city square

Jamie2k9

There today and one of the glass box shops has a reserved sign up. Not sure how long its up.

Sully

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

There today and one of the glass box shops has a reserved sign up. Not sure how long its up.

More or less since they were completed!

JohnC.

Yeah, been there ages. Maybe something to lure other people if they think one is being taken. Except that starts to look silly after a while if it doesn't work quickly.

fargojones123

JohnC. wrote: »

Yeah, been there ages. Maybe something to lure other people if they think one is being taken. Except that starts to look silly after a while if it doesn't work quickly.

The former Next store also has a Reserved sign on it for roughly the same amount of time and nothing happening there either.

Just trying to figure out how many empty units are in City Square. There's:
The extension,
The former Next shop (Reserved)
The former Gamestop shop
The former watch repair play
The former cake shop
3 glass units (one reserved)

Deiseen

fargojones123 wrote: »

JohnC. wrote: »

Yeah, been there ages. Maybe something to lure other people if they think one is being taken. Except that starts to look silly after a while if it doesn't work quickly.

The former Next store also has a Reserved sign on it for roughly the same amount of time and nothing happening there either.

Just trying to figure out how many empty units are in City Square. There's:
The extension,
The former Next shop (Reserved)
The former Gamestop shop
The former watch repair play
The former cake shop
3 glass units (one reserved)

The problem is that we rely on a lot of UK chains for retail. At the moment, they are in such bad shape (in the UK) that they are not going to expand anytime soon. Luckily  Al-Hokair seem to be aligned with more diverse brands than the usual UK ones.

CeilingFly

fargojones123 wrote: »

The former Next store also has a Reserved sign on it for roughly the same amount of time and nothing happening there either.

The plan for that (or it was a few months ago) was for Holland and Barrett to move into that unit and the Holland and Barrett unit to be reconfigured/merged with the juice bar into a larger food use unit.

Definitely issues on the UK retail landscape is having knock on effects here as are the probable new developments as the larger retailers take a long term view.

But the biggest issue is the rents they are looking and when added to rates and service charges are simply out of sync with the market.

Max Powers

Deiseen wrote: »

The problem is that we rely on a lot of UK chains for retail. At the moment, they are in such bad shape (in the UK) that they are not going to expand anytime soon. Luckily  Al-Hokair seem to be aligned with more diverse brands than the usual UK ones.

Good point about alhokair brands, looked briefly months ago and a lot of their brands are the likes of ones you see on your holidays to Spain, Portugal, etc

road_high

Was in Waterford today and was surprised with all the work and refurbishments that have gone how little has changed- the Food Court is a pretty decent addition and things look a bit fresher. But no real heavy hitter new tenants and deletion of BK which is a step backwards. Still only shop of note for me at least is of course Debenhams.

dartboardio

^ completely agree. They took away BK and left us with the presumption of something bigger and better to come....

I only go into dunnes stores in city square and have a stroll through Debenhams.

CeilingFly

brianwalshcork wrote: »

800K!! Surely nowhere close to that / it’s not 2007 Grafton Street!

That's the estimate for the entire 17,000 sqft space if just one store took it.

That's about right.

It's the smaller units that have very high rent.

davyboy1975

See a beauty shop opening in one of the glass units here. Just what the city needs as there's not enough of them to go around :-P

ImAHappyCamper

Well as long as there are women infesting the planet,there will always be a market for make up and beauty $hite.

Dum_Dum

ImAHappyCamper wrote: »

Well as long as there are women infesting the planet,there will always be a market for make up and beauty $hite.

Did I hear the first bit right?

ImAHappyCamper

Probably. Depends on how good your hearing is?

fargojones123

davyboy1975 wrote: »

See a beauty shop opening in one of the glass units here. Just what the city needs as there's not enough of them to go around :-P

It's that or another coffer shop

dzilla

fargojones123 wrote: »

It's that or another coffer shop

Lol

Kracken

ImAHappyCamper wrote: »

Probably. Depends on how good your hearing is?

Ahh the ol' Waterford misogynist, active and hateful as usual. How is "Make America Great Again" hat going?!

dzilla

Kracken wrote: »

Ahh the ol' Waterford misogynist, active and hateful as usual. How is "Make America Great Again" hat going?!

MWGA

savic04

Road-Hog wrote: »

Heard city square is closing down due to pressure it will experience from the north quays development.

Do people actually still think This North Quays thing will go ahead

Wanderer78

savic04 wrote:

Do people actually still think This North Quays thing will go ahead

Why wouldn't it happen?

savic04

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Why wouldn't it happen?

It's Waterford

Something is bound to happen, how many false dawns have we been sucked in with (especially when a General election isn't so far)


Plus I know someone tho worked on a feasibility study for the dock area from The bridge down to Bus Eireann depot and it apparently the cost of upgrading it to take the level of planned building has stunned those who are involved. They plan to submit the full scale and work back from that, meaning if it ever goes ahead it will actually only end up a fraction of the size. Something that our council is aware of but have not been talking openly as it may ruin public perspective

dzilla

savic04 wrote: »

It's Waterford

Something is bound to happen, how many false dawns have we been sucked in with (especially when a General election isn't so far)


Plus I know someone tho worked on a feasibility study for the dock area from The bridge down to Bus Eireann depot and it apparently the cost of upgrading it to take the level of planned building has stunned those who are involved. They plan to submit the full scale and work back from that, meaning if it ever goes ahead it will actually only end up a fraction of the size. Something that our council is aware of but have not been talking openly as it may ruin public perspective

Mental if its true. You should post this on the other thread about the development.

Harry Palmr

savic04 wrote: »

It's Waterford

Something is bound to happen, how many false dawns have we been sucked in with (especially when a General election isn't so far)


Plus I know someone tho worked on a feasibility study for the dock area from The bridge down to Bus Eireann depot and it apparently the cost of upgrading it to take the level of planned building has stunned those who are involved. They plan to submit the full scale and work back from that, meaning if it ever goes ahead it will actually only end up a fraction of the size. Something that our council is aware of but have not been talking openly as it may ruin public perspective

I really wish people would not post hearsay as evidence of something.

dzilla

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I really wish people would not post hearsay as evidence of something.

Do we have to quote and cite everything we post now?

There would not be a lot of conversation in that case.

Deiseen

dzilla wrote: »

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I really wish people would not post hearsay as evidence of something.

Do we have to quote and cite everything we post now?

There would not be a lot of conversation in that case.

But a hell of a lot less bull****.

This place is good for breaking news but I rarely see anything from "someone in the know" turn out to be true. If ever.

JohnC.

It's not like the building is going to be resting on top of the docks. Whatever happens, a building of that size will surely have piles going down into the ground.

ImAHappyCamper

Debenhams announcing some stores will be closed here and in the UK over the next few years. Anyone think the one in C.S will be one of them? Seems pretty quiet in there these days.

Max Powers

ImAHappyCamper wrote: »

Debenhams announcing some stores will be closed here and in the UK over the next few years. Anyone think the one in C.S will be one of them? Seems pretty quiet in there these days.

A bit grim to be predicting that when there has been no indication any Irish shops closing and it just went thru a restructure process few years back here, rents, etc, the UK high street is in a very bad way indeed (house of fraser, mothercarre had problems, etc)Well if we don't support our city centre, hopefully not. Too often common to hear complaints about shopping in city centre, and in the next sentence same person saying how they did/do their Christmas shopping, normal shopping, whatever online, in dundrum, etc.

Wanderer78

Max Powers wrote:

A bit grim to be predicting that when there has been no indication any Irish shops closing and it just went thru a restructure process few years back here, rents, etc, the UK high street is in a very bad way indeed (house of fraser, mothercarre had problems, etc)Well if we don't support our city centre, hopefully not. Too often common to hear complaints about shopping in city centre, and in the next sentence same person saying how they did/do their Christmas shopping, normal shopping, whatever online, in dundrum, etc.

Shopping locally is a fair point, but unfortunately sometimes, people simply can't afford it. Hopefully jobs aren't affected here

Max Powers

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Shopping locally is a fair point, but unfortunately sometimes, people simply can't afford it. Hopefully jobs aren't affected here

Yeah get that 100%...no point and hypocrtical complaining though if there no retail left.

Wanderer78

Max Powers wrote:

Yeah get that 100%...no point and hypocrtical complaining though if there no retail left.

Ah shur, we re probably all hypocrites at some stage in life, online retail is just too easy, can be very damaging to local economies though

iseegirls

How long is that Next building being lying empty for in City Square? Possibly 10 years? Ridiculous. How haven't they gotten anyone into that place. The rent must be unreal

Wanderer2010

High street shopping really is on the way out. There will always be the die hards who love the shopping experience but give it about 20 or 30 years time and online shopping will have taken over, particularly with so many older people getting skilled with technology.

Harry Palmr

iseegirls wrote: »

How long is that Next building being lying empty for in City Square? Possibly 10 years? Ridiculous. How haven't they gotten anyone into that place. The rent must be unreal

Increasingly I feel this is the biggest hindrance to retail development in Waterford. Is there a data base of rents - property companies have to file accounts is that info public?

Wanderer78

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

High street shopping really is on the way out. There will always be the die hards who love the shopping experience but give it about 20 or 30 years time and online shopping will have taken over, particularly with so many older people getting skilled with technology.

amazon warehouses sound like a fantastic place to work, and with the potential automation of transport systems, and from the trickle down of the wealth created from such processes, our future looks good!;)

Max Powers

Wanderer78 wrote: »

amazon warehouses sound like a fantastic place to work, and with the potential automation of transport systems, and from the trickle down of the wealth created from such processes, our future looks good!;)

Exactly....are people happy with that, certainly seems like some people don't give a dam or can't make the link between supporting city centre and employment, city centres, etc.

engiweirdo

Are people really suggesting taking an anti-capitalistic stance and supporting often poor value high street retail over a more competitive online option? That's frankly ridiculous. They know the game they're in. Are the epitome of capitalism themselves and would more often than not (and do so on an alarming basis) cut the parse out of wages to increase their bottom line. Compete/adapt or die. You don't get to be capitalist when it suits/cast some weird appeal to charity/loyalty when it suits.

Max Powers

engiweirdo wrote: »

Are people really suggesting taking an anti-capitalistic stance and supporting often poor value high street retail over a more competitive online option? That's frankly ridiculous. They know the game they're in. Are the epitome of capitalism themselves and would more often than not (and do so on an alarming basis) cut the parse out of wages to increase their bottom line. Compete/adapt or die. You don't get to be capitalist when it suits/cast some weird appeal to charity/loyalty when it suits.

If you take that hard line, fine i suppose, you must be fine with lack of jobs, lack of retail in city centres also. Doesn't chime well with you complaining about lack of work around some time back (hope you have had some luck or good leads there) different industry obviously but still, we are all connected, maybe a son or daughter would like some seasonal Christmas work etc. Describing supporting your city centre as charity, can't be done every time yeah but supporting city centre is charity / sense for ourselves.

fargojones123

iseegirls wrote: »

How long is that Next building being lying empty for in City Square? Possibly 10 years? Ridiculous. How haven't they gotten anyone into that place. The rent must be unreal

It had/has a reserved sign on it.

Wanderer2010

Another factor that can stop people supporting local employment is the staff in shops. Its all well and good saying shop local and put money back into the economy but if staff in shops leave a bad impression and are rude you wouldn't return there again. Certainly I wouldn't step foot in Gregorys again, the guy there has an awful manner to him, and same for Bagel Factory too. Its a two way street, if you want people to keep supporting you, provide a friendly quality service.

Aquos76

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Another factor that can stop people supporting local employment is the staff in shops. Its all well and good saying shop local and put money back into the economy but if staff in shops leave a bad impression and are rude you wouldn't return there again. Certainly I wouldn't step foot in Gregorys again, the guy there has an awful manner to him, and same for Bagel Factory too. Its a two way street, if you want people to keep supporting you, provide a friendly quality service.

Are you talking about Greg himself?

fargojones123

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Another factor that can stop people supporting local employment is the staff in shops. Its all well and good saying shop local and put money back into the economy but if staff in shops leave a bad impression and are rude you wouldn't return there again. Certainly I wouldn't step foot in Gregorys again, the guy there has an awful manner to him, and same for Bagel Factory too. Its a two way street, if you want people to keep supporting you, provide a friendly quality service.

Personally I never had a problem with any of the staff in the Bagel Factory

engiweirdo

Max Powers wrote: »

If you take that hard line, fine i suppose, you must be fine with lack of jobs, lack of retail in city centres also. Doesn't chime well with you complaining about lack of work around some time back (hope you have had some luck or good leads there) different industry obviously but still, we are all connected, maybe a son or daughter would like some seasonal Christmas work etc. Describing supporting your city centre as charity, can't be done every time yeah but supporting city centre is charity / sense for ourselves.

These businesses - clue is in the name are eminently capitalist organisations that exist solely to make a profit. If they cannot do so they will need to adapt to the market and or offer something extra or different. Being local alone is never a good enough reason to hand your money over to a business. Earn it like.

Wanderer2010

fargojones123 wrote: »

Personally I never had a problem with any of the staff in the Bagel Factory

My point being that if you have a bad experience with someone in a shop, you are much less likely to put money into that shop, no matter how much you want to support local.

Wanderer78

engiweirdo wrote: »

Are people really suggesting taking an anti-capitalistic stance and supporting often poor value high street retail over a more competitive online option? That's frankly ridiculous. They know the game they're in. Are the epitome of capitalism themselves and would more often than not (and do so on an alarming basis) cut the parse out of wages to increase their bottom line. Compete/adapt or die. You don't get to be capitalist when it suits/cast some weird appeal to charity/loyalty when it suits.

our economic issues are far more complicated than just capitalism v's whatever, capitalism has been an incredible creation, but it has its problems of which i do think we re gonna have to stand up and deal with in the very near future, as our current approaches are slowly failing us all

Hedone

No money left to 'shop and support the businesses', over half the wages go on ever increasing rent, electricity, gas petrol etc

Gavlor

Hedone wrote: »

No money left to 'shop and support the businesses', over half the wages go on ever increasing rent, electricity, gas petrol etc

What about the other half??

engiweirdo

Wanderer78 wrote: »

engiweirdo wrote: »

Are people really suggesting taking an anti-capitalistic stance and supporting often poor value high street retail over a more competitive online option? That's frankly ridiculous. They know the game they're in. Are the epitome of capitalism themselves and would more often than not (and do so on an alarming basis) cut the parse out of wages to increase their bottom line. Compete/adapt or die. You don't get to be capitalist when it suits/cast some weird appeal to charity/loyalty when it suits.

our economic issues are far more complicated than just capitalism v's whatever, capitalism has been an incredible creation, but it has its problems of which i do think we re gonna have to stand up and deal with in the very near future, as our current approaches are slowly failing us all

Its not all that complex though. I will shop locally when the local store has what I want at a reasonable price. There is even a small premium on "cost of convenience" ie. being able to exit with the product in hand rather than wait for a delivery. This too has a limit however, and if local store offers to "order it in", forget about, you're no longer providing a service I cant get elsewhere and for cheaper too.

If not price, compete on convenience, if not convenience exceptional service, or find a niche, if you cant do any of these you probably shouldnt be in business. Free market is freedom to compete without undue obstruction or regulation not entitlement to profit/success.

dzilla

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

certainly I wouldn't step foot in Gregorys again, the guy there has an awful manner to him.

Strongly disagree with this, have only ever had good experiences in Gregory's, if there was an issue in there i don't think it would be Greg's who would be the problem.

Wanderer78

engiweirdo wrote: »

Wanderer78 wrote: »

engiweirdo wrote: »

Are people really suggesting taking an anti-capitalistic stance and supporting often poor value high street retail over a more competitive online option? That's frankly ridiculous. They know the game they're in. Are the epitome of capitalism themselves and would more often than not (and do so on an alarming basis) cut the parse out of wages to increase their bottom line. Compete/adapt or die. You don't get to be capitalist when it suits/cast some weird appeal to charity/loyalty when it suits.

our economic issues are far more complicated than just capitalism v's whatever, capitalism has been an incredible creation, but it has its problems of which i do think we re gonna have to stand up and deal with in the very near future, as our current approaches are slowly failing us all

Its not all that complex though. I will shop locally when the local store has what I want at a reasonable price. There is even a small premium on "cost of convenience" ie. being able to exit with the product in hand rather than wait for a delivery. This too has a limit however, and if local store offers to "order it in", forget about, you're no longer providing a service I cant get elsewhere and for cheaper too.

If not price, compete on convenience, if not convenience exceptional service, or find a niche, if you cant do any of these you probably shouldnt be in business. Free market is freedom to compete without undue obstruction or regulation not entitlement to profit/success.

The free market actually isn't all that free, as it truly only benefits large monopoly's, conglomerates and corporations, while hammering the ****e outta smaller enterprises, which is leading to a rapid rise in inequality and increasing worker insecurity