Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Locker10a

zone 1 wrote: »

is there any demand for 757s to be kept on the fleet for few more years

If they were changed to all economy layout they could be very useful for busy routes like FCO, AGP and ACE, but I’d imagine they will go once all the 321s come

basill

Watch this space on the 757s. If the delivery dates on the 321LRs slide past summer then it negates their requirement and they could well be kicked out till the following year. Thats the latest rumour from past few weeks anyway. Its all up to Airbus now.

IE 222

Locker10a wrote: »

If they were changed to all economy layout they could be very useful for busy routes like FCO, AGP and ACE, but I’d imagine they will go once all the 321s come

Would there not be a case to receive some of the A321 in all economy if they do get the 12. Assuming some will be used as additional frequency on T/A routes surely business could be offered on existing flights and the extra all economy flights can target Norwegian customers and do a sun route or busier morning legs before heading to the States.

goingnowhere

All 12 likely to come fitted the same

The plan is to use the downtime between TATL to operate key flights to UK/EU in morning peak

kona

goingnowhere wrote: »

The plan is to use the downtime between TATL to operate key flights to UK/EU in morning peak

Good luck with that plan !

kona

kona wrote: »

Good luck with that plan !

Why ?

Tenger

basill wrote: »

Watch this space on the 757s. If the delivery dates on the 321LRs slide past summer then it negates their requirement and they could well be kicked out till the following year. Thats the latest rumour from past few weeks anyway. Its all up to Airbus now.

Any idea whats gong on? Is Airbus having issues with the A321LR program?
I know there is some question mark over range on paper and it’s actually viable operational range.

kona

Deleted User wrote: »

Why ?

Maintenance

Locker10a

kona wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Why ?

Maintenance

All 12 needn’t be used every morning when they come back from a transatlantic, so maintenance should be workable, EI have literally been doing this for years with the a330s! If that can work I don’t see how the same can’t be done for the 321

kona

Locker10a wrote: »

All 12 needn’t be used every morning when they come back from a transatlantic, so maintenance should be workable, EI have literally been doing this for years with the a330s! If that can work I don’t see how the same can’t be done for the 321

1 330 goes to europe and literally just about works.

kona

kona wrote: »

Maintenance

So every day 12 will require maintenance 😳 should Aer Lingus really be buying airplanes that need that amount of time off ?

kona

Deleted User wrote: »

So every day 12 will require maintenance �� should Aer Lingus really be buying airplanes that need that amount of time off ?

Yea all aircraft have maintenance programs, down to daily inspections. These are also etops which is another dimension. Thats before they break.

kona

kona wrote: »

Yea all aircraft have maintenance programs, down to daily inspections. These are also etops which is another dimension. Thats before they break.

I am aware of those programs, but you think this will stop them doing European trips ?!

L1011

Locker10a wrote: »

If they were changed to all economy layout they could be very useful for busy routes like FCO, AGP and ACE, but I’d imagine they will go once all the 321s come

It would probably be cheaper all in to get new 321 (standards) for those routes rather than wet-lease old 757s with higher fuel consumption

kona

Deleted User wrote: »

I am aware of those programs, but you think this will stop them doing European trips ?!

When there is 12 you will have a few trips but i cant see that it being 12 neos going around europe and then back via dub into the states.
Now obviously if you do your maintenace abroad wherever it may be then you could see them all over europe and going straight to the states.

LXFlyer

No one suggested that it would be all 12, but certainly three or four would be possible on rotation?

kona

LXFlyer wrote: »

No one suggested that it would be all 12, but certainly three or four would be possible on rotation?

Absoloutley, youd have the current 320 fleet able to help if there was a snag etc.

kevinandrew

Airbus is still having issues with engine suppliers on the A320neo programme, it seems the problems are taking forever to sort out and there still a larger number of "gliders" sitting around Toulouse. Might explain why there hasn't been any route announcements yet. 

I'd be looking for some compensation pretty soon if I was Aer Lingus.

Jamie2k9

kevinandrew wrote: »

Airbus is still having issues with engine suppliers on the A320neo programme, it seems the problems are taking forever to sort out and there still a larger number of "gliders" sitting around Toulouse. Might explain why there hasn't been any route announcements yet. 

I'd be looking for some compensation pretty soon if I was Aer Lingus.

Aer Lingus are not buying them from Airbus so are not entitled to it. They are leased via a third party and chances are the contract took into account delays.

EI don't announce routes until Sep-Dec period.

Edit - only 8 remain confirmed.

Kcormahs

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

kevinandrew wrote: »

Airbus is still having issues with engine suppliers on the A320neo programme, it seems the problems are taking forever to sort out and there still a larger number of "gliders" sitting around Toulouse. Might explain why there hasn't been any route announcements yet. 

I'd be looking for some compensation pretty soon if I was Aer Lingus.

Aer Lingus are not buying them from Airbus so are not entitled to it. They are leased via a third party and chances are the contract took into account delays.

EI don't announce routes until Sep-Dec period.

Edit - only 8 remain confirmed.

Only 8 have been confirmed by the Airline. It’s annoying that people keep saying 12 when no such announcement has been made. It’s a possibility that they are looking at, yes. Not a confirmation.

Tenger

Kcormahs wrote: »

Only 8 have been confirmed by the Airline. It’s annoying that people keep saying 12 when no such announcement has been made. It’s a possibility that they are looking at, yes. Not a confirmation.

Well the airline themselves noted their plan (as of last Nov) to be 12 in service by Summer 2021.
The original order was for 7, this was then increased to 8.
I assume the other 4 are options or they plan to lease them.

Kcormahs

kona wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

I am aware of those programs, but you think this will stop them doing European trips ?!

When there is 12 you will have a few trips but i cant see that it being 12 neos going around europe and then back via dub into the states.
Now obviously if you do your maintenace abroad wherever it may be then you could see them all over europe and going straight to the states.

Would any of those ‘12’ stay overnighting in Europe/UK and only fly back in the morning or will there be enough stands in Dublin for them all?

john boye

Kcormahs wrote: »

Would any of those ‘12’ stay overnighting in Europe/UK and only fly back in the morning or will there be enough stands in Dublin for them all?

I'd have thought they'd mostly be returning from the US at night

kona

Kcormahs wrote: »

Would any of those ‘12’ stay overnighting in Europe/UK and only fly back in the morning or will there be enough stands in Dublin for them all?

Id have to think that theres a good chance some wont be based in dublin or shannon or cork.

Kcormahs

kona wrote: »

Kcormahs wrote: »

Would any of those ‘12’ stay overnighting in Europe/UK and only fly back in the morning or will there be enough stands in Dublin for them all?

Id have to think that theres a good chance some wont be based in dublin or shannon or cork.

You mean like the two 320s based in LHR that operate the early morning flights to Dublin?

kona

Kcormahs wrote: »

You mean like the two 320s based in LHR that operate the early morning flights to Dublin?

Yea that kind of idea id say. Except they may not even come near ireland.

Tenger

kona wrote: »

Yea that kind of idea id say. Except they may not even come near ireland.

Well recent media statements from EI chiefs and Willie Walsh threatened this, personally I think this is just a tactic to force the DAA to address the congestion at Dublin.
However I can’t see how they can solve a problem of not enough stands at peak time combined with bad airfield layout which increases taxi and tow times. Especially when the EI hanger is pretty much the furthest position from T2 possible.



In terms of route announcements, I think we may hear all the rumors soon enough. They usually start at this time each year for official announcement in November.

kevinandrew

kona wrote: »

Kcormahs wrote: »

You mean like the two 320s based in LHR that operate the early morning flights to Dublin?

Yea that kind of idea id say. Except they may not even come near ireland.

In which case they wouldn't be Aer Lingus' aircraft anyway. Far more likely to be under the LEVEL brand.

IE 222

Kcormahs wrote: »

Would any of those ‘12’ stay overnighting in Europe/UK and only fly back in the morning or will there be enough stands in Dublin for them all?

These planes will be earning money over night doing T/A crossings.

If turn around times can be cut and adding early morning departures from the US east coast as well its possible EI could get up to 30 legs a day from the 12 craft.

JCX BXC

IE 222 wrote: »

These planes will be earning money over night doing T/A crossings.

If turn around times can be cut and adding early morning departures from the US east coast as well its possible EI could get up to 30 legs a day from the 12 craft.

What happens when there's a delay of say 8 hours in JFK due weather and the backlog isn't cleared for days or there's several cancellations? The current system of a little slack helps maintain on-time performance, jamming the schedule will cause mayhem in my view.