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Clongriffin - Parkedge
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My partner and I are interested in buying an A1/A2 Home in Belltree and I've been following this thread over the past few months.
We've been out to the area a few times to get to know it, but still have yet to go out when it's dark. We really are impressed with the development and Fr. Collins Park and are warmed by the fact that there is a community working hard to better Clongriffin.
We visited the Dart station over the weekend to see what the fuss was about and were pretty taken back at the state of the vandalism in the station. If we were to move, this would be my main mode of transport. I've three queries I would love to be answered:
1) How safe do any females feel getting the DART especially in Winter months in the dark? Does anyone who works late feel unsafe getting out at the Dart station at ~8-9pm?
2) I've noted comments RE Dart at capacity during Peak Hours. Currently I get on at Clontarf and have only had to let a Dart leave a few times where I couldn't get on. Is it a regular occurrence that there is no room to board or is there always some space (standing does not bother me).
3) I keep reading about the lack of frequency of the Dart in the mornings. My understanding was that some commuter trains stop there and the Malahide Dart- can anyone confirm this or the times? And also, are there any plans to increase the no. of commuter trains stopping? (I know the Dart drivers rejected plans for more Dart trains)
To be honest, we've become disheartened since we saw the DART station, amongst other things and are having second thoughts about buying in the area.
We've become aware of unsavory residents in the locality and concerns regarding drug dealers in the vicinity. I am curious to know how others who bought in Belltree/ Parkedge overcame these concerns and how they feel now that they're living there, ie. do they still have these concerns.
Thanks in advance!
1) I'm not a woman, but I work "late" (it's "normal" to me
) every single day, anywhere between 8pm and 11pm is the time I step off the DART. It's never solitary or isolated, there are always plenty of people coming back at that time; There's often security on the train and/or in the station, although it's not always the case. The general area is essentially never "deserted", thanks in no small part to the restaurant and takeaway on the main street - even in the middle of a dreary, dark and damp winter night there'll be people walking in and out of them; On more "approachable" nights, I often even see people (both men and women, often alone) jogging around. Lastly, Gannon has a security patrol going around every night, you can't really miss them - black marked "SECURITY" car with emergency lamps and CCTV.
2) Clongriffin is only the second stop after the DART departs Malahide; I've never seen a train coming in at capacity. Now, I normally move at off-peak hours, but the few times I had to take the train at absolutely insane "everyone going now" times (e.g. 8.16), it still arrived in Clongriffin with plenty of seats available. Might be a different situation with the Commuter trains from Drogheda, but I never stepped on one in the morning;
3) Frequency can be a bit all over the place; It's ok if you plan properly. For most of the day, there is a 30 minute window between DARTS; Sometimes it is filled by a Commuter train, sometimes it isn't; Between 7.30 and 8.30 AM there is a train every 10/15 minutes towards Connolly, with all the Commuters stopping in Clongriffin as well as the DARTs. In the evening, for some weird reason the last Commuter train stopping in Clongriffin is the one leaving Pearse at 18.16; The subsequent ones don't stop - the DART however keeps its 30-minutes schedule.
As for punctuality, the trains run generally on-time in the mornings; it's a bit more random coming back in the evening, as "operational issues" and "signal faults" seem to predominantly happen south of Grand Canal Docks, for some reason or the other; One pretty unnerving thing was when DART trains used to leave early: e.g. the 9.07 train pulled out of the station at 9.05; It led to a couple of interesting "events" with plenty of people left behind screaming abuse at the driver. It looks like they "copped on", it hasn't happened since the beginning of 2017 - even if the train is in the station early, they wait for the platform clock to advance to the correct time before leaving.
As for the acts of vandalism regarding the station, I'm not entirely sure what's going on; In the past I said that while I often see kids skating and generally "hanging around" in the station I wouldn't think they'd be the ones trashing the place, but I'm thinking I was mistaken - there aren't really any other people loitering around the area; I also believe those teenagers to have a non-local component, you often see different faces periodically and at times I've heard groups of them speaking Italian and Spanish, which would point out to at least some of them being here for those "study holidays" and staying with local families. You know how psychology works - take one young guy or girl separately, and they're fine; Put them in a group with another 10 of them, away from their parents for the first time, in a foreign city with a return ticket in the pocket and the chances of never going there again for years, and hell might break loose. To be honest however, most of them do look and sound like normal teens from normal families, doing "teenagey" stuff. So the jury's out on that.0 -
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Pelicannon wrote: »Unfortunately not much other than "call the guards if you see anything".
Mmm, I wonder what's going to happen when they will, inevitably, smash the remaining shutter in the station to the point that it doesn't open anymore...
Any news about shops? There are plenty of people in the area now, it seems weird that most of the shops lay empty still
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irishbigfoot wrote: »Hi folks,
Noticed a sign today in the DART station for a community meeting tomorrow night (28th March) at 7:30 in the Hub, 60 Main Street.
Can find an online equivalent so typed it out.
Community Meeting!
Clongriffin and Belmayne
Tuesday 28th of March at 7:30pm in The Hub, 60 Main Street
If you want to talk to local councilors, Gardai, Gannon Management and get to know your neighbours- Join us, the more the merrier.
Topics covered:
- Train Station
- New Builds
- Shops and planning permission
- Anti-social behavior
- Illegal dumping
- Schools, roads, local events etc
I attended this meeting from 19:38.
Now unless they covered all topics in those 8 minutes, there was unfortunately little talk about Clongriffin, the dart station or the anti-social behaviour.
The meeting was dominated on the topic of building and planning for the Belmayne area. There are plans to build 150 (memory is hazy on the exact number but it's around there) concentrated social houses.
This, as you can imagine was the main sticking point for the residents. They are afraid that because it's concentrated social housing, it will result in a ghetto.
Then upon completion of the private housing, the residents will be forced to live around ghetto residents who will display anti-social behaviour (their words not mine
) and make it generally unpleasant.
The solution pushed forward by the concerned residents is to "pepper" the social housing. Every 4th of 5th unit should be social. Many stated that they're not against social housing, they're against concentrated social housing.
The Dublin City Council guy also made it a point that there are people living in the Hilton and Clayton hotel that are in desperate need of housing.
There was also a valid point that the road infrastructure will simply not support these new developments for both Clongriffin and Belmayne. The Dublic Council had nothing to say about this.
There was some mention regarding the nursery home and school, unfortunately I was not paying attention to this as I was texting my wife so I don't know the full details on that. Suffice to say that it's in the plans for the area.
The little they mentioned about Clongriffin is:- A hotel is to be built close to the dart station. That empty area by the first bus stop. Plot 19 I believe.
- Empty units in the shopping centre are to be re-purposed into office units.
- More housing units to be built.
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H3llR4iser wrote: »Mmm, I wonder what's going to happen when they will, inevitably, smash the remaining shutter in the station to the point that it doesn't open anymore...
Any news about shops? There are plenty of people in the area now, it seems weird that most of the shops lay empty still.
This was mentioned in the meeting as well. The issue is that Clongriffin is a commuter town at the moment. You are correct in that there are plenty of people in the area but not during office hours.
It's simply not viable to open shops as the area becomes quiet during office hours.
This may change though as empty units in the shopping centre are to be re-purposed into office units.0 -
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1) How safe do any females feel getting the DART especially in Winter months in the dark? Does anyone who works late feel unsafe getting out at the Dart station at ~8-9pm?
2) I've noted comments RE Dart at capacity during Peak Hours. Currently I get on at Clontarf and have only had to let a Dart leave a few times where I couldn't get on. Is it a regular occurrence that there is no room to board or is there always some space (standing does not bother me).
3) I keep reading about the lack of frequency of the Dart in the mornings. My understanding was that some commuter trains stop there and the Malahide Dart- can anyone confirm this or the times? And also, are there any plans to increase the no. of commuter trains stopping? (I know the Dart drivers rejected plans for more Dart trains)- My wife often walks home during the night and she has had no problems. This is at 10/11pm. She doesn't feel unsafe either. Touch wood that it stays like this.
- My wife boards the train at 8:14 and she doesn't have problems with capacity and almost always has a seat.
- I board at 8:32 and I also don't have troubles with capacity. I always stand in the train so it's never been an issue for me. I find the dart seats too uncomfortable to sit in, unless I'm drunk :pac:
- The frequency isn't an issue. With a little bit of planning you're good to go.
Malahide will always call at the Clongriffin Dart Station.
Drogheda is not guaranteed. You'll be wise to carefully pay attention to the announcements for the Drogheda train because at times it will skip Clongriffin.
It'll stop at Howth Junction and Portmarnock, but it will skip Clongriffin. A station directly between both. Go figure ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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To be fair, Clongriffin has decent transport options in my opinion. I've mentioned these before but for the life of me cannot find it.- Bus 15 takes you down main road
- Bus 27 takes you about 500 meters from main road.
- Malahide always stops at Clongriffin
- Drogheda stops at Clongriffin sometimes.
- and if you're really desperate or Drunk , Board the Howth train and walk from Howth Junction.
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