Children need to be ‘protected’ from religion

Nomis21 · 25-02-2015 1:06pm #1

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/richard-dawkins-children-need-to-be-protected-from-religion-1.2116281

Why is the Church still trusted with Education...?

vicwatson · 25-02-2015 1:14pm

It's a nonsense

Who says they are "trusted"?

Nomis21 · 25-02-2015 2:32pm

The Government must trust them, or they wouldn't be allowed to operate would they?

Absolam · 26-02-2015 4:59am

Nomis21 wrote: »

The Government must trust them, or they wouldn't be allowed to operate would they?

Everyone trusts them, don't they? The Church has never given anyone a reason not to trust them, surely?
On the other hand maybe the Church isn't (still?) trusted with Education.

DavidRamsay99 · 26-02-2015 10:19am

If those three girls who ran off to join ISIS had been protected from religion perhaps they wouldn't be doomed to being passed around like meat and gangraped? If they snap out of their trance and try to escape they will probably be beheaded and chopped to pieces or burned alive.

uck51js9zml2yt · 26-02-2015 10:37am

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

If those three girls who ran off to join ISIS had been protected from religion perhaps they wouldn't be doomed to being passed around like meat and gangraped? If they snap out of their trance and try to escape they will probably be beheaded and chopped to pieces or burned alive.

Can't resist

Were is your link to support your claim?

PopePalpatine · 26-02-2015 11:20am

Absolam wrote: »

Everyone trusts them, don't they? The Church has never given anyone a reason not to trust them, surely?
On the other hand maybe the Church isn't (still?) trusted with Education.

I hope you're being sarcastic.

MaxWig · 06-03-2015 3:03pm

Nomis21 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/richard-dawkins-children-need-to-be-protected-from-religion-1.2116281

Why is the Church still trusted with Education...?

I think you missed his point.

Dawkins and Krauss want children protected from Religion, not any church or church run institutions.

They believe that exposure to religious ideas are poisonous to a child's healthy development

realdanbreen · 06-03-2015 3:10pm

MaxWig wrote: »

I think you missed his point.

Dawkins and Krauss want children protected from Religion, not any church or church run institutions.

They believe that exposure to religious ideas are poisonous to a child's healthy development

Religious bodies educated children in this country despite unbelieveable persecution from Dawkins and Krauss's ancestors.

MaxWig · 06-03-2015 3:16pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Religious bodies educated children in this country despite unbelieveable persecution from Dawkins and Krauss's ancestors.

Not being funny, but now I've missed your point.

realdanbreen · 06-03-2015 3:32pm

MaxWig wrote: »

Not being funny, but now I've missed your point.

Point is that persucution of those with religious beliefs is part of the makeup of Dawkins and Krauss.

robindch · 06-03-2015 3:33pm

MaxWig wrote: »

Dawkins and Krauss want children protected from Religion, not any church or church run institutions. They believe that exposure to religious ideas are poisonous to a child's healthy development

A common misconception which Dawkins has attempted to correct many, many times.

Dawkins is very happy to have religious stories told to children as stories - whether they're christian stories, or stories about Thor, Zeus and the rest. He, and I think most posters here, do not want religious stories presented as if they were true.

MaxWig · 06-03-2015 3:34pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Point is that persucution of those with religious beliefs is part of the makeup of Dawkins and Krauss.

Oh, agreed. Kinda.

Not sure I'd call it persecution, but they seem intent on repeating themselves alright

MaxWig · 06-03-2015 3:35pm

robindch wrote: »

A common misconception which Dawkins has attempted to correct many, many times.

Dawkins is very happy to have religious stories told to children as stories - whether they're christian stories, or stories about Thor, Zeus and the rest. He, and I think most posters here, do not want religious stories presented as if they were true.

Right. So 'religious ideas' was the correct way to phrase it then?

robindch · 06-03-2015 3:36pm

MaxWig wrote: »

realdanbreen wrote: »

Religious bodies educated children in this country despite unbelieveable persecution from Dawkins and Krauss's ancestors.

Not being funny, but now I've missed your point..

Dawkins speaks with an English accent. Therefore, Dawkins commenting on the control of Irish schools by the Vatican is "persecution".

As bit like the Irish Water protesters protesting at 50c per day based upon consumption rather than general taxation, one can only wonder what would happen if people who refer to legitimate comment as "persecution" were actually subjected to real persecution.

robindch · 06-03-2015 3:37pm

MaxWig wrote: »

Right. So 'religious ideas' was the correct way to phrase it then?

Religious ideas are contained within religious stories.

MaxWig · 06-03-2015 3:42pm

robindch wrote: »

Religious ideas are contained within religious stories.

And Religious stories are contained within religious ideas.

Semantics?

realdanbreen · 06-03-2015 3:46pm

robindch wrote: »

Dawkins speaks with an English accent. Therefore, Dawkins commenting on the control of Irish schools by the Vatican is "persecution".

As bit like the Irish Water protesters protesting at 50c per day based upon consumption rather than general taxation, one can only wonder what would happen if people who refer to legitimate comment as "persecution" were actually subjected to real persecution.

What are you on about?

Mr. Remote Control · 06-03-2015 3:54pm

I agree. Children DO need to be ‘protected’ from religion. Religion is a load of bullsh*t. If all children were brought up in reality, i.e. Son you are an ape. You are an animal like every other; therefor you are fragile and could die at any time. It's a rough world out there, but you can make it great for yourself. There is no heaven child, so work hard, eat well, live well and be happy. The world is there for you.

Instead of.

You're sh*t doesn't stink. If this life doesn't work out - it's OK because your going to heaven. The world isn't your oyster. Don't think this, don't think that. This is wrong, that is wrong. Judge. Judge. Judge. Hell. Demons. Heaven. Shame. Sins. You are a sinner.

I remember confessions as a child. I could never get it. You know, the only lies I ever told as a child were the ones to the priest during confessions. I remember worrying to my teachers and parents, saying but I haven't sinned, why do I have to tell this man my sins? I ended up telling him, I did this or I did that - none of it was true of course. Why the f*** is cool to insist on a young impressionable mind that they are a sinner?

Bastards.

robindch · 06-03-2015 3:57pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

What are you on about?

I'm explaining your nonsensical logic.

realdanbreen · 06-03-2015 4:05pm

robindch wrote: »

I'm explaining your nonsensical logic.

You're talking rubbish you mean.And why have you a problem with anyone with an English accent?
Are you racist as well as an atheist?

MaxWig · 06-03-2015 4:08pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Are you racist as well as an atheist?

haha

realdanbreen · 06-03-2015 4:13pm

Mr. Remote Control wrote: »

I agree. Children DO need to be ‘protected’ from religion. Religion is a load of bullsh*t. If all children were brought up in reality, i.e. Son you are an ape. You are an animal like every other; therefor you are fragile and could die at any time. It's a rough world out there, but you can make it great for yourself. There is no heaven child, so work hard, eat well, live well and be happy. The world is there for you.

Instead of.

You're sh*t doesn't stink. If this life doesn't work out - it's OK because your going to heaven. The world isn't your oyster. Don't think this, don't think that. This is wrong, that is wrong. Judge. Judge. Judge. Hell. Demons. Heaven. Shame. Sins. You are a sinner.

I remember confessions as a child. I could never get it. You know, the only lies I ever told as a child were the ones to the priest during confessions. I remember worrying to my teachers and parents, saying but I haven't sinned, why do I have to tell this man my sins? I ended up telling him, I did this or I did that - none of it was true of course. Why the f*** is cool to insist on a young impressionable mind that they are a sinner?

Bastards.

It never ceases to amaze me how there are otherwise sensible adults out there who believe that once upon a time there was a BANG and Hey Presto! life began.

lazygal · 06-03-2015 4:23pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me how there are otherwise sensible adults out there who believe that once upon a time there was a BANG and Hey Presto! life began.

It never ceases to amaze me that people don't realise it is a pure accident of birth that they are one religion and not another. It never ceases to amaze me that adults can sincerely believe they've plumped on the one 'proper' way to worship whatever god or gods they worship, out of the millions of other gods they could be pleasing. And it never ceases to amaze me that so many cultural catholics pick out the bits of the bible and rituals they like and skim over the nasty bits.

shruikan2553 · 06-03-2015 4:26pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me how there are otherwise sensible adults out there who believe that once upon a time there was a BANG and Hey Presto! life began.

Thankfully creationists are a minority.

galljga1 · 06-03-2015 4:33pm

robindch wrote: »

A common misconception which Dawkins has attempted to correct many, many times.

Dawkins is very happy to have religious stories told to children as stories - whether they're christian stories, or stories about Thor, Zeus and the rest. He, and I think most posters here, do not want religious stories presented as if they were true.

Now you are knocking Thor and Zeus... Where is this going to end?

Mr. Remote Control · 06-03-2015 4:33pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me how there are otherwise sensible adults out there who believe that once upon a time there was a BANG and Hey Presto! life began.

It wasn't once upon a time, it was 13.8 billion years ago. But hey, if your book tells you it was 6000 years ago then fair enough. I have a little ammonite in my hand here that's older than that. In fact it's about 150 million years old.

Mr. Remote Control · 06-03-2015 4:35pm

And it wasn't just a BANG! It was a BIG!!! BANG!

Pchooowoooow!!!

kylith · 06-03-2015 4:40pm

Mr. Remote Control wrote: »

And it wasn't just a BANG! It was a BIG!!! BANG!

Pchooowoooow!!!

Then it wasn't so much a Hey Presto! as a 'after billions of years'.

realdanbreen · 06-03-2015 4:53pm

Mr. Remote Control wrote: »

It wasn't once upon a time, it was 13.8 billion years ago. But hey, if your book tells you it was 6000 years ago then fair enough. I have a little ammonite in my hand here that's older than that. In fact it's about 150 million years old.

Where are you getting 6000 years from?
Have you ever studied Theology? Religion makes perfect sense to anyone who has. But hey, if the lazy 'it all started with a big bang way back( or so I'm told by some clever professor type guy's) is how you see life then fine, enjoy.

BoatMad · 06-03-2015 4:59pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Religious bodies educated children in this country despite unbelieveable persecution from Dawkins and Krauss's ancestors.

the religious bodies maintained instruction of children so as to ensure indoctrination not education

In the 18th century of course they become part of the educational establishment, ( see maynooth etc) and become actually very established as " official " educators well before the founding of the state

( see when irish was introduced in teaching into the school system , at it was not after 1922 !!)

Certainly the catholic religion suffered bouts of persecution for they religion at times , as teachers they didn't though

Children need to be ‘protected’ from religion

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