Billions [Showtime] [** Spoilers **]

mikeoneilly

surely they cashed out in time

Mushy

Is new episode out or is it only in America?

_Kaiser_

Mushy wrote: »

Is new episode out or is it only in America?

US last night/today... UK/Sky tomorrow

_Kaiser_

mikeoneilly wrote: »

surely they cashed out in time

Who? Chuck's posse? Nope.. unless Chuck himself did, but I think his father was managing his investment... unless of course he wanted to see Daddy taken down a few pegs. Bit of a love-hate relationship there.

mikeoneilly

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Who? Chuck's posse? Nope.. unless Chuck himself did, but I think his father was managing his investment... unless of course he wanted to see Daddy taken down a few pegs. Bit of a love-hate relationship there.

he tipped wendy off in the the morning about the buy,then he got the software installed and waited for wendy to come back with the warning and i assumed he cashed out then...maybe im reading it wrong

_Kaiser_

mikeoneilly wrote: »

he tipped wendy off in the the morning about the buy,then he got the software installed and waited for wendy to come back with the warning and i assumed he cashed out then...maybe im reading it wrong

You could be right.. I thought there was something about him not having access to the money though as it was a blind trust administered by his father/the lawyer?

Clareman

I don't think Chuck would be able to invest in any stocks considering his role and his run for office. He set all this in play 3 weeks ago and didn't know that Wendy would be back in his life then, but having her as part of it could be turned to be good for him considering their separation and not wanting anything (even the kids) to know. Today's episode brings Chuck back as a major player rather than just a lap dog, as I said, brilliant TV.

Not as good as the snooker though

_Kaiser_

Barbie!sBitch wrote: »

I don't think Chuck would be able to invest in any stocks considering his role and his run for office. He set all this in play 3 weeks ago and didn't know that Wendy would be back in his life then, but having her as part of it could be turned to be good for him considering their separation and not wanting anything (even the kids) to know. Today's episode brings Chuck back as a major player rather than just a lap dog, as I said, brilliant TV.

Yep that's twice Axe has been caught short by Chuck/his dad. When he figures it out though there will be outright war between them I reckon.

Season 3 perhaps?

Oh and Wags was great this week too.. particularly his "motivational speech" (in full earshot of everyone) to Taylor :P

Clareman

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Yep that's twice Axe has been caught short by Chuck/his dad. When he figures it out though there will be outright war between them I reckon.

Season 3 perhaps?

Oh and Wags was great this week too.. particularly his "motivational speech" (in full earshot of everyone) to Taylor :P

Wags is great "I was going to smoke it".

Axe and Chuck are great characters, neither of them are good or bad in the traditional sense, it's fascinating to see it all play out.

AlmightyCushion

mikeoneilly wrote: »

he tipped wendy off in the the morning about the buy,then he got the software installed and waited for wendy to come back with the warning and i assumed he cashed out then...maybe im reading it wrong

Rhodes isn't allowed to directly invest his money. His Dad is managing his trust for him and Rhodes isn't meant to have any input in how it is invested. I reckon the plan is bring Axe down and then once it comes out how Axe broke the law to manipulate the stock price, investors can sue the living crap out of him to get their money back.

Mushy

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant! That laugh. Delighted for Axe.

Bullocks

Mushy wrote: »

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant! That laugh. Delighted for Axe.

Savage show this evening , only thing I'm not sure on is was Rhodes senior in on the whole thing or did Chuck leave him in the dark just to catch Axe out ?

Bullocks

Will there be any compensation for the lost trades if Axe's actions come to light ?

Mushy

Bullocks wrote: »

Savage show this evening , only thing I'm not sure on is was Rhodes senior in on the whole thing or did Chuck leave him in the dark just to catch Axe out ?

He had an iffy relationship with his father so I would say left him in the dark.

I love how the by-the-book guy is back too. And how you can see the series could go on when/if Chuck and Axe are gone.

Mushy

Bullocks wrote: »

Will there be any compensation for the lost trades if Axe's actions come to light ?

I'd imagine it'd be into the Billions!!!

Reggie.

Bullocks wrote: »

Will there be any compensation for the lost trades if Axe's actions come to light ?

He'd be sued to the hilt

Clareman

Bullocks wrote: »

Savage show this evening , only thing I'm not sure on is was Rhodes senior in on the whole thing or did Chuck leave him in the dark just to catch Axe out ?

I haven't re-watched the episode but just before Chuck brought the investment to his father he had a "discussion" with him so I think Chuck was willing to put poor pops under the bus.

alchemist33

Barbie!sBitch wrote: »

I haven't re-watched the episode but just before Chuck brought the investment to his father he had a "discussion" with him so I think Chuck was willing to put poor pops under the bus.

Not to mention poor Ira

duffysfarm

regardless of whether or not you like Axe do you think is wife is been a bit unfair to him? as far as I can see he did 2 things wrong with her - lied about Wendy and didn't back her in her fluid drip business that she tried to start. apart from that I think he has been very good and could be a lot worse?

threein99

That was one of the best episodes of any TV show I have ever seen, ruthless stuff

Tony EH

duffysfarm wrote: »

regardless of whether or not you like Axe do you think is wife is been a bit unfair to him? as far as I can see he did 2 things wrong with her - lied about Wendy and didn't back her in her fluid drip business that she tried to start. apart from that I think he has been very good and could be a lot worse?

His wife is a bitch. But Axelrod is scum. So, they're pretty deserving of each other. Also, she's married to a serial liar and someone for whom humanity means little, when compared to money. So it's a bit hard to believe that this is her first experiences of his lies, either first hand or otherwise and I'm sure she's had many calls before, but her own love of shillings probably...ahem..."clouded" her judgement.

As far as the latest events in the show are concerned, it's also hard to believe how Axe Capital is going to bounce back from this. When this evidence gets out into the media, something like that will ruin a company in real life. Even if it can't be directly tied to Axelrod or Axe Cap itself.

Unless there's a humdinger of a twist coming up in the next episode. It'll have to be really something to match the brilliant ending of S02E11.

Tony EH

threein99 wrote: »

That was one of the best episodes of any TV show I have ever seen, ruthless stuff

It was expertly written stuff alright. It would a great film in its own right.

Mushy

Tony EH wrote: »

As far as the latest events in the show are concerned, it's also hard to believe how Axe Capital is going to bounce back from this. When this evidence gets out into the media, something like that will ruin a company in real life. Even if it can't be directly tied to Axelrod or Axe Cap itself.

Unless there's a humdinger of a twist coming up in the next episode. It'll have to be really something to match the brilliant ending of S02E11.

I think the answer to any comeback lies in Taylor. How it'll be done I have no idea though. I always thought he was using IceJuice to suck Axe in, was beginning to doubt it then last night happened!

I think next week will plough on at the same story with it finishing with Chuck and Axe talking like S1, Chuck reminding him what he said!

dr.kenneth noisewater

Had heard this was a great episode but found it a bit underwhelming tbh. Did nobody else think Chuck had a plan when he suddenly changed his mind about the Ice Juice IPO and using his trust fund? Seemed a drastic change of mind to me and hinted at some plan to catch out Axe

duffysfarm

it looks as if its going to be a bit doom and gloom for axe but I think that wendy shorting juice and chucks father investing in the land for the real estate will come back to haunt Chuck. one thing that is a little confusing - Axe put a lot of work into backing up the short on the motor company but he doesn't seem to have any work done on the short of the juice company?

dr.kenneth noisewater

duffysfarm wrote:

it looks as if its going to be a bit doom and gloom for axe but I think that wendy shorting juice and chucks father investing in the land for the real estate will come back to haunt Chuck. one thing that is a little confusing - Axe put a lot of work into backing up the short on the motor company but he doesn't seem to have any work done on the short of the juice company?

They have Taylor and Waus run the details and they both said there was no opportunities for it to fail so Axe had to create his own

duffysfarm

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

They have Taylor and Waus run the details and they both said there was no opportunities for it to fail so Axe had to create his own

yes but how would you have he paperwork to back this up?

Mushy

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Had heard this was a great episode but found it a bit underwhelming tbh. Did nobody else think Chuck had a plan when he suddenly changed his mind about the Ice Juice IPO and using his trust fund? Seemed a drastic change of mind to me and hinted at some plan to catch out Axe

I thought it was a plan, but it worked so well. Axe has always been wholly confident in what he is doing, it's going to come crashing down on him. How it was portrayed on screen was also excellent.

Agree with poster who thinks Wendy putting money on the short will haunt Chuck!

AlmightyCushion

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Had heard this was a great episode but found it a bit underwhelming tbh. Did nobody else think Chuck had a plan when he suddenly changed his mind about the Ice Juice IPO and using his trust fund? Seemed a drastic change of mind to me and hinted at some plan to catch out Axe

I knew Chuck had a plan involving Ice Juice but I had no idea what it was. I didn't see him throwing all his money away just to catch Axe so it was surprising.

Quintis

I imagine Axe will use the fact that Rhodes were on both sides of the trade as some leverage...

alchemist33

My wife had said last week that Chuck was using Ice Juice to do Axe, but was doubting herself last night until the big reveal. If Axe goes down there'll be no season three, so something is going to happen, most likely Wendy's actions scuppering a prosecution.

I also with the poster above that Axe and his wife are well-suited; both are as bad as each other, and I'm glad to see her scumbag brothers (or are they friends?) get done too (if that's what happens). She reminds me a lot of Carmello Soprano - happy to sit back and let her husband make money by nefarious means but just as ready to stick a knife in if she wants.

steve_r

The two things that couldn't have been in Chuck's plan:

• His Dad increasing the stake and putting the whole trust in, and
• Wendy getting involved in insider dealing on the same deal

If Chuck does take down Axe with insider dealing, then Wendy will be caught as well. If he doesn't, he has lost the trust fund altgether, as opposed to the original amount he was happy to sacrifice.

Re Axe's wife, she said to him before that she thought their relationship was different, that she was an equal partner and he never lied to her. When he lied to her, and didn't support her startup idea, she saw that wasn't the case.

Tony EH

alchemist33 wrote: »

My wife had said last week that Chuck was using Ice Juice to do Axe, but was doubting herself last night until the big reveal. If Axe goes down there'll be no season three, so something is going to happen, most likely Wendy's actions scuppering a prosecution.

That's probably the only "out" that will allow a third series and I can't see Showtime just calling it a day on the show.

moby2101

Tony EH wrote: »

That's probably the only "out" that will allow a third series and I can't see Showtime just calling it a day on the show.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/billions-renewed-season-3-at-showtime-984517

Axe and Chuck are not leaving just yet!!!!!

Best show on TV at the moment.

Bullocks

Mushy wrote: »

He had an iffy relationship with his father so I would say left him in the dark.

I love how the by-the-book guy is back too. And how you can see the series could go on when/if Chuck and Axe are gone.

I thought there was a look between them when Ira said he quit his job that maybe they both knew what was coming

Mushy wrote: »

I'd imagine it'd be into the Billions!!!

Sure them boys wouldn't get out of bed for anything less than Billions

Boom_Bap

That most recent episode is excellent. Holy moly.


I think the one kicker for Rhodes is that his father told the other lawyer guy that Rhodes invested money. That may come back to bite him.

But, is there not some sort of entrapment going on there and that Rhodes himself is the catalyst for Axe manipulating the markets?

FreudianSlippers

Pentecost wrote: »

I'll spoiler this just in case but

Has Chuck spent his entire trust fund just to bring Axe down? Plus all of his father's money? I expect Axe will threaten to bring Wendy down with him, say she also used the inside information to profit. Which is technically true.

But remember Wendy last week said "what's mine is yours" then he was a dick to her knowing she would bet against him. He may have lot all his trust fund, but his wife made that 10x over on the same day.

FreudianSlippers

mikeoneilly wrote: »

surely they cashed out in time

Not only did they not get out in time, Chuck Sr. bought another 750k at market when it was around $29.

Mushy

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

But remember Wendy last week said "what's mine is yours" then he was a dick to her knowing she would bet against him. He may have lot all his trust fund, but his wife made that 10x over on the same day.

But that was based on prior knowledge to the stock plummeting which would be illegal. Unless of course Axe has to pay up on it and she is ok.

Bullocks

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

But remember Wendy last week said "what's mine is yours" then he was a dick to her knowing she would bet against him. He may have lot all his trust fund, but his wife made that 10x over on the same day.

Is his trust fund that important ? Doesn't his old boy still have a ball of other money in the casino land ?
How much did the wife make I wonder

Rumpy Pumpy

Bullocks wrote: »

Is his trust fund that important ? Doesn't his old boy still have a ball of other money in the casino land ?
How much did the wife make I wonder

Seeing Wags sign the end-of-day trading statement and noticing Wendy's trade was a very obvious story arc.

FreudianSlippers

Mushy wrote: »

But that was based on prior knowledge to the stock plummeting which would be illegal. Unless of course Axe has to pay up on it and she is ok.

That's going to be the kicker that will probably backfire on Chuck - they've now all effectively insider traded except Axe (on paper). By going after Axe, Chuck is going to get himself and his wife caught... Season 3 plot line anyone?

FreudianSlippers

Bullocks wrote: »

Is his trust fund that important ? Doesn't his old boy still have a ball of other money in the casino land ?
How much did the wife make I wonder

His dad is cash-poor at the moment and is heavily leveraged against the casino lands - you know now that Axe knows that he will go after that as well. IMO the casino plotline is not over yet.

Bullocks

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

His dad is cash-poor at the moment and is heavily leveraged against the casino lands - you know now that Axe knows that he will go after that as well. IMO the casino plotline is not over yet.

Good point , I'd say his dad will be his downfall whatever way it pans out . He is a good character in it being so pc incorrect and longing for the son to be a politician at the same time

Thargor

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Yep that's twice Axe has been caught short by Chuck/his dad. When he figures it out though there will be outright war between them I reckon.

Axe could be going to prison, the FBI have him in the bar with one of the victims and an ex employee is one of the sick people aswell.

Pentecost

Thargor wrote: »

Axe could be going to prison, the FBI have him in the bar with one of the victims and an ex employee is one of the sick people aswell.

That'll make life uncomfortable but it won't be enough to send him to prison given the money he'll have to spend on lawyers. Not straight away anyway, depends how loyal those who had direct contact with him are.

_Kaiser_

Pentecost wrote: »

That'll make life uncomfortable but it won't be enough to send him to prison given the money he'll have to spend on lawyers. Not straight away anyway, depends how loyal those who had direct contact with him are.

Yea, I know Axe is a hands-on kinda guy anyway, but all of that should have been left to his "fixer" (can't think of his name) to arrange really.

Thargor

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Yea, I know Axe is a hands-on kinda guy anyway, but all of that should have been left to his "fixer" (can't think of his name) to arrange really.

Yeah the fact that it wasnt the fixer dude by the writers is very telling imo, same as Chucks enthusiasm for the whole fruit juice deal aswell.

Wonder if they got the fruit juice idea from this Juicero fad or if it was just a coincidence?

http://uproxx.com/life/juicero-offering-refunds-expensive-juicer/

Also cant believe I didnt recognise Axes fixer guy, he was the head of OZ, Tim McManus, Terry Kinny.

Clareman

Ok final episode, I've noticed that series now have the second last episode as the best in the series and the final 1 just as a setup for the next season.

I reckon there's something in about finding the guard who wants to be paid line with the noise blocking what was being said, I reckon Axe had a recorder on him for his chat with Chuck.

Fred Swanson

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