Cheating in Airsoft/ Not taking you hits

d.one

Lemming wrote: »

The same thing happens with folds and creases of clothing sometimes too; does that mean airsofters should stop wearing clothes too? I'm not sure if my sanity could survive the sight of that.

Accidents DO happen, it's how you as a player handle them when observed or pointed out to you.



I cannot believe you just tried to do that ....

... have you considered that in real life there is - to state the captain obvious, captain - a real risk to life from bullets, so a soldier (or anyone else for that matter) will do whatever they have to to get the f*ck out of harms way when lead is getting chucked at them.




See my first comment above about how you as a player handle such situations.

Also, are you 100% certrain you hit him. Did you see the BB strike? Or are you following the logical fallacy of "I pointed that way therefore it MUST have hit him".

I've been in situations where I've had BBs fly mere millimetres from my face and I've flinched to get out of the way (by pure chance), or I've had BBs impact walls/trees/whatever right beside me and I've looked to see where it's coming from, but I've never actually been hit. I've had a crazy moment in CQB where I breached a room with a pistol and engaged a player (also with a pistol) and neither of us actually managed to hit one another. We had a good laugh about that whilst wondering how on earth neither of us hit each other, agreed to take a hit each and went on our seperate ways back to regen.

As a marshal I've seen all manner of scenarios where someone has not actually been hit despite howling accusations to the contrary. I'm not defending non-hit taking, but I am pointing out that often it's players thinking they've hit someone when they haven't that is the real root cause of "that b@*stards not taking his f*cking hits".

Maybe you should get off your high horse there pal ,your not the only one that has marshalled sites ,I acknowledge there are times when there's genuine mistakes ,but there's only so much you can blame on helmets and tack vests ,sometimes you need to call a spade a spade ,

Gatling

Think I'll wear a kilt and tshirt next game out just to be sure

Lemming

d.one wrote: »

Maybe you should get off your high horse there pal

I don't know you from Adam, so "pal" yourself and wind your neck in.

,your not the only one that has marshalled sites ,I acknowledge there are times when there's genuine mistakes ,but there's only so much you can blame on helmets and tack vests ,sometimes you need to call a spade a spade ,

Never said I was the only one who has marshalled sites. I've been playing a very long time, and marshalling an equally long time so I gave the opinion of my experience. You also did not call a spade a spade, you were just plain ignorant and patronising about it to Gatling.

Gatling wrote: »

Think I'll wear a kilt and tshirt next game out just to be sure

Please don't. There are many things in this world I have seen that have not fazed me; that image would not be among them ...

thermo

Gatling wrote: »

Think I'll wear a kilt and tshirt next game out just to be sure

Who do ya think ya are........ Dave??

Gatling

thermo wrote: »

Who do ya think ya are........ Dave??

It's been suggested a team buy for a future event

thermo

Gatling wrote: »

It's been suggested a team buy for a future event

You will try use any excuse to wear a tan Molle covered sporran.......

Back on topic.... Cheating..... Eh ..... Sucks.....

d.one

Lemming wrote: »

I don't know you from Adam, so "pal" yourself and wind your neck in.
Your are quite correct pal I don't know ,just wondering do you play Airsoft in ireland regularly ? I see you are located in the UK ? ??
I play Airsoft in ireland every week and see the stuff that goes on ,I play all the sites mentioned on this thread ,
I did not wish to offend Gatling

Lemming

d.one wrote: »

Your are quite correct pal I don't know ,just wondering do you play Airsoft in ireland regularly ? I see you are located in the UK ? ??
I play Airsoft in ireland every week and see the stuff that goes on ,I play all the sites mentioned on this thread

Heh.

d.one

Lemming wrote: »

TBH; you can hear BBs bouncing off your kit more often than not if you cannot feel them; ESPECIALLY helmets

Lol

d.one

Lemming wrote: »

Heh.

So I take it from your response that you don't play here regularly if ever ?

Gatling

d.one wrote: »

So I take it from your response that you don't play here regularly if ever ?

From experience he's played a lot more airsoft games than some have .

Doesn't matter where you play you come across the same issues .

Lemming

d.one wrote: »

So I take it from your response that you don't play here regularly if ever ?

Here's my very first post on all things airsoft-related on boards.ie, dated 28th May 2007. I'll let you figure out the rest.

d.one

Lemming wrote: »

Here's my very first post on all things airsoft-related on boards.ie, dated 28th May 2007. I'll let you figure out the rest.

The thread is about cheating in Airsoft and obviously you would have to be playing here on a regular basis to make an informed comment,
So when was the last time you played here pal the just wondering?

mack1984

d.one wrote: »

The thread is about cheating in Airsoft and obviously you would have to be playing here on a regular basis to make an informed comment,
So when was the last time you played here pal the just wondering?

Does cheating only happen in Ireland?

d.one

Nope but if someone plays here on the sites mentioned in this thread you would know the situation from first hand knowledge and not just something they have read I've played in the UK a few times not in the last year though but I wouldn't go on a UK equivalent pages and talk about cheating simply because I don't play there regularly enough to know the situation there?

mack1984

Im not sure I get your point. Cheating is cheating. Its the same here as it is in the UK or the rest of the world for that matter.

Lemming

I've played airsoft in Ireland for several years before moving to the UK, and played across Europe so many times I stopped counting long ago. I've played many different event types and I've played with many, many, many different nationalities (N.American, Australian, & Chinese included, not just European), and the two things you'll find in common are:

• everyone loves airsoft
• everyone has issues (perceived or real) with people cheating. Go onto any airsoft forum and you will find strong sentiment regards non-hit taking.

So d.one - "pal" - as Mack has so eloquently and succinctly pointed out, cheating is cheating the world over. Airsoft in Ireland is not unique, people who play airsoft in Ireland are not unique, nor is cheating in Ireland unique among nations.

Southern Dandy

It's been so long since I seen a good argument on here.....

I miss it!

d.one

Southern Dandy wrote: »

It's been so long since I seen a good argument on here.....

I miss it!

Lol I don't think it was an argument really I think there is a slight difference of opinions but in fairness we all have a common ideal that's our love of the game and our desire to see it played fairly

D_murph

d.one wrote: »

I personally don't buy the helmet and tack vest excuse,bbs make a very distinctive sound when hitting a helmet ,and if a Tac vest is stopping you taking your hits because you can't hear or feel them hitting you it's time to stop wearing it ,just saying

You always know you've been hit on the helemt for sure. No denying that sharp crack of plastic on plastic lol.

All other unprotected body parts are easy enough to identify hits on too. You basically feel them sting you but Tac vests can sometimes make you miss a hit. Not if you're stationary mind you but if you're in motion (running etc).

Im pretty sure I at least hear 99% of the times I'm being shot at and they're hopping off the vest. That or you will feel them too but there's always the possibility that anyone can miss one shot out of the blue. Its something Ive had to accept over the years as Ive definitely seen that $hit can happen basically and nobody's perfect.

My complaints are about the same lads constantly ignoring hits blatantly and I always have my suspicions of these guys when they just happen to bring back the flag etc. Dubious much :rolleyes:.

d.one

D_murph wrote: »

You always know you've been hit on the helemt for sure. No denying that sharp crack of plastic on plastic lol.

All other unprotected body parts are easy enough to identify hits on too. You basically feel them sting you but Tac vests can sometimes make you miss a hit. Not if you're stationary mind you but if you're in motion (running etc).

Im pretty sure I at least hear 99% of the times I'm being shot at and they're hopping off the vest. That or you will feel them too but there's always the possibility that anyone can miss one shot out of the blue. Its something Ive had to accept over the years as Ive definitely seen that $hit can happen basically and nobody's perfect.

My complaints are about the same lads constantly ignoring hits blatantly and I always have my suspicions of these guys when they just happen to bring back the flag etc. Dubious much :rolleyes:.

Out doors I only wear a belt rig and only ever wear a vest proper cqb for that reason,I'd rather go home with a few bruises than miss hits and be labeled a cheat ,but it's Airsoft I'm sure I've been hit and didn't feel or hear it ,but I'm the same the guys that you can see blatantly cheating grind my gears

D_murph

d.one wrote: »

Out doors I only wear a belt rig and only ever wear a vest proper cqb for that reason,I'd rather go home with a few bruises than miss hits and be labeled a cheat ,but it's Airsoft I'm sure I've been hit and didn't feel or hear it ,but I'm the same the guys that you can see blatantly cheating grind my gears

Yep. Im the same. I wear a tac vest purely for the functionality of it. Id wear a belt rig but for CQB, that just wouldnt work. Too many mag pouches needed. Both pistol and main arm alike.

Thats my indoors setup. My sniper setup is basically a lot lighter. No vest but a quickly removable ghillie net and headgear. A molle belt carries my pistol and spare mags but thats it. It pays to move light lol

LeeHarvey

My first time ever skirmishing was at a site in Dublin, I'm not going to divulge where, but it really shed a dim light on the game for me, and as the cliche goes - first impressions last.
The game was mil-sim and if you were hit you had to stop where you were, get down on a knee with gun vertical, and count to 20.
If in that time one of your own team members got to you - then you went back to your start point and continued on, but if one of the other team members got to you in the 20 seconds then they had scored a point and you went back to their start point and stayed there until freed by your own team members.
Simple right? No.
The cheating was endless and not only in not calling hits when I and my team mates can see the guys clenching their teeth with our .2's bouncing off their arms and chest, but in speed counting and exclaiming that "your not allowed grab me!!!!!!!" In a thick Dublin accent when you tap one of the opposition who actually called his hit on the shoulder to try gain a score for your team, and then tell you that in the time it took for the verbal too-and-fro to be finished "time is up anyway bud" as he saunters off laughing all the way back to his start point to start his BS again. And he did, over and over.
The umpires were informed more times than I could remember, but nothing was done, why ? I think because some people value making money over customer satisfaction.
I got offered a place on a team that night, but before I answered I asked "is that a normal nights events?" and he answered yes, so I politely declined his offer.