Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Bussywussy

The penny pitching is going way too far, other front line departments understaffed with uncompetitive terms to industry standards , this will only last so long until enough is enough, this new CEO will probably come in, dump ground handling, install Menzies and sail back to BA

basill

His background is network planning and route analysis. In other words Kavanagh mk 2. Expect a continuation of the beatings until crunch point.

adam88

NH2013 wrote: »

The message is certainly very strong, I’m struggling to wrap my head around the fact that they must have offered multiple pilots on their days off these €5,000 offers to try and crew these flights and they all refused.

I understand and appreciate that time at home with your family can be very important especially for long haul pilots away from home for so many nights a month, but for that many pilots to turn their nose up at €5,000 just for coming in on a day off says an awful lot.

Recalling back to the Ryanair crew issues last year, I think they’re offer was along the lines of €20,000 for working 5 days off, just as a comparison.

Is it 5k for one flight back and forth. Bloody hell thats good money

Jamie2k9

Bussywussy wrote: »

The penny pitching is going way too far, other front line departments understaffed with uncompetitive terms to industry standards , this will only last so long until enough is enough, this new CEO will probably come in, dump ground handling, install Menzies and sail back to BA

Article a few weeks ago saying EI turnarounds per aircraft is 50% higher than competitors so chances are it will happen.

susan1992

Is Aer Lingus getting a business class product on their short haul called Aer Space next year? Just read the introduction of "Aer Space" on the capital market slide. Will this be something like Club Europe British Airways with a curtain and middle seat free with meal and drinks included? Hopefully it sells well. I doubt it though that it will be in all aircrafts/routes.

goingnowhere

Full business class seat on select UK/EU services when the A321 NEO LR arrives

Jack1985

goingnowhere wrote: »

Full business class seat on select UK/EU services when the A321 NEO LR arrives

Precisely, utilizing the Business Class product on first wave departures. Initial starter routes before FY19 end expected to be Amsterdam, London-Heathrow and Paris-CDG.

Tenger

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Article a few weeks ago saying EI turnarounds per aircraft is 50% higher than competitors so chances are it will happen.

I’m wondering about that figure. I flew to London last week, pretty much 90% of the EI staff I saw looked like school leavers or early 20s. (That could be my advancing age however) And having looked at the summer recruitment offers (for my kid) I assume they are on those 20 hour contracts.

Kcormahs

goingnowhere wrote: »

Full business class seat on select UK/EU services when the A321 NEO LR arrives

But also on the a320s by introducing aer space, no?

Jack1985

Tenger wrote: »

I’m wondering about that figure. I flew to London last week, pretty much 90% of the EI staff I saw looked like school leavers or early 20s. (That could be my advancing age however) And having looked at the summer recruitment offers (for my kid) I assume they are on those 20 hour contracts.

Quite a few AOG incidents with the 330 fleet too due to airbridge contact with inexperienced staff, previously you were required to have a minimum experience level before being airbridge trained thats gone now, and 20hr contract is correct.

A pinch of salt is required when reading quotes from EI management, selective information is always provided and never the full and real picture.

Kcormahs wrote: »

But also on the a320s by introducing aer space, no?

Eventually. A lot more detail to be provided however.

Kcormahs

Eventually. A lot more detail to be provided however.[/quote]

Hopefully before 2019

Ireland trains

The aer lingus short haul seats are very comfortable but some of the newer planes from vueling dont have aer lingus seats and are not that comfortable. Will EI leave the vueling seats in the plane or fit their own seats.

Jamie2k9

Tenger wrote: »

I’m wondering about that figure. I flew to London last week, pretty much 90% of the EI staff I saw looked like school leavers or early 20s. (That could be my advancing age however) And having looked at the summer recruitment offers (for my kid) I assume they are on those 20 hour contracts.

Yeah not sure how much truth is in it however if its true its hard for them to justify such a cost from a commercial prospective. They say over 12 million per year. They want a "one team" approach whatever that means and if it doesn't happen they will likely outsource going by the article.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aer-lingus-withdraws-threat-over-union-representatives-37441672.html

Bussywussy

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Tenger wrote: »

I’m wondering about that figure. I flew to London last week, pretty much 90% of the EI staff I saw looked like school leavers or early 20s. (That could be my advancing age however) And having looked at the summer recruitment offers (for my kid) I assume they are on those 20 hour contracts.

Yeah not sure how much truth is in it however if its true its hard for them to justify such a cost from a commercial prospective. They say over 12 million per year. They want a "one team" approach whatever that means and if it doesn't happen they will likely outsource going by the article.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/aer-lingus-withdraws-threat-over-union-representatives-37441672.html

Sure outsource it and it'll probably cost the 12 million in damage to aircraft from 3rd parties that don't give a crap.

Qprmeath

Tenger wrote: »

I’m wondering about that figure. I flew to London last week, pretty much 90% of the EI staff I saw looked like school leavers or early 20s. (That could be my advancing age however) And having looked at the summer recruitment offers (for my kid) I assume they are on those 20 hour contracts.

All recently arrived loading section employees are 30 hour contracts now as they couldn’t attract staff with 20 hour contracts.

joeysoap

How would a 20 hour contract work in relation to the 900 flying hours?

trellheim

All recently arrived loading section employees are 30 hour contracts now as they couldn’t attract staff with 20 hour contracts.

why are they such low hours ? How are you supposed to attract motivated staff for those kind of rewards ?

Bussywussy

trellheim wrote: »

All recently arrived loading section employees are 30 hour contracts now as they couldn’t attract staff with 20 hour contracts.

why are they such low hours ? How are you supposed to attract motivated staff for those kind of rewards ?

It's a bid to keep it understaffed...decimate it and outsource to the lowest bidder

kona

trellheim wrote: »

why are they such low hours ? How are you supposed to attract motivated staff for those kind of rewards ?

Its quite attractive if you have a bit on the side and want to keep the tax man happy.

Locker10a

joeysoap wrote: »

How would a 20 hour contract work in relation to the 900 flying hours?

The 900 hours is only a rule for pilots and cabin crew, nothing to do with ground staff

Tenger

joeysoap wrote: »

How would a 20 hour contract work in relation to the 900 flying hours?

I think this is for entry level airport positions. I had been looking at it for my college age son a few months back. But it wasnt worth signing up to such a disjointed work setup. Only guaranteed 20 hours and still having to be fully flexible. If it was 20 hours over particular 2/3 days of the week then at least he could have tried to get something for the other couple of days. He was interested because he knows of my good memories of my time in EI and friends who are still there.
Instead he was happy with getting 4 days a week in a local hotel.

ohigg84

Just slightly off topic, but this thread does relate to Aer Lingus fleet discussion.

What has happened to A330-202 EI-EWR?

LXFlyer

It hasn’t flown since the end of the summer schedule.

Remember that the winter schedule requires less aircraft.

goingnowhere

EI-EWR is in for maintenance

Presumably it will then replace EI-GEY on the IAD run, which in turn will get its interior brought up to spec

ohigg84

LXFlyer wrote: »

It hasn’t flown since the end of the summer schedule.

Remember that the winter schedule requires less aircraft.

That is true, but it seems that all other A330's are operating


LAX, DAA, GEY, DUO, DUZ, EAV, EDY, ELA, FNG, FNH, GAJ and GCF


However, I do recognise that each of these aircraft will be maintained over the winter season.


Will EWR go to Bordeaux for maintenance too?

LXFlyer

ohigg84 wrote: »

That is true, but it seems that all other A330's are operating


LAX, DAA, GEY, DUO, DUZ, EAV, EDY, ELA, FNG, FNH, GAJ and GCF


However, I do recognise that each of these aircraft will be maintained over the winter season.


Will EWR go to Bordeaux for maintenance too?

They’ll all be scheduled for maintenance in rotation during the winter.

The daily A330 requirement will decrease during the winter valley period when schedules scale back.

goingnowhere

EWR is in Dublin

Jack1985

Actually getting it's landing gear replaced at the moment !

Tenger

LXFlyer wrote: »

They’ll all be scheduled for maintenance in rotation during the winter.

The daily A330 requirement will decrease during the winter valley period when schedules scale back.

I had a look at the EI winter schedule on their website 2 weeks ago. Seems like it is pretty full up to the New Year. Schedule seems to be cut back from early January up to mid March.

LXFlyer

Tenger wrote: »

I had a look at the EI winter schedule on their website 2 weeks ago. Seems like it is pretty full up to the New Year. Schedule seems to be cut back from early January up to mid March.

Well that’s what I meant by the winter valley period (early Jan to early March). Probably should have been clearer!