Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Locker10a

Deleted User wrote: »

Locker10a wrote: »

Nope, but that's fairly exciting news, I think the CS300 would be a perfect aircraft for EI

Nothing but a rumour at the moment certainly would be an interesting move for EI, BA are phasing out their 319's so either it's a replacement for those or going to city flyer to replace the ERJ's.

I can imagine these being useful at Iberia too, as a new generation jet with seating of about 145Y I'd imagine this sized jet coupled with its modern efficiency would be a very attractive and useful jet for EI, and a sub fleet through a larger IAG order could well make it an cost effective addition to the fleet.

kevinandrew

Well Aer Lingus Regional operated by Stobart Air has reached its network limit, the franchise could be expanded to include a jet operator (CityJet SSJ) for thinner European routes or indeed Aer Lingus themselves could look at a smaller jet like the Embraer E2 or the C Series to pad out their network and further support the growth on their connecting business via Dublin. 

The A319 isn't a good example of a smaller jet at Aer Lingus, the costs of operating one versus the A320 is near enough the same and you've lost a number of seats in doing so. A genuine regional jet, designed for that specific role could be of great use for Aer Lingus in the long term.

Tenger

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone heard anything about an IAG order for CS300's and 10 fro EI ?

I probably saw the same tweet as yourself, from a usually well informed source. But of course we would want more than one point of reference to be able to make it more than just a 'rumour'.

Tenger

Tenger wrote: »

I probably saw the same tweet as yourself, from a usually well informed source. But of course we would want more than one point of reference to be able to make it more than just a 'rumour'.

Yep nothing other than a rumour as it stands.

AndyBoBandy

is the CS300 ETOPs certified?

L1011

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

is the CS300 ETOPs certified?

120 out of the box and 180 after reliability proving is what Bombardier claim

roundymac

Locker10a wrote: »

Ah ok cheers, I somehow picked up one or none of the new leases were going ahead!
Has there been anymore regarding the cityjet lease for the summer ?

The Cityjet SSJs are going to Brussels Airlines for the summer according to AIRLINER WORLD. Replacing RJ85s.

Locker10a

roundymac wrote: »

Locker10a wrote: »

Ah ok cheers, I somehow picked up one or none of the new leases were going ahead!
Has there been anymore regarding the cityjet lease for the summer ?

The Cityjet SSJs are going to Brussels Airlines for the summer according to AIRLINER WORLD. Replacing RJ85s.

Correct, but it was also reported that at least 1 was going to be operating some additions flights for EI over the summer, I don't know how true it is, it was a rumour, I also don't know how many SSJs cityjet plan to operate over the summer.
Anyone know if they are due any more deliveries soon?

River Song

Locker10a wrote: »

Correct, but it was also reported that at least 1 was going to be operating some additions flights for EI over the summer, I don't know how true it is, it was a rumour, I also don't know how many SSJs cityjet plan to operate over the summer.
Anyone know if they are due any more deliveries soon?

I heard they were to be operating LGW-NOC and some BHD flights this summer but not sure how much there is in the rumour.

Jamie2k9

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-14/iag-said-to-seal-long-range-airbus-a321neo-order-for-aer-lingus

IAG SA has sealed a deal to take seven long-range variants of Airbus Group SE’s A321neo single-aisle jetliner for Irish arm Aer Lingus, people with knowledge of the agreement said.

The transaction may be unveiled on Feb. 24 when British Airways parent IAG reports full-year results, according to the people, who asked not to be named as the details aren’t yet public. The company is likely to take the jets via a lease deal involving a new order from a third party, one of the people said.

Locker10a

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-14/iag-said-to-seal-long-range-airbus-a321neo-order-for-aer-lingus

IAG SA has sealed a deal to take seven long-range variants of Airbus Group SE’s A321neo single-aisle jetliner for Irish arm Aer Lingus, people with knowledge of the agreement said.

The transaction may be unveiled on Feb. 24 when British Airways parent IAG reports full-year results, according to the people, who asked not to be named as the details aren’t yet public. The company is likely to take the jets via a lease deal involving a new order from a third party, one of the people said.

Good news, although I'd imagine delivery slots could be a while off.
Next up is to hear if there's any truth in the CS300 rumour

LXFlyer

Any news on the third flight between Dublin and JFK this summer operated by the Boeing 757 and consequent additional capacity on the Shannon-Boston route with a 767 or similar.

No sign of it on the website at this stage - over a month later than it appeared last year.

Is it going to happen in 2017?

Jamie2k9

lxflyer wrote: »

Any news on the third flight between Dublin and JFK this summer operated by the Boeing 757 and consequent additional capacity on the Shannon-Boston route with a 767 or similar.

No sign of it on the website at this stage - over a month later than it appeared last year.

Is it going to happen in 2017?

Not happening.

Good news, although I'd imagine delivery slots could be a while off.
Next up is to hear if there's any truth in the CS300 rumour

One would expect 2020/21 at earliest.

LXFlyer

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Not happening.

Interesting - that must have been another late decision like Oporto.

I know Newark is there now but the daytime flights did pretty well in the two years they operated?

Shannon wins and loses - less capacity this summer than previously but has a full Aer Lingus operated service.

JCX BXC

lxflyer wrote: »

Interesting - that must have been another late decision like Oporto.

I know Newark is there now but the daytime flights did pretty well in the two years they operated?

Shannon wins and loses - less capacity this summer than previously but has a full Aer Lingus operated service.

It seems it was always the plan to not operate the morning JFK when EWR arrived. I've not seen anything suggesting that it was to come back this year, I've actually seen articles since before December that stated this wasn't happening (more specifically SNN-BOS on 767 wasn't happening).

Reviews were dire on the service though.

kub

lxflyer wrote:

Shannon wins and loses - less capacity this summer than previously but has a full Aer Lingus operated service.

Anything to do with Norwegian I wonder?

LXFlyer

kub wrote: »

Anything to do with Norwegian I wonder?

I doubt it.

JCX BXC

lxflyer wrote: »

I doubt it.

With nothing yet announced, I doubt they'll get any services this summer running.

Tenger

JCX BXC wrote: »

It seems it was always the plan to not operate the morning JFK when EWR arrived......

Doesnt the EWR service operate between the 2 JFK's? This would complement the JFK route as well as serve the EWR hub itself. Adding a 4th NYC service might be a bit much capacity, even for the biggest airline on DUB-USA.

The early JFK flight was a nice idea, I wonder will the A321LR usher in its fanfare relaunch? Would be nice PR for EI, IAG and Airbus

Comhrá

Does this mean that AL will once again be the first airline to operate a new Airbus type on the North Atlantic as they were with the A330?

Locker10a

tippman1 wrote: »

Does this mean that AL will once again be the first airline to operate a new Airbus type on the North Atlantic as they were with the A330?

Would be pretty cool if they were, but I doubt they'll get delivery slots for a few years!! I'm sure the US airlines also have this aircraft on order, they may well beat EI to it with transatlantic flying.

Dardania

tippman1 wrote: »

Does this mean that AL will once again be the first airline to operate a new Airbus type on the North Atlantic as they were with the A330?

Locker10a wrote: »

tippman1 wrote: »

Does this mean that AL will once again be the first airline to operate a new Airbus type on the North Atlantic as they were with the A330?

Would be pretty cool if they were, but I doubt they'll get delivery slots for a few years!! I'm sure the US airlines also have this aircraft on order, they may well beat EI to it with transatlantic flying.

The lessors might already have the slots booked...

Locker10a

Dardania wrote: »

tippman1 wrote: »

Does this mean that AL will once again be the first airline to operate a new Airbus type on the North Atlantic as they were with the A330?

Locker10a wrote: »

tippman1 wrote: »

Does this mean that AL will once again be the first airline to operate a new Airbus type on the North Atlantic as they were with the A330?

Would be pretty cool if they were, but I doubt they'll get delivery slots for a few years!! I'm sure the US airlines also have this aircraft on order, they may well beat EI to it with transatlantic flying.

The lessors might already have the slots booked...

I've heard TAP are due their deliveries in 2019, so they may well beat EI on being the first to use it transatlantic

Marcusm

Locker10a wrote: »

Would be pretty cool if they were, but I doubt they'll get delivery slots for a few years!! I'm sure the US airlines also have this aircraft on order, they may well beat EI to it with transatlantic flying.

Weren't the initial orders for leasecos? Given that's IAG/EI's announced acquisition method, perhaps they have already lined up the launch aircraft deliveries.

Van.Bosch

Independent says EIS 2019

Locker10a

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Independent says EIS 2019

That's a pity, with the imminent launch of Norwegians 737max transatlantic services from Ireland, EI could do with the 321neos asap so they can compete and hold their market share

Locker10a

Locker10a wrote: »

That's a pity, with the imminent launch of Norwegians 737max transatlantic services from Ireland, EI could do with the 321neos asap so they can compete and hold their market share

No harm in a bit of healthy competition or indeed increasing demand and traffic. Aer Lingus's prices tend to be higher than needed especially with their fuel surcharge still being applied and adding well over €120 to every one of their fares.

Noxegon

Tenger wrote: »

Doesnt the EWR service operate between the 2 JFK's? This would complement the JFK route as well as serve the EWR hub itself. Adding a 4th NYC service might be a bit much capacity, even for the biggest airline on DUB-USA.

I think it's a shame that the daytime service was the one to drop, though. It was nice to be able to fly transatlantic without horrible jet lag for a while.

JCX BXC

Deleted User wrote: »

No harm in a bit of healthy competition or indeed increasing demand and traffic. Aer Lingus's prices tend to be higher than needed especially with their fuel surcharge still being applied and adding well over €120 to every one of their fares.

No harm in a bit of healthy competition, the question is whether it is healthy or not. There is still big question marks over Norwegians contracts, wages, and in general business practises that I haven't seen answered yet. I can't see why these aren't being answered publicly , assuming that their practises are sound.

In Dublin Airport, the services by Aer Lingus are as good as guaranteed, Aer Lingus is based there and they likely won't be expanding to areas outside Ireland, for Shannon, it's slightly different. Aer Lingus, although offering the services with dedication most of the time, will probably not stick around if their yields are reduced significantly.

No use to Cork or Shannon if Norwegian come in and leave again a year later.

Which of course, is fine, it's business, assuming of course that Norwegian and Aer Lingus are on a level playing field in terms of regulation.

If Norwegian do stick around, I can see Aer Lingus wanting them A321's fairly soon to compete with Norwegian's 737's.

Locker10a

Noxegon wrote: »

Tenger wrote: »

Doesnt the EWR service operate between the 2 JFK's? This would complement the JFK route as well as serve the EWR hub itself. Adding a 4th NYC service might be a bit much capacity, even for the biggest airline on DUB-USA.

I think it's a shame that the daytime service was the one to drop, though. It was nice to be able to fly transatlantic without horrible jet lag for a while.

Hopefully it will be one of the first to return with additions to the transatlantic fleet