city square

Deiseen

iseegirls wrote: »

buzzinfly83 wrote: »

Any update on what shops are going into the new units. Looks empty especially up in the food court they built apart from Chopped. I'm presuming that the 2 big units on the outside have stores ready to move into them. Hopefully it will up and running soon.

Still not heard anything yet about new stores moving in.

Must say that Arundel Square is looking very nice, with it nearly being completed, with the path outside City Square/Carraig Donn being worked on now. Be good see Wetherspoons open up there, along with something going into Alfie Hales. Also I thought a cafe was going into that other Sports Shop on the corner, but no news on that either.

Starbucks moving into food court in March.

Max Powers

iseegirls wrote: »

Still not heard anything yet about new stores moving in.

Must say that Arundel Square is looking very nice, with it nearly being completed, with the path outside City Square/Carraig Donn being worked on now. Be good see Wetherspoons open up there, along with something going into Alfie Hales. Also I thought a cafe was going into that other Sports Shop on the corner, but no news on that either.

Planning approved on coffee chain in that old sport shop.
In news and star says discussions at advanced stage for new main unit on front of CS.

fargojones123

Starbucks in City Square? Can we just have Burger King back.

MartyMcFly84

It is unfortunate that the rent and rates are so high only mass chains can move into them. Just what Waterford needs another over rated chain coffee shop :rolleyes:

sillysocks

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

It is unfortunate that the rent and rates are so high only mass chains can move into them. Just what Waterford needs another over rated chain coffee shop :rolleyes:

Cafe Nero is going in according to Eddie Muligan from what I remember....

Harry Palmr

The proliferation of cafe's/coffee shops in Waterford over the last few years is just unsustainable.

dzilla

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The proliferation of cafe's/coffee shops in Waterford over the last few years is just unsustainable.

Don't forget the gadget shops and kebab houses

CeilingFly

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

It is unfortunate that the rent and rates are so high only mass chains can move into them. Just what Waterford needs another over rated chain coffee shop :rolleyes:

Its not always the rent and rates (it is in the cse of city square), but many landlords want blue chip retailers becasue it gives their investment a higher value.

e.g a shop rented to the newly started Ceiling Fly Sambo and Coffee Company at 30k a year would sell as an investment for about €350k.

Same shop rented to Costa / Insomnia / Nero / Stabucks at same rent would ahve an investment value of €450k+

So many landlords will sit on an empty property until the right retailer comes along and will often take a lower rent from a big name than an independent will offer.

And that's why main streets and shopping centres all have the same names and there's a dearth of independent retailers in prime pitches.

spaceCreated

fargojones123 wrote: »

Starbucks in City Square? Can we just have Burger King back.

Theres definitely an opportunity for one now, dont know what you had until its gone

Jamie2k9

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The proliferation of cafe's/coffee shops in Waterford over the last few years is just unsustainable.

If you think Waterford is bad its worse in Dublin, 4 new cafe/restaurants etc opening on a street where there is already maybe 15.

JohnC.

sillysocks wrote: »

Cafe Nero is going in according to Eddie Muligan from what I remember....

That's supposed to be across the road, where Sports Savers were. They got planning permission last month. Which is more than some coffee shops do...

sillysocks

Max Powers wrote: »

Planning approved on coffee chain in that old sport shop.
In news and star says discussions at advanced stage for new main unit on front of CS.

Sorry yes that’s what I meant, I replied to the wrong post! Cafe Nero is to go into Sports Savers and I think to have outside seating too.

iseegirls

The smaller coffee shop beside sport savers closed recently. Maybe due to the fact that Cafe Nero was on the way.

dzilla

iseegirls wrote: »

The smaller coffee shop beside sport savers closed recently. Maybe due to the fact that Cafe Nero was on the way.

Maybe or maybe not.

Flow Motion

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The proliferation of cafe's/coffee shops in Waterford over the last few years is just unsustainable.

How many coffee shops can a town have or actually want?
There is a crazy amount in the town and city. And a cup of
the black stuff is pretty expensive all told. So instead of Ireland
having a load of pubs the new addiction is coffee. Sitting around
posing inside or outside.

Road-Hog

Flow Motion wrote: »

How many coffee shops can a town have or actually want?
There is a crazy amount in the town and city. And a cup of
the black stuff is pretty expensive all told. So instead of Ireland
having a load of pubs the new addiction is coffee. Sitting around
posing inside or outside.

Loads of coffee shops but so be it.......definitely better that we are getting away from the pub Culture and the associated health and social issues/problems that arise

mooseknunkle

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The proliferation of cafe's/coffee shops in Waterford over the last few years is just unsustainable.

Waterford whispers covered this 3 years ago

Coffee Shops To Outnumber People By 2025
February 24, 2015 - BREAKING NEWS, LIFESTYLE

WITH the number of coffee shops in the country currently just under two million, experts are now predicting that figure will double by 2025.

A recent study found there is one coffee shop opening up every 17 minutes in Ireland alone.

“There are more coffee shops now than pubs,” said head researcher of the research, Patrick Moore. “There needs to be some kind of regulation introduced before the whole country turns into one big hippie coffee commune.”

In Waterford city alone, there are over 400 coffee shops – that’s one every 30 feet.

“C’mere boi, the town is broke and yet there’s still people drinking three euro cups of coffee like there’s no tomarra!” said local businessman George White, with two sugars. “Sure, all it does is make ya **** and give you the heebie jeebies – anxiety in a cup is all it tis!”

The coffee industry is worth over 67 billion euros to the Irish economy, making it one of the most sought after start-ups in the country. However, economists have warned of a possible ‘Coffee Bubble’, that may burst if not dealt with appropriately.

Speaking to WWN earlier, economist David Harrington admitted that a coffee crunch may be on the cards: “To be honest, I really hope it does collapse for my sake. Since the economy started picking up again, no one wants to listen to my doom and gloom stories anymore. It has to stop. What goes up, must go down.”

“Before, a coffee shop was somewhere in Amsterdam you went for a spliff, now its the new altar for the church of assholes,” he concluded.

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/02/24/coffee-shops-to-outnumber-people-by-2025/

Harry Palmr

As I am at only a short remove from the hostility er hospitality business I can report running costs esp labour are high, yet there must be enough froth on a cappuccino to make them pay at least until someone with deeper pockets and famous brand name moves in next door but one.

ongarboy

http://www.shelflife.ie/waterford-city-square-welcomes-starbucks/

Starbucks definitely confirmed for the food court.

davyboy1975

ongarboy wrote: »

http://www.shelflife.ie/waterford-city-square-welcomes-starbucks/

Starbucks definitely confirmed for the food court.

So are they just moving from john roberts square or keeping that open as well

Deiseen

How many units remaining in the food court now then?

iseegirls

It would have been exciting if it was the first one to open in Waterford, but there's one about a minutes walk away from City Square.

However, the one in Red Square is narrow, not wheelchair or buggy friendly, so I guess the one in City Square will help some, along with the hoards of teens that will hover around it on a weekend getting the free wifi.

Wexfordboy89

Any know if cex is still open was in there about a month ago n a lot of empty selves not a great amount of stock etc either

iseegirls

Wexfordboy89 wrote: »

Any know if cex is still open was in there about a month ago n a lot of empty selves not a great amount of stock etc either

Yes, it's still open.

CeilingFly

Deiseen wrote: »

How many units remaining in the food court now then?

One available and one under final negotiations

Wexfordboy89 wrote: »

Any know if cex is still open was in there about a month ago n a lot of empty selves not a great amount of stock etc either

"Store that does most business in week before Christmas has some empty shelves after Christmas"

fargojones123

It looks like Starbucks will be going into the "closed off" area of the food court seeing as all the windows there were covered this morning

TrustedApple

Wexfordboy89 wrote: »

Any know if cex is still open was in there about a month ago n a lot of empty selves not a great amount of stock etc either

That's cex for you it's a pawn shop after all.

All depends on what people are trading in and after xmess shops like would have very little stock in them

fargojones123

Looks like O'Briens and Abrakebabra are going into the Food Hall. Saw posters in the Food Hall saying they were looking for staff.

Also with Starbucks open there is a shorter way to the toilets from the stairs as you can cut through Starbucks

kilkenny31

Is there any word on what shops will be going in to the new units? Seems like they are ready with a while.

dzilla

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Is there any word on what shops will be going in to the new units? Seems like they are ready with a while.

I heard Dunnes and TK Maxx

Deiseen

dzilla wrote: »

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Is there any word on what shops will be going in to the new units? Seems like they are ready with a while.

I heard Dunnes and TK Maxx

Much better place for TK Maxx all the same. Wonder who will take the old dunnes place then?

dartboardio

Cafe Nero is opening soon in town I think... they're looking for assistant managers atm for Waterford City.

Don't we have enough bloody chain coffee shops

CeilingFly

dzilla wrote: »

I heard Dunnes and TK Maxx

Deiseen wrote: »

Much better place for TK Maxx all the same. Wonder who will take the old dunnes place then?

It's not TK Maxx itself, but Homesense. - Part of the TK Maxx family
http://www.homesense.ie/

Deiseen

CeilingFly wrote: »

dzilla wrote: »

I heard Dunnes and TK Maxx

Deiseen wrote: »

Much better place for TK Maxx all the same. Wonder who will take the old dunnes place then?

It's not TK Maxx itself, but Homesense. - Part of the TK Maxx family
http://www.homesense.ie/

Anyone have any confirmation on any of this?

dzilla

CeilingFly wrote: »

It's not TK Maxx itself, but Homesense. - Part of the TK Maxx family
http://www.homesense.ie/

ah makes sense.

fargojones123

dartboardio wrote: »

Cafe Nero is opening soon in town I think... they're looking for assistant managers atm for Waterford City.

Don't we have enough bloody chain coffee shops

Apparently not, given the amount of places that sell coffee around John Roberts Square

914

Deiseen wrote: »

Much better place for TK Maxx all the same. Wonder who will take the old dunnes place then?

The last I heard is that Dunnes homeware are moving into one of the new units so Dunnes as it stands would remain, no need to fill the old premises.

kilkenny31

dzilla wrote: »

I heard Dunnes and TK Maxx

That's a bit of a let down. No new stores to Waterford. I was in that homesense in cork and it's just the equivalent of the homeware section of TK max and if Dunnes open a homeware store in there too it's pretty much just extensions of existing stores.

914

kilkenny31 wrote: »

That's a bit of a let down. No new stores to Waterford. I was in that homesense in cork and it's just the equivalent of the homeware section of TK max and if Dunnes open a homeware store in there too it's pretty much just extensions of existing stores.

Agreed but it could be that a lot of the fashion outlets are waiting to see what happens with Michael St and the North Quays.

kilkenny31

914 wrote: »

Agreed but it could be that a lot of the fashion outlets are waiting to see what happens with Michael St and the North Quays.

Or it could be that fashion retail is dying and coffee shops and homeware is more profitable.

Max Powers

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Or it could be that fashion retail is dying and coffee shops and homeware is more profitable.

Does any of those potential tenants rumors have any solid basis or any insight..id say no, same rumor of either dunnes or tk or homesense went around thread couple months back....let's face it, nobody in hear seems to know, this thread found out about starbucks when it appeared in local paper, no one here knew about obriens and other place till a recruitment poster went up. I'd say, we'll find out for near certain who's taking it up when it appears in paper, wlr or on city square Facebook. For now, put the dunnes,tk,homesense rumours in the same April fool's category as John oShea or Daryl Murphy playing for the blues.

dzilla

Max Powers wrote: »

..... as John oShea or Daryl Murphy playing for the blues.

They wouldn't get a game boi

JohnC.

I have heard from Dunnes employees that they don't know for sure. However, Dunnes will apparently be losing a part of the current store (they own most of it, but part of the upstairs section is rented from City Square, who are taking it back), so it is feasible they would move that section to the new build.

fargojones123

Looks like the cake stand is gone

iseegirls

JohnC. wrote: »

I have heard from Dunnes employees that they don't know for sure. However, Dunnes will apparently be losing a part of the current store (they own most of it, but part of the upstairs section is rented from City Square, who are taking it back), so it is feasible they would move that section to the new build.

Is Dunnes that popular in Waterford or rich, that it can afford 3 units within 100 steps of each other. The women's unit needs a massive overhaul. Feels like I go back to the 90s when I step in there.

fargojones123

iseegirls wrote: »

Is Dunnes that popular in Waterford or rich, that it can afford 3 units within 100 steps of each other. The women's unit needs a massive overhaul. Feels like I go back to the 90s when I step in there.

It does seem a bit much, I would prefer new stores not just extensions of existing stores. I still remember going to Dunnes to buy toys in that store.

kilkenny31

iseegirls wrote: »

Is Dunnes that popular in Waterford or rich, that it can afford 3 units within 100 steps of each other. The women's unit needs a massive overhaul. Feels like I go back to the 90s when I step in there.

That's not unusual for Dunnes. 2 big stores in Kilkenny. The same in Clonmel. It's just disappointing that after all the development in city square Waterford will have gained nothing new bar Chopped.

fargojones123

kilkenny31 wrote: »

That's not unusual for Dunnes. 2 big stores in Kilkenny. The same in Clonmel. It's just disappointing that after all the development in city square Waterford will have gained nothing new bar Chopped.

But in those cases, the Dunnes are quite a distance from each other, here they are as mentioned nearly 100 metres apart, which is ridiculous if they decide to have a third store in the same area.

It looks like they don't care about variety just however can pay the rents

kilkenny31

fargojones123 wrote: »

But in those cases, the Dunnes are quite a distance from each other, here they are as mentioned nearly 100 metres apart, which is ridiculous if they decide to have a third store in the same area.

It looks like they don't care about variety just however can pay the rents

Yes but I would imagine the issue for Dunnnes is they can't get a store big enough in the city centre to accommodate everything into one unit so they are forced to spread over a number of units. The unit they have in Kilkenny is pretty big.

Jamie2k9

Do CQ own the old alfie hale shop and if so why didn't they knock it down and re-build it.

That whole street looks more like a no mans land and they appear to be taking forever to complete the road works.