Cheltenham Day 4 - Friday

andyman

Hopefully this doesn't come by too quickly. Discuss all Fridays racing here!

sdoc13

No more heros form got a nice boost with shaneshill. If he handles the good ground(presumming it dosent soften) he has to have a great chance. If it softens wont affect him.

JP Liz V1

Anyone hear anything about Road To Riches for Gold Cup?

Gringo180

SMAD PLACE NAP 20/1!!!!!!!!!

the groutch

money coming for Eastlake in the Grand Annual.
if as I expect McCoy has chosen to ride him, he's guaranteed to go off favorite.

hefferboi

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Anyone hear anything about Road To Riches for Gold Cup?

I'll be backing him anyway. Haven't heard anything though.

hefferboi

the groutch wrote: »

money coming for Eastlake in the Grand Annual.
if as I expect McCoy has chosen to ride him, he's guaranteed to go off favorite.

I heard McCoy will choose Ned Buntline?

culline

Eastlake hardening up now and Ned Buntline friendless. 10/1 taken with 365

rossom

I'd highly recommend taking the 33/1 on offer for Shantou Bob in the Albert Bartlett before final declarations are made tomorrow. If ignoring his last run when he clearly wasn't right (Greatrex said so and his yard were under a cloud that saw him go 0-28 in January), Shantou Bob has some very strong form in the book as he won his first 4 starts (P2P, Bumper and 2 hurdle races) before an excellent fast finishing 2nd behind Vyta Du Roc to go down by a nose in a Grade 2 at Sandown over 2m4f and that rival would have definitely finished 2nd to Windsor Park today had he not made a mess of the last. Having had a breathing operation since his last run, I think the step up to 3 miles will be the making of Shantou Bob as he looks an out and out stayer to me and I think he's completely overlooked in the market currently and will start about half that price.

Regular readers on here will no that Paint The Clouds has been my NAP of the festival for a couple of months and I've been backing him weekly at 8s/7s as well as topping up with a double from his last run at 10s. There's no doubt in my mind that he's comfortably the best horse in the race but I'd be lying if I wasn't slightly concerned that Greatrex is 0-17 this month.

jimjamcos

rossom wrote: »

I'd highly recommend taking the 33/1 on offer for Shantou Bob in the Albert Bartlett before final declarations are made tomorrow. If ignoring his last run when he clearly wasn't right (Greatrex said so and his yard were under a cloud that saw him go 0-28 in January), Shantou Bob has some very strong form in the book as he won his first 4 starts (P2P, Bumper and 2 hurdle races) before an excellent fast finishing 2nd behind Vyta Du Roc to go down by a nose in a Grade 2 at Sandown over 2m4f and that rival would have definitely finished 2nd to Windsor Park today had he not made a mess of the last. Having had a breathing operation since his last run, I think the step up to 3 miles will be the making of Shantou Bob as he looks an out and out stayer to me and I think he's completely overlooked in the market currently and will start about half that price.

Regular readers on here will no that Paint The Clouds has been my NAP of the festival for a couple of months and I've been backing him weekly at 8s/7s as well as topping up with a double from his last run at 10s. There's no doubt in my mind that he's comfortably the best horse in the race but I'd be lying if I wasn't slightly concerned that Greatrex is 0-17 this month.

Be interested to see how Cole Harden goes tomorrow. Plenty keen on him.

Gavster1982

McCoy has had a poor cheltenham...dissapointing his last should start this way....hopefully he wins a meaningful race or two...its all set up for him to win the GC and GN double (100/1) at minute and im on at that...


of his chances today id say Regal Encore 10/1 in the 2.05 and Tap Night 14.1 in the 4.40 are solid eachway double material

Johner

McCoy rides Ned Buntline.

unplayable

went for gold cup day last year and was loads of tickets for sale outside. will it be same scenario tomorrow do people think? short a couple tickets....

akelly02

My €20 Treble for tomorrow

Peace & Co 1.30 5/2

Silvianaco Conti 3.20 4/1

Paint The Clouds 4.00 4/1

returns €1750

irish_major

Id say everyone on boards happy to see cole harden go in there.
Peace and co and paint the clouds tomorrow will make me a very very happy bunny

handsfree2

rossom wrote: »

I'd highly recommend taking the 33/1 on offer for Shantou Bob in the Albert Bartlett before final declarations are made tomorrow. If ignoring his last run when he clearly wasn't right (Greatrex said so and his yard were under a cloud that saw him go 0-28 in January), Shantou Bob has some very strong form in the book as he won his first 4 starts (P2P, Bumper and 2 hurdle races) before an excellent fast finishing 2nd behind Vyta Du Roc to go down by a nose in a Grade 2 at Sandown over 2m4f and that rival would have definitely finished 2nd to Windsor Park today had he not made a mess of the last. Having had a breathing operation since his last run, I think the step up to 3 miles will be the making of Shantou Bob as he looks an out and out stayer to me and I think he's completely overlooked in the market currently and will start about half that price.

Regular readers on here will no that Paint The Clouds has been my NAP of the festival for a couple of months and I've been backing him weekly at 8s/7s as well as topping up with a double from his last run at 10s. There's no doubt in my mind that he's comfortably the best horse in the race but I'd be lying if I wasn't slightly concerned that Greatrex is 0-17 this month.

Will he handle soft? It's due to rain tonight

zpehtsfd

rossom wrote: »

Regular readers on here will no that Paint The Clouds has been my NAP of the festival for a couple of months and I've been backing him weekly at 8s/7s as well as topping up with a double from his last run at 10s. There's no doubt in my mind that he's comfortably the best horse in the race but I'd be lying if I wasn't slightly concerned that Greatrex is 0-17 this month.

Great time for the yard to come into form. Fingers & Toes crossed. GL

dobman88

All aboard Lord Windy. Ended up backing him by pure chance last year. His form almost mirrors his form from the last two years leading into Cheltenham too.

sdoc13

dobman88 wrote: »

All aboard Lord Windy. Ended up backing him by pure chance last year. His form almost mirrors his form from the last two years leading into Cheltenham too.

I have him backed AP and had intended going in again but any rain would not do his chances any gd. Same for Paint the clouds who I am also on AP.

I hope any rain is minimal but knowing my luck it will be a deluge.

kalinisi

1.30 Beltor e/w
2.05 Wicklow Brave e/w (seriously this is the last chance...)
2.40 No More Heroes, fancy him as strongly as Faugheen love this horse NAP
3.20 Silvinaco Conti / Smad Place
4.00 Salsify e/w Treble
4.40 Noble Endeavor e/w
5.15 Blood Cotil ,e/w really fancy this over a strong run 2 mile NB

kennyb3

rossom wrote: »

I'd highly recommend taking the 33/1 on offer for Shantou Bob in the Albert Bartlett before final declarations are made tomorrow. If ignoring his last run when he clearly wasn't right (Greatrex said so and his yard were under a cloud that saw him go 0-28 in January), Shantou Bob has some very strong form in the book as he won his first 4 starts (P2P, Bumper and 2 hurdle races) before an excellent fast finishing 2nd behind Vyta Du Roc to go down by a nose in a Grade 2 at Sandown over 2m4f and that rival would have definitely finished 2nd to Windsor Park today had he not made a mess of the last. Having had a breathing operation since his last run, I think the step up to 3 miles will be the making of Shantou Bob as he looks an out and out stayer to me and I think he's completely overlooked in the market currently and will start about half that price.

Really like this shout but says on RP commentary he broke a blood vessel? Thoughts? Massive concern for me, not a fan of backing horses after a bleed.

supremenovice

I think the Gold Cup is for sloggers, speed is not essential.
So Im making the case for Sam Winner.
I loved how he kept battling all the way to beat Medermit at Aintree in December(OK, its only Medermit, but still).
Stable is obviously flying too with three winners yesterday. Detractors may say he was well beaten by rival Smad Place in last years RSA. Fair enough, but Sam also beat Carlingford Lough and hes much shorter in the betting. Not only that, but Nicholls has turned around Dodging Bullets form this year after he was well beaten in last years Arkle, perhaps the recent changes to the gallops at Ditcheat are also to Sam Winners liking?
With rain expected Thursday night, it should increase the need for big stamina sloggers like my selection and with questions over the main contenders, Sam Winner could be the one who outlasts them all up the hill.

HarshOstrich

Matorico in the triumph at 40/1 e/w
I mentioned him weeks ago that I taught he was very tenderly handled behind Arabian revolution on his debut and hopefully he will have come on a lot for the experience as he was a decent flat horse in France.

Gringo180

If its any way soft tomorrow Houblon Des Obeuax comes into the race imo, he ran an absolute cracker in the Hennessy off top weight coming 2nd, wasnt beaten far by Many Clouds who is 6lbs worse off in the weights tomorrow.

Pure head scratcher of a race this is, especially if the rain does come, already have a nice ante post bet on Smad Place but soft ground would kill his chances imo.

SheldonC17

If it does rain who will like that in the gold cup?

mailburner

SheldonC17 wrote: »

If it does rain who will like that in the gold cup?

many clouds for one
hope it buckets down tonite

DylanAFC

Hopefully tomorrow is a better day for punters. I fancy Beltor in the Triumph. Coming into this off a great win at Kempton on soft ground. If he was trained by Nichols or Mullins he'd be half the price.

Miall108

Who fancies Many Clouds tomorrow?

mailburner

The jock wrote: »

I'm good friends with a guy who rides out horses for Willie Mullins. He's given me a few tips for the festival the last few years and most of them have won. Don Poli was the tip last year. He usually gives me a horse at a decent price. The horse he gave me for next week hasn't been mentioned by anyone in the previews. I'd take that as a good sign. It's running in the Coral Cup and its called Arbre De Vie. It's 20/1 at the moment. It was an unlucky 3rd behind Aux Ptits Soins in his first run in france. That horse is 9/1 fav for the Coral Cup. I think he should turn the form around with that horse. It won its next two races for Willie Mullins doing handstands. All the trends point to this horse doing well. 5 year old's have a tremendous record in the race. He's entered in about 4 races at the festival but I've been told the Coral Cup is the target. The price will go down once the 48 hour decs come out.

Hope he doesnt mind me quoting this, just a reminder for some like me who
backed arbre in the coral cup antepost and may want to go in again
wonder would they give one to townend? :pac: (ruby on hercules for those not familiar)

price looks pretty decent ew surely

20 runners and only three places, suprised nobody going 4 on it




edit, only 20s with lads now, didnt even get it myself

Plasandrunt

The more rain this becomes betweeen Coneygree and Many Clouds for me. Coneygree is probably my favourite horse in training atm and although i think he should have gone for the RSA i actually think this is a better oppurtunity for him.

I just hope it isn't a year too soon and it isn't another Gloria Victis situation

supremenovice

7/1 no more heros in PP shops until 1915

qwabercd

supremenovice wrote: »

7/1 no more heros in PP shops until 1915

Max bet?

The Red Lad

Will Peace and Co be bet Tommorow lads is the question ?

After lumping a decent sum on him he's an absolute machine I can't see him losing but I guess anything can happen on the day !

FortuneChip

qwabercd wrote: »

Max bet?

25.
Broadcaster couldn't sell it enough, so I eventually gave in and backed it.

Miall108

Bobs Worth a bit of a forgotten horse this year. Nicky Henderson says hes in great shape at the moment. Form may not be behind him but he loves Cheltenham and could be a huge threat if the real Bobs Worth shows up. I have him on each way at 14/1

dickenson famous5

Said it and backed it at 16s djakadam will take an awful lot of beating

sdoc13

Only horse I am backing tonight until we get the going in the morning is No More Heros. Think 5s is a decent price. 111/2 on the betfair.

All other bets on hold till I know how the going changes.

Hoping Paint the Clouds can do the business and hoping there isn't too much rain. Think Lord Windemere has a cracking chance in the Gold Cup if the ground doesn't dis-improve too much 18/1 is a cracking price.

Skybet doing 4 places on the gold cup too for anyone interested.

gazza1

I had planned on doing the following but if it does rain will it effect their chances.?

1.30 peace & co
2.05 quick jack
2.40 no more heroes
3.20 silviniaco conte
4.00 paint the clouds
4.40 rou des francs
5.15 ted veale

If someone could let me know id really appreciate it
thanks

rossom

Everyone hold off on backing Paint The Clouds. He can't handle soft ground at all so I'm ****ing praying the forecasts are wrong as a serious amount of AP bets will be down the swanny.

Miall108

rossom wrote: »

Everyone hold off on backing Paint The Clouds. He can't handle soft ground at all so I'm ****ing praying the forecasts are wrong as a serious amount of AP bets will be down the swanny.

whos your tips for the gold cup?

jimjamcos

rossom wrote: »

Everyone hold off on backing Paint The Clouds. He can't handle soft ground at all so I'm ****ing praying the forecasts are wrong as a serious amount of AP bets will be down the swanny.

He'll handle Good-Soft surely given how he beat Shoeraces two runs back. Will there be enough rain to make it proper soft?

rossom

jimjamcos wrote: »

He'll handle Good-Soft surely given how he beat Shoeraces two runs back. Will there be enough rain to make it proper soft?

He'll handle good to soft no bother. Some reports saying it'll be proper soft by GC so if that's the case he's fooked.

rossom

Miall108 wrote: »

whos your tips for the gold cup?

Probably Coneygree although I could give reasons for 6 or 7 to win.

gazza1

just been talking to my neighbour and he says cheltenham is due up to 12mm of rain tonight. Dont know if thats true or not but if its like it was here today then it could be.

jimjamcos

rossom wrote: »

He'll handle good to soft no bother. Some reports saying it'll be proper soft by GC so if that's the case he's fooked.

****€. Time to start praying.

rossom

kennyb3 wrote: »

Really like this shout but says on RP commentary he broke a blood vessel? Thoughts? Massive concern for me, not a fan of backing horses after a bleed.

I saw that but Greatrex's blog never mentioned it. Said there was a problem with his wind which has been rectified. Not a fan of backing horses after bleeding either but, even if he did, 40/1 is still a price well worth risking it at.

jackb123456789

Regarding paddy powers money back special on the 13:30 race, will all losing each way bets have their money returned?

kennyb3

rossom wrote: »

I saw that but Greatrex's blog never mentioned it. Said there was a problem with his wind which has been rectified. Not a fan of backing horses after bleeding either but, even if he did, 40/1 is still a price well worth risking it at.

Cheers yeah price is great relative to form. Hopefully didn't bleed at all and then he has serious chance of at least being placed. I hadn't seen blog so appreciate that input.

rossom

kennyb3 wrote: »

Cheers yeah price is great relative to form. Hopefully didn't bleed at all and then he has serious chance of at least being placed. I hadn't seen blog so appreciate that input.

He'd definitely appreciate some rain but it'll kill Paint The Clouds chances!

rossom

jackb123456789 wrote: »

Regarding paddy powers money back special on the 13:30 race, will all losing each way bets have their money returned?

If you do an each way bet and your horse comes 2nd or 3rd, you'll receive the place returns and will have the win part of your bet returned as a free bet.

So for example, if you have a 10er e/w on an 8/1 shot that is 2nd or 3rd you'll get your place money of €30 plus a €10 free bet.

jackb123456789

One last query regarding the paddy power money back special: If I've bet on a horse to Win, if he comes 4th, 5th, 6th etc, will i get my money back ?