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Boko Haram pledge allegiance to ISIS

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    #32
    Steve_Carella
    Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭Steve_Carella


    Nodin wrote: »
    .....what do you think would happen if they started a campaign in Saudi....?

    I have no idea. I have a feeling there's an expected answer to this that I don't know.


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    #33
    Nodin
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    Steve_Carella wrote: »
    I have no idea. I have a feeling there's an expected answer to this that I don't know.


    Fear that they'd attack the refineries and oil related infrastructure would cause prices to rise rapidly, even more so if they actually did. Should they get a foothold on the gulf and attrack shipping - even in an ineffective way - this would again push the price up. For that reason alone, its in no-one's interest they be allowed run round the place unchecked.


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    #34
    smurfjed
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    .....what do you think would happen if they started a campaign in Saudi....?
    The Saudi government would tear up any books on human rights and destroy them. The Americans would rapidly move in from Qatar to protect the oil fields. The Irish would ask the Saudi's to be nice to any dual nationals that they might capture !


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    #35
    IrishTrajan
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    Nodin wrote: »
    .....what do you think would happen if they started a campaign in Saudi....?

    Why on Earth would they start a campaign in the lands of their largest financial supplier?

    Oh, and to answer your question: The U.S. would probably bomb them to pieces, and let the Saudis do the fighting. They might as well put all those Leopard 2s to good use.

    I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what it is you want. You argue for the West staying out of Arab affairs (backing Israel for one), and now you're arguing that the West should get involved because they'd do if it was Saudi Arabia being attacked.

    Do you just think the world runs on sunshine and rainbows, that the West should take a paradoxical stance?


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    #36
    IrishTrajan
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Fear that they'd attack the refineries and oil related infrastructure would cause prices to rise rapidly, even more so if they actually did. Should they get a foothold on the gulf and attrack shipping - even in an ineffective way - this would again push the price up. For that reason alone, its in no-one's interest they be allowed run round the place unchecked.

    No it wouldn't. Oil prices would only rise if supply couldn't meet demand. Right now, supply outruns demand, and ISIS doesn't just take over oil rigs and then do nothing. They drill for oil sands and sell the oil on. Supply might dip, but it won't drop below demand to cause a price increase.

    If they tried to get a foothold in the Gulf, they'd have an entire U.S. carrier group blowing them to pieces, with Saudis (who aren't going to drop their guns and run off to leave a different sect to ISIS' whims, a la Iraqi Army).


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    #37
    Steve_Carella
    Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭Steve_Carella


    Nodin wrote: »
    Fear that they'd attack the refineries and oil related infrastructure would cause prices to rise rapidly, even more so if they actually did. Should they get a foothold on the gulf and attrack shipping - even in an ineffective way - this would again push the price up. For that reason alone, its in no-one's interest they be allowed run round the place unchecked.

    I think we'd DEFINITELY see the Americans getting involved then. Oil? Out of the way, here comes Uncle Sam!


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    #38
    Desolation Of Smug
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    They should pop a schnakey bounty onto any ISIS /Boko Haram Members head, somthing juicy, say $40,000.00 - bosh in a bit of multi-lateral funding and make pay-outs fairly relaxed, no questions asked. Then, declare it open season, stand back and let the headcases bang ahead. Suddenly being a member wouldn't be as cool and relaxed as before, everyone would be after your a55is. Being in ISIS would be like being a squirrel in Alabama just before dinner time.


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    #39
    IrishTrajan
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    Desolation Of Smug wrote: »
    They should pop a schnakey bounty onto any ISIS /Boko Haram Members head, somthing juicy, say $40,000.00 - bosh in a bit of multi-lateral funding and make pay-outs fairly relaxed, no questions asked. Then, declare it open season, stand back and let the headcases bang ahead. Suddenly being a member wouldn't be as cool and relaxed as before, everyone would be after your a55is. Being in ISIS would be like being a squirrel in Alabama just before dinner time.

    45,000-75, members. $50,000 a head is $225 million to $375 million. That's more than it'd cost to bomb them and let the Kurds mop up, and you'd probably end up with people killing random people and claiming they were in ISIS or Boko Haram.


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    #40
    Desolation Of Smug
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    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    45,000-75, members. $50,000 a head is $225 million to $375 million. That's more than it'd cost to bomb them and let the Kurds mop up, and you'd probably end up with people killing random people and claiming they were in ISIS or Boko Haram.

    Sounds like a bargain.


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    #41
    Egginacup
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    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Am I the only one that thinks ISIS might just pull off this caliphate of theirs?

    Yes, you are.

    How is this religious caliphate going to live harmoniously with Putin's global soviet empire 2.0, when religion is the opium of the masses?


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    #42
    bjork
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    Some people just love more rules> Oh, it's not strict enough, lets get more rules. :rolleyes:


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    #43
    Egginacup
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    FluffyAngel wrote: »
    Nope,if we Corkonians cant get our Republic these IS boys havent a chance

    That's because if a Caaaaaark girl snagged a dub a ye Gurran tills had a problem with it, she'd stone ye to death, haha


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    #44
    bjork
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    I wonder would they have any jobs going?

    I'm a head chef.....:pac:


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    #45
    reprise
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    bjork wrote: »
    I wonder would they have any jobs going?

    I'm a head chef.....:pac:

    If the yanks went in to clean Boko Haram out and you has as much as a bottle of cooking oil, the loony left would say that was the reason they were there.


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    #46
    Gatling
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    reprise wrote: »
    If the yanks went in to clean Boko Haram out and you has as much as a bottle of cooking oil, the loony left would say that was the reason they were there.

    Big Bad Vlad

    Is going to get them

    Not !!!!
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    #47
    Nodin
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    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    No it wouldn't. Oil prices would only rise if supply couldn't meet demand. ............

    You aren't too aware how oil prices work, I see.
    Why on Earth would they start a campaign in the lands of their largest financial
    supplier?

    The Saudi state does not finance IS.
    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what it is you want

    Well, reading my post in the context of the post it was replying too would help you greatly. Less coffee and dollops of rage would not go astray either.


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    #48
    Sprog 4
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    Just like North and South Korea , lead by a Cork version of Kim Jong-un.

    Jim Lang-er


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    #49
    smurfjed
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    The Saudi state does not finance IS.
    But some of the Saudi people do, pretty much the same as Irish Americans with NORAID. Although i have to admit that the Saudi government has enacted a lot of financial controls to stop the collection and distribution of that money.


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    #50
    up for anything
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    The Saudi government would tear up any books on human rights and destroy them. The Americans would rapidly move in from Qatar to protect the oil fields. The Irish would ask the Saudi's to be nice to any dual nationals that they might capture !



    I don't think the Saudi government has any books on human rights.


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    #51
    smurfjed
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    Not only books but an official organisation....

    http://nshr.org.sa


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    #52
    IrishTrajan
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    Nodin wrote: »
    You aren't too aware how oil prices work, I see.

    When supply outstrips demand, price goes up. When supply is larger than demand, price goes down. When supply and demand are in equilibrium, price remains unchanged.
    Nodin wrote: »
    The Saudi state does not finance IS.

    No, but people with ties to the Saud-family does.
    Nodin wrote: »
    Well, reading my post in the context of the post it was replying too would help you greatly. Less coffee and dollops of rage would not go astray either.

    "u mad?" Please stop. You argue against Western intervention and think Israel should butt out of Arab affairs, you argue for Western intervention in Arab affairs now. Pick an opinion and stick with it, populist.


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    #53
    Nodin
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    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    When supply outstrips demand, price goes up. When supply is larger than demand, price goes down. When supply and demand are in equilibrium, price remains unchanged. ..


    *sigh

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2014/wp14218.pdf
    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    No, but people with ties to the Saud-family does..

    Given the size of the royal Saudi family, that's hardly a suprising, nor does it mean the Saudi state is involved.

    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    "u mad?" Please stop. You argue against Western intervention and think Israel should butt out of Arab affairs, you argue for Western intervention in Arab affairs now. Pick an opinion and stick with it, populist.

    A false dichotomy. You seem to think opposition to colonialism conflicts with opposition to an extremist groups multi-nation rampage.


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    #54
    IrishTrajan
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    Nodin wrote: »
    *sigh

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2014/wp14218.pdf

    And the reason it is volatile, is because a handful of places produce the most oil, so when supply looks likely to drop below demand, price goes up.

    If "expected" supply of oil drops, but supply still outstrips demand, price will fall. This is what happened when the Saudis reduced their oil production, but price remained low and they lost market share (which is why they oppose OPEC reducing production).
    Nodin wrote: »
    Given the size of the royal Saudi family, that's hardly a suprising, nor does it mean the Saudi state is involved.

    The fact Saudi Arabia is wahhabi, doesn't factor into your equation? Saudi Arabia, much like Turkey under Erdogan, supports ISIS.
    Nodin wrote: »
    A false dichotomy. You seem to think opposition to colonialism conflicts with opposition to an extremist groups multi-nation rampage.

    So, when the West does it, it's colonialism. When fifty thousand Muslims do it, armed and aided by Muslim Governments (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, notably, Iran if you include the Shia militias) it's multi-national rampage? When the West does it, it's out of greed and we shouldn't get involved. When the Muslims do it, it's extremism and we should get involved?


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    #55
    Nodin
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    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    And the reason it is volatile, is because a handful of places produce the most oil, so when supply looks likely to drop below demand, price goes up..


    Yep, otherwise known as S P E C U L A T I O N.




    IrishTrajan wrote:
    The fact Saudi Arabia is wahhabi, doesn't factor into your equation? Saudi Arabia, much like Turkey under Erdogan, supports ISIS.

    IS follow a far harsher ideology than wahabism.

    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    So, when the West does it, it's colonialism. When fifty thousand Muslims do it, armed and aided by Muslim Governments (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, notably, Iran if you include the Shia militias) it's multi-national rampage? When the West does it, it's out of greed and we shouldn't get involved. When the Muslims do it, it's extremism and we should get involved?

    No idea what you're on about there.


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    #56
    IrishTrajan
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Yep, otherwise known as S P E C U L A T I O N.

    The link you posted stated that speculative demand only has a minor effect on volatility, one which we should ignore in the short term.

    Nodin wrote: »
    IS follow a far harsher ideology than wahabism.

    Yea, beheading people for being apart of the wrong religion is much harsher than beheading someone for cheating in a relationship.

    The Saudis have beheadings, you know that, right?
    Nodin wrote: »
    No idea what you're on about there.

    Of course not.


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    #57
    Nodin
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    IrishTrajan wrote: »

    Yea, beheading people for being apart of the wrong religion is much harsher than beheading someone for cheating in a relationship.

    The Saudis have beheadings, you know that, right?.



    The French used have beheading. They must have been Wahabis of the same stripe too.


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    #58
    IrishTrajan
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    Nodin wrote: »
    The French used have beheading. They must have been Wahabis of the same stripe too.

    Yea, as their method of the death penalty. Using the guillotine on someone for murdering another person, isn't in the same league as murdering someone for infidelity, or murdering someone for being born into the wrong religion.

    Talk about a false equivalency.


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    #59
    Nodin
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    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    Yea, as their method of the death penalty. Using the guillotine on someone for murdering another person, isn't in the same league as murdering someone for infidelity, or murdering someone for being born into the wrong religion.

    Talk about a false equivalency.


    Not great at detecting nuance, humour or the like, are we?


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    #60
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    Nodin wrote: »
    Not great at detecting nuance, humour or the like, are we?

    No, your joke just sucked, and sounded exactly like an answer you would usually give. Unless you're saying your entire opinion is a joke, which I'd agree with.

    So, now that we've gotten past the semantics, can you give me an honest answer as to what your actual stance is? You're both against and in favour of Western intervention?

    It seems like you're using a double standard and set on holding the West accountable for everything.


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    #61
    Nodin
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    IrishTrajan wrote: »
    No, your joke just sucked, and sounded exactly like an answer you would usually give. Unless you're saying your entire opinion is a joke, which I'd agree with.

    So, now that we've gotten past the semantics, can you give me an honest answer as to what your actual stance is? You're both against and in favour of Western intervention?

    It seems like you're using a double standard and set on holding the West accountable for everything.


    It's hard to know whether to laugh or cry at this........

    Bottom of post 53 explains it. If theres anything there you don't understand, ask.


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