Netanyahu Calls On World To Halt Iran's March Of Conquest And Terror

DavidRamsay99

marienbad wrote: »

So should we bomb them too ?

If a nuclear armed Pakistan become a threat to world peace, in particular if a radical Islamic extremism government took over, then military action would be needed to take out their nuclear sites.

DavidRamsay99

marienbad wrote: »

The West has been at war in the Middle East for over 20 years at this stage , how you can equate that with appeasement is beyond me.

Obama was elected on an appeasement ticket. Pull out the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan and magically the war on terror would end. Well that didn't work did it?

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

If a nuclear armed Pakistan become a threat to world peace, in particular if a radical Islamic extremism government took over, then military action would be needed to take out their nuclear sites.

Should we bomb Russia do you think ? Surely the biggest threat to world peace right now .

DavidRamsay99

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Palestine are salafists now? When did that happen?

ISIS are prioritising murdering Muslims who oppose them ahead of pretty much everyone. We hear more about their executions of westerners, but they've killed many more Muslims in just as horrible ways. If they ever cross the border into Israel, it'll be the Palestinians they kill first, because that is what is dictated by salafist jihadism. Hamas are apostates, and apostates die first. The Israelis and the westerners can wait.

But ultimately they believe in the triumph of the Islamic Caliphate over the entire globe and the mass murder of all the Jews. They differ about going about it much like the SS and SA differed on their version of Nazism and the Stalinists and Trotskyists differ on their version of Communism.

DavidRamsay99

marienbad wrote: »

Should we bomb Russia do you think ? Surely the biggest threat to world peace right now .

If Russia continue to threaten Eastern Europe and if they move further into Ukraine or make a move on the Baltic nations there could very well be war.

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Obama was elected on an appeasement ticket. Pull out the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan and magically the war on terror would end. Well that didn't work did it?

They was nothing magical about it , the damage had already been done and couldn't be undone .And it was pointless continuing to waste lives. Now we just have to outlast the consequences of those catastrophic wars.

DavidRamsay99

marienbad wrote: »

They was nothing magical about it , the damage had already been done and couldn't be undone .And it was pointless continuing to waste lives. Now we just have to outlast the consequences of those catastrophic wars.

The Iraq War was won by General Petreus's Surge. When Obama became President he withdrew all US troops and the collapse of the Iraqi Army and the rise of ISIS was all too predictable.

Bush predicted the consequences of a pullout with precision:

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

If Russia continue to threaten Eastern Europe and if they move further into Ukraine or make a move on the Baltic nations there could very well be war.

So let me get this right , you are advocating that we bomb Iran Pakistan and Russia ? Should we do it all at once or is that too much ?

If the nutjobs running Egypt fall (as they surely will ) should we bomb them also ?

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The Iraq War was won by General Petreus's Surge. When Obama became President he withdrew all US troops and the collapse of the Iraqi Army and the rise of ISIS was all too predictable.

Bush predicted the consequences of a pullout with precision:

This Iraq war could never be won , learn from De Gaulle in Algeria

DavidRamsay99

marienbad wrote: »

So let me get this right , you are advocating that we bomb Iran Pakistan and Russia ? Should we do it all at once or is that too much ?

If the nutjobs running Egypt fall (as they surely will ) should we bomb them also ?

Do you want Islamic nutjobs in Iran to have nukes?
Do you want Russia to regain control of Eastern Europe?
Do you want nuclear armed Pakistan to be taken over by a radical Islamic government?
Do you want the Sisi government in Egypt to lose control to the Muslim Brotherhood?

If so do you want Europe and America and the western civilized world to be threatened all sides by violent and brutal regimes prepared to spread chaos throughout the entire globe?

Or do you think something should be done about it?

Or to put it another way.

Freedom or Slavery?

DavidRamsay99

marienbad wrote: »

This Iraq war could never be won , learn from De Gaulle in Algeria

So nothing should be done about ISIS? Let them grow in power and threaten and bully and attack the West with impunity in the future? Let them arm themselves with nukes too perhaps?

Abandoning Iraq has led directly to this impasse with other nations sensing that American power is all a bluff and they have a paper military a cowardly indecisive President is not prepared to use.

No wonder the rebels in Ukraine seized Debaltseve and Putin had Boris Nemtsov murdered.

The West is powerless or unwilling to do anything.

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Do you want Islamic nutjobs in Iran to have nukes?
Do you want Russia to regain control of Eastern Europe?
Do you want nuclear armed Pakistan to be taken over by a radical Islamic government?
Do you want the Sisi government in Egypt to lose control to the Muslim Brotherhood?

If so do you want Europe and America and the western civilized world to be threatened all sides by violent and brutal regimes prepared to spread chaos throughout the entire globe?

Or do you think something should be done about it?

Or to put it another way.

Freedom or Slavery?

Of course something should be done about it , just not bombing half the globe

DavidRamsay99

marienbad wrote: »

Of course something should be done about it , just not bombing half the globe

So what should be done then?

The rot that has been allowed to happen could very well lead to all out global war.

Nodin

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

So what should be done then?

The rot that has been allowed to happen could very well lead to all out global war.

Is there some reason you're avoiding this question?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94537004&postcount=78

SpaceSasqwatch

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Iran are the warmonger, screaming death to America and death to Israel while arming terrorists like Hezbollah and Hamas who have attacked Israel repeatedly.

Even if Israel has to stand alone Israel will stand.

Simple as that.

But America also stands with Israel so Israel does not have to.

Hasbara...tediously predictable:rolleyes:

hatrickpatrick

I'm no fan of the Iranian regime, but anything which challenges America's power over the Middle East - an area outside its legitimate jurisdiction - is something I have a hard time opposing.

DavidRamsay99

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm no fan of the Iranian regime, but anything which challenges America's power over the Middle East - an area outside its legitimate jurisdiction - is something I have a hard time opposing.

So you think the world would be really a better place with a nuclear armed Shia Islamic fundamentalist theocracy? :rolleyes:

DavidRamsay99

Nodin wrote: »

Is there some reason you're avoiding this question?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94537004&postcount=78

It's obvious that you think nothing should be done to stop Iran from getting their hands on nukes, you think nothing should be done to stop ISIS, you think Israeli should do nothing to stop Palestinian terrorists from trying to slaughter them and you think Israel should be stripped of its nuclear arms to make it easier for the Arabs to overwhelm them and kill them? Correct?

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

So what should be done then?

The rot that has been allowed to happen could very well lead to all out global war.

You mean the rot as a consequences of Bush's wars ? But you really don't do irony do you ? You are advocating global war somehow to prevent global war.

Anything is better than bomb bomb bomb .

marienbad

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

So nothing should be done about ISIS? Let them grow in power and threaten and bully and attack the West with impunity in the future? Let them arm themselves with nukes too perhaps?

Abandoning Iraq has led directly to this impasse with other nations sensing that American power is all a bluff and they have a paper military a cowardly indecisive President is not prepared to use.

No wonder the rebels in Ukraine seized Debaltseve and Putin had Boris Nemtsov murdered.

The West is powerless or unwilling to do anything.

This is just unadulterated bs, you are letting your hatred of Obama cloud your judgement .

ISIS will never threaten the west , let the regional powers there sort out their differences and confront them . They certainly have the means and the manpower.

Putin invaded Ukraine because he could , there is nothing we could have or should have done about it , the damage was already done when we tried to pull Ukraine towards the west.It is no different that the Bay of Pigs and the missile crisis all those years ago , spheres of influence and all that .

We poked the bear and a particularly unstable one at that.

Nodin

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

It's obvious that you think nothing should be done to stop Iran from getting their hands on nukes, you think nothing should be done to stop ISIS, you think Israeli should do nothing to stop Palestinian terrorists from trying to slaughter them and you think Israel should be stripped of its nuclear arms to make it easier for the Arabs to overwhelm them and kill them? Correct?

No.

Care to answer my question on the fourth time of asking?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94537004&postcount=78

ComfortKid

DavidRamsay99 wrote:

The Iranians wouldn't care less if the Palestinians perish as long as they destroyed Israel.

How many Iranians have you surveyed to come to this conclusion?

jank

Some would back Iran over the West any day of the weak in some way to give it to Israel. A nuclear Iran would be bad, not sure if there are peaceful ways to stop it but if Iran gets the bomb then it would trigger an Arms race in the middle east and when the region is always in flux. Image Hamas or ISIS with the bomb?

Gringo180

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

If Russia continue to threaten Eastern Europe and if they move further into Ukraine or make a move on the Baltic nations there could very well be war.

Humanity would be know more if we had people like you in power!

jank

jank wrote: »

Some would back Iran over the West any day of the weak in some way to give it to Israel. A nuclear Iran would be bad, not sure if there are peaceful ways to stop it but if Iran gets the bomb then it would trigger an Arms race in the middle east and when the region is always in flux. Image Hamas or ISIS with the bomb?

Well since '79 Iran has managed to maintain a high Human Development Index despite sanctions from the west and proxy wars being fought against it. Despite that it's taken them 36 years since then to even get to the stage of "threatening" to have nuclear weapons. We're probably a bit away from Hamas having the means to develop one and the capability of firing one off a shoulder.
And I don't particularly "back" Iran.

Timberrrrrrrr

jank wrote: »

Some would back Iran over the West any day of the weak in some way to give it to Israel. A nuclear Iran would be bad, not sure if there are peaceful ways to stop it but if Iran gets the bomb then it would trigger an Arms race in the middle east and when the region is always in flux. Image Hamas or ISIS with the bomb?

It's scaremongering crap like this that has had western troops fighting in the ME for the last 20 years and the caused the deaths of millions. If the Republicans get into power in the next US election we can expect a massive ramp up of propaganda like this just like we had the old "Saddam has WMD's" back in the Bush era.

Padraig Mor

Netanyahu has been lying about Iran being "on the verge" of nuclear weapons for over 20 years:
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/02/brief-history-netanyahu-crying-wolf-iranian-nuclear-bomb/
(highly recommended reading)

And yet, the Israeli intelligence services say that Iran is not trying to make nuclear weapons - this assessment is in agreement with that of the American intelligence services, who say Iran gave up trying to make nuclear weapons years ago.

Iran have missiles that can reach far beyond the middle east into the heart of Europe.

And yet, it is Israeli politicians who have explicitly threatened European countries with missile attack.

BoJack Horseman

Padraig Mor wrote: »

And yet, it is Israeli politicians who have explicitly threatened European countries with missile attack.

When?

And with what?

jank

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

It's scaremongering crap like this that has had western troops fighting in the ME for the last 20 years and the caused the deaths of millions. If the Republicans get into power in the next US election we can expect a massive ramp up of propaganda like this just like we had the old "Saddam has WMD's" back in the Bush era.

The people in the ME have been long fighting among themselves with no help from the West. Blaming it all on the bad ol West is a simple excuse to ignore the realities on the ground in the ME today. To put it plainly the place is still socially and politically like its the Middle ages. Iran is no exception. They have killed 3,000 people in the last 30 years for being gay as one example.

A nuclear Iran is opening pandoras box and no one would know how it would play out. However, I would not be advocating aggressive military action to stop it. Tricky call for all concerned.

Not sure what the Republicans have to do with it as they already control Congress.

jank

Deleted User wrote: »

Well since '79 Iran has managed to maintain a high Human Development Index despite sanctions from the west and proxy wars being fought against it. Despite that it's taken them 36 years since then to even get to the stage of "threatening" to have nuclear weapons. We're probably a bit away from Hamas having the means to develop one and the capability of firing one off a shoulder.
And I don't particularly "back" Iran.

A HDI index that includes no rights for minorities or women?