garda Síochána is of opinion that a person has committed an offence under this section, he or she may arrest the person without warrant.

Dannyboy83

whisky_galore wrote: »

I see a lot of tractors that have flashing yellow lights fitted.

Like it or not, they're entitled to use the road just as much as a car is. They pay motor tax too.

I neither expressed like nor dislike.
I merely countered the false claim that it cannot be considered unsafe or dangerous driving.

Your 2nd claim does not necessarily follow.
All vehicle users pay some form of motor tax, yet there are many specific restrictions based on both the driver status and vehicle status, per road designation.

Ludo

So how many tractors have been stopped and prosecuted under the dangerous driving laws for simply driving on a dual carriageway or other N road? Does your garda acquaintance stop every one he sees as they must be all breaking the law of what you say is true.

j8wk2feszrnpao

hoodwinked wrote: »

people seem to forget common sense in these situations,

Common sense would be to know that they have a right to be there. Slow down if required when you come up behind one, move to the outside lane in a safe manner, over take, and move back into the driving lane again.

I've been driving on that road for a number of years, the accidents I've come across have not involved tractors, but dangerous drivers who go too fast, or don't have the common sense to drive in a safe manner.

You can see it every morning when you approach the tunnel after passing Little Island. There's a huge amount of drivers that cut into the middle lane (to go into the tunnel) from the Dublin lane, at the last possible moment, with plenty of near misses. There's far too many people who can't leave 5-10mins earlier, or just drive safely.

Dannyboy83

Ludo wrote: »

Does your garda acquaintance stop every one he sees as they must be all breaking the law of what you say is true.

You seem to be misinterpreting the legislation.

There is nothing in the legislation to suggest that a tractor is prohibited from using a dual carriageway or that stipulates specific x in situation y is prohibited, in the manner you are suggesting.

• A person shall not drive a vehicle in a public place without reasonable consideration for other persons using the place.
• A person shall not drive a vehicle in a public place without due care and attention.
• A person shall not drive a vehicle in a public place in a manner (including speed) which having regard to all the circumstances of the case (including the condition of the vehicle, the nature, condition and use of the place and the amount of traffic which then actually is or might reasonably be expected then to be in it) is or is likely to be dangerous to the public.

So how many tractors have been stopped and prosecuted under the dangerous driving laws for simply driving on a dual carriageway or other N road?

I have absolutely no idea, but I suspect it is rare.
The vast majority of agricultural machinery operators around Cork, ime, are careful and considerate drivers, but more importantly, they tend to be based in small communities and wouldn't want to risk annoying their neighbours.

Dannyboy83

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Common sense would be to know that they have a right to be there. Slow down if required when you come up behind one, move to the outside lane in a safe manner, over take, and move back into the driving lane again.

I've been driving on that road for a number of years, the accidents I've come across have not involved tractors, but dangerous drivers who go too fast, or don't have the common sense to drive in a safe manner.

You can see it every morning when you approach the tunnel after passing Little Island. There's a huge amount of drivers that cut into the middle lane (to go into the tunnel) from the Dublin lane, at the last possible moment, with plenty of near misses. There's far too many people who can't leave 5-10mins earlier, or just drive safely.

An even bigger issue, ime, is the amount of drivers who now seem to disobey red lights in the city.
I regularly see drivers speeding through intersections when I've already got a green, so I've had to adjust my driving as a precaution.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

An even bigger issue, ime, is the amount of drivers who now seem to disobey red lights in the city.
I regularly see drivers speeding through intersections when I've already got a green, so I've had to adjust my driving as a precaution.

It's the same issue in both cases, lack of enforcement.
One camera at the approach to the tunnel would pay for itself the first morning.