Neill Blomkamp's Alien Sequel Concept

TheDoc

Mickeroo wrote: »

I think Blompkamp is more likely to go the Cameron route rather than ape the original film. He loves his mechs and guns too much to go for a claustrophobic horror movie over a sci-fi action movie with horror elements. He's all about the hardware. I also think the studio would have hired somebody else if they didn't want a more action orientated film.

Can't say I'd have a problem with that. While I love both films and appreciate their differences, I always lean towards Aliens as my favorite due to the more action orientated setting.

Mickeroo

TheDoc wrote: »

Can't say I'd have a problem with that. While I love both films and appreciate their differences, I always lean towards Aliens as my favorite due to the more action orientated setting.

Same, though I would rather he resurrect his Halo movie than do this tbh!

Belial

Lol @ 'rewriting history'

Anyway, almost every long-running horror series has done this already (had sequels that disregard prior sequels). It's completely normal.

Chris_Heilong

An example would be Evil Dead 2 being a redone version of Evil Dead 1.

Belial

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Halloween 7 ignores 4-6 and follows 2 (3 is already its own thing)

Exorcist 3 ignores 2

Jaws 4 ignores 3

Elm Street 3 ignores 2; 6 ignores 2-5 (I think)

Texas Chainsaw 3 ignores 2; 4 ignores 2 & 3; 7 ignores 2-4 (5 & 6 are their own thing)

Godzilla 1984 ignores all the previous sequels and follows Godzilla 1954

Friday the 13th, with the exception of the Tommy Jarvis arc (4-6), I'm pretty sure every sequel ignores every other one

LaGlisse

Genuinely can't understand people getting worked up about 2 awful films being ignored.
Loved district 9 but will reserve judgment on this, been let down too many times

happysunnydays

.ak wrote: »

Hmm, whilst obviously Alien 3 and 4 were weak films (I actually didn't think 3 was THAT bad, it had a lot of good things about it and it did keep the feel of the first movie with plenty of atmosphere and an interesting setting), I really don't like the idea of completely ignoring them. It's fine if you're making comic book movies, as there's different story arcs or universes, but this just seems... weird. You can't unwrite history just cuz you don't like it.

Maybe 3 and 4 were cyrosleep dreams?

Incidentally, I wish Weaver wasn't in it. I actually don't like her. They made it work in the first 2 films as she's still very much frightened about the whole scenarios, but I feel as an older woman they'll do the whole gung-ho thing and it'll just be cheesy.

You know what, if you don't like the idea then don't go! You have your timeline and you can stay living in that world.
For those who hated Alien3&$, our time has come, there is a hell of a lot of us, huge market, more of us than you ALien3/$ lovers anyhow.
Now Blomcamp is giving us the REAL sequel to Aliens and creating the 3/$ haters timeline as we wanted. Maybe us haters will get a fourth film to rival the lovers timeline. The quality might even surpass 3/$ and then you be mad jealous for not jumping ship. Why didn't I hate 3/$ like the diehards? Those guys who grew up in the 80's and live for the franchise and have waited three decades for the REAL sequel.
Then you slate Sigourney Weaver, the heroine of the piece, you are no fan. Alien is Sigourney Weaver. Don't piss on our parade mate!
Filmakers can do whatever they want, its the movies...not history or reality!

.ak

Belial wrote: »

Lol @ 'rewriting history'

Anyway, almost every long-running horror series has done this already (had sequels that disregard prior sequels). It's completely normal.

It's not really the same though, is it? One's a long running cheap horror genre flick and the other is cult classic sci-fi story arc?

.ak

happysunnydays wrote: »

You know what, if you don't like the idea then don't go! You have your timeline and you can stay living in that world.
For those who hated Alien3&$, our time has come, there is a hell of a lot of us, huge market, more of us than you ALien3/$ lovers anyhow.
Now Blomcamp is giving us the REAL sequel to Aliens and creating the 3/$ haters timeline as we wanted. Maybe us haters will get a fourth film to rival the lovers timeline. The quality might even surpass 3/$ and then you be mad jealous for not jumping ship. Why didn't I hate 3/$ like the diehards? Those guys who grew up in the 80's and live for the franchise and have waited three decades for the REAL sequel.
Then you slate Sigourney Weaver, the heroine of the piece, you are no fan. Alien is Sigourney Weaver. Don't piss on our parade mate!
Filmakers can do whatever they want, its the movies...not history or reality!

Don't really understand that? I'm hardly here stamping my feet like a trekkie who's beloved series is being torn apart. I'm not really that bothered by it, and like I said, I really didn't like 3 or 4, but as pixelburp hit the nail on the head; it's an incredibly cheap thing to do. Imagine for Star Wars EP7 they decided to ignore Ep 1-3 because they're ****e? Why not just do an Alien movie without Weaver instead of trying to reboot her character midway through the series? The star of the movies has always been the Xenomorph for me, Weaver is just a conduit for the fear it portrays, although I do take pixelburp's analysis of her character and how it's built from 1-3 on board.

For me, re-casting Weaver is akin to what they wanted to do in 4 - they're trying to make some sort of legacy out of her character that's bigger than it needs to be.

I'm incredibly excited about the movie, and I am a massive fan of the series, more than you'll know anyway.

Infact, I don't think your read my post at all, maybe try that and chill out?

happysunnydays

.ak wrote: »

Why not just do an Alien movie without Weaver instead of trying to reboot her character midway through the series

...they did, they made two of them! They're even worse than 3/4. :pac:
I'm always on the chill pill buddy, no hard feelings eh? Just a bit of friendly banter between Alien fans, we all want what's right in the end.

Joeface

http://www.gamesradar.com/neill-blomkamps-alien-sequel-wont-undo-alien-3-or-alien-resurrection/


“My favourites are the first two movies,” says Blomkamp to AlloCine. “So I want to make a film that’s connected to Alien and Aliens. That’s my goal. I’m not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien: Resurrection, I just want it to be connected to Alien and Aliens"

oh so he is doing what ..............Fast n Furious deal were 4,5,6,7 all happen between 2 & 3 HA HA

Belial

.ak wrote: »

It's not really the same though, is it? One's a long running cheap horror genre flick and the other is cult classic sci-fi story arc?

Which one? I gave you seven examples. And Alien is just as much a horror series and just as long-running as any of them.

Belial

Joeface wrote: »

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“My favourites are the first two movies,” says Blomkamp to AlloCine. “So I want to make a film that’s connected to Alien and Aliens. That’s my goal. I’m not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien: Resurrection, I just want it to be connected to Alien and Aliens"

oh so he is doing what ..............Fast n Furious deal were 4,5,6,7 all happen between 2 & 3 HA HA

He also told The Guardian that he would "categorically" rule out any return for the cloned Ripley. So it's definitely not picking up after Resurrection. And there's no room in between Aliens and Alien 3 for another story (they go into hypersleep at the end of Aliens and Hicks and Newt die in hypersleep and Ripley ends up on Fiorina). So what he means when he says he doesn't want to "undo" Alien 3 & 4 is that he has nothing against them and that they'll still be there for anyone who likes them, but he's still going to ignore them and do an alternate sequel to Aliens.

Arciphel

Maybe he is going to do a sequel to Aliens, and at the end of the Blomkamp movie Ripley agrees to have her memory wiped by the company and is put back into hypersleep on the Sulaco, that way they can explain away Ripley turning up on Fiorina 161 on the escape pod and the Sulaco being destroyed by fire. Maybe the bodies of Newt & Hicks that were in the escape pod at the start of Alien 3 are clones...

Belial

Some other people are speculating that he's going to incorporate the plot from some videogame that retcons Hicks' death.

Blomkamp isn't a complete hack though, so I kind of doubt it.

Also Weaver said this film would conclude Ripley's story.

happysunnydays

Belial wrote: »

Also Weaver said this film would conclude Ripley's story.

Well the Sigorney Weaver version cause they are going to reboot ALien in the future with a new actress, shiny new production and big time VFX.
Stop, rewind, play is how the Hollywood boys like it! I'd do it too if it put a few Ferrari in the garage, that's how the real world plays the game!

Adamantium

happysunnydays wrote: »

Well the Sigorney Weaver version cause they are going to reboot ALien in the future with a new actress, shiny new production and big time VFX.
Stop, rewind, play is how the Hollywood boys like it! I'd do it too if it put a few Ferrari in the garage, that's how the real world plays the game!

I've always been amazed it how similar Mary Elizabeth and Sigourney Weaver look. She was great in the Thing prequel.




Lena Headey would be my choice for it though.

happysunnydays

Adamantium wrote: »

Lena Headey would be my choice for it though.

Tough as old boots :pac: good choice!

Tony EH

This is stupid idea.

Newt and Hicks are dead. Get over it FFS.

Also, why the hell does Sigourney Weaver HAVE to be in every bloody aliens film? If ever there was a franchise that didn't need a central star it's the Aliens franchise.

She's an OAP now.

Tony EH

Belial wrote: »

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Halloween 7 ignores 4-6 and follows 2 (3 is already its own thing)

Exorcist 3 ignores 2

Jaws 4 ignores 3

Elm Street 3 ignores 2; 6 ignores 2-5 (I think)

Texas Chainsaw 3 ignores 2; 4 ignores 2 & 3; 7 ignores 2-4 (5 & 6 are their own thing)

Godzilla 1984 ignores all the previous sequels and follows Godzilla 1954

Friday the 13th, with the exception of the Tommy Jarvis arc (4-6), I'm pretty sure every sequel ignores every other one

...and almost all of them are crap.

Adamantium

He is just going about this in a PC way so as to not hurt fans of everything we received after Aliens, though mostly not to offend and embarass studios execs that funded them and he no doubt bumps into.
He is going to just make his movie take place after Aliens and make it as though it is 1988 and there never was a A3.

The Sarah Connor Chronicles ignored T3 and ended up being one of the best things that series has ever produced and was in the spirit and tone of T1/T2 and expanded it in the right ways. Comparable to BSG as one of the best sci-fi's series of the last 20 years.

Belial

Tony EH wrote: »

...and almost all of them are crap.

That might be relevant if the broad consensus on Aliens 3, 4, AvP, AvP 2 & Prometheus wasn't also that they are lacklustre/crap.

There's nothing at risk here.

He's not disregarding any treasured continuity, only a continuity that people have done nothing but whinge about for 20+ years. And now they're whinging about this too.

happysunnydays

Tony EH wrote: »

This is stupid idea.

Newt and Hicks are dead. Get over it FFS.

Also, why the hell does Sigourney Weaver HAVE to be in every bloody aliens film? If ever there was a franchise that didn't need a central star it's the Aliens franchise.
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Haha Tony, Blomcamp is going to make our sequel film. It's going to be super awesome, much better than your favourite ...Fincher's version, you get over it! :pac:
You'lll get a new Ripley on the reboot in a few years, you won't like that either though will you? Do something different then I hear you say..they did Tony, they did....it's called Prometheus, hope you enjoy!

SirLemonhead

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

An example would be Evil Dead 2 being a redone version of Evil Dead 1.

Evil Dead 2 is a proper sequel to Evil Dead, not a remake.

Adamantium

Wasn't James Cameron was supposed to write and direct and produce and Ridley Scott to produce an Alien 5 with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sigourney Weaver as co leads

http://celluloidandcigaretteburns.blogspot.ie/2012/06/james-cameron-wanted-to-direct-alien-5.html

Tony EH

happysunnydays wrote: »

Haha Tony, Blomcamp is going to make our sequel film. It's going to be super awesome, much better than your favourite ...Fincher's version, you get over it! :pac:
You'lll get a new Ripley on the reboot in a few years, you won't like that either though will you? Do something different then I hear you say..they did Tony, they did....it's called Prometheus, hope you enjoy!

And that was a bucket of shite too.

:pac:

Chris_Heilong

SirLemonhead wrote: »

Evil Dead 2 is a proper sequel to Evil Dead, not a remake.

I disagree, its a retelling with different events to the first. Thats why things from the first film never happened, for example all of Ashes friends from the first never existed anymore also ash did not know there was a creature down the cellar door even though he had experienced it already in Evil Dead 1.

They basically retcon the entire first film.

SirLemonhead

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I disagree, its a retelling with different events to the first. Thats why things from the first film never happened, for example all of Ashes friends from the first never existed anymore also ash did not know there was a creature down the cellar door even though he had experienced it already in Evil Dead 1.

They basically retcon the entire first film.

Well, you're wrong. They weren't able to use any footage from the first film to recap for the start of the second, so they reshot a simpler recap and went from there.. Evil Dead 2 starts with Ash flying through the air and hitting the tree, which happens because he's attacked at the very end of the first film (the chasecam through the cabin)

Sam Raimi has stated it's a sequel, not a remake, so there isn't really any way to argue otherwise, unless you want to say that's your opinion...

Tony EH

Actually, I'm pretty sure he says different on the DVD commentary track. Not sure though. 'Evil Dead II' had more to do with Raimi losing the rights to the first picture and doing the second to make a few bob and "do it right" as it were.

It works out as sort of a remake and a sequel.

To me there's only on film in the franchise and that that's 'Evil Dead II'.

Joeface

Michael Biehn Confirmed For Blomkamp's Aliens
Hicks' return is official


http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=43742

I mean how could he say no

pixelburp

At the risk of being captain contrarian, am I the only one disappointed by this news? The discussion here was made around the legitimacy of tinkering with a backstory, if it matters at all, yet to me retconning a character's death just for the fans feels cheap and a bit disrespectful to the existing narrative. It shouldn't matter how loved a character is, if they die in the fiction, they should stay dead imo. Anything else strays into the realm of comicbook fiction writing *shudder*

Now, Hicks' death has already been retconned in Aliens: Colonial Marines you might say, but holy jeepers it was laughably executed and more than a bit fan-fiction'ish.

If anyone wants me, I'll be the grump in the corner

Joeface

No Pixelburp your not the grump in the corner .

Everyone has there reservations about this movie , The concept is good but all will be in the execution .
I feel it will probably just be on par with Alien3 and no better. too much time has passed and there will be too much CGI used. Neill Blomkamp seems to have great ideas but is not able polish them.

I do want to see it be made. but i am never going to disregard 3 and Resurrection . They are poor but part of my guilty pleasures

Kiith

If they do it right, i couldn't care less how the explain Hicks being alive. Hell, make Alien 3 and 4 be a bad dream for all i care :P

Joeface

Kiith wrote: »

If they do it right, i couldn't care less how the explain Hicks being alive. Hell, make Alien 3 and 4 be a bad dream for all i care :P

Great all I can see now is Bobby Ewing shower return ....it was all a bad dream .

Kidchameleon

Watched the four movies again over the paddys weekend. My first time watching the assembly cut of A3. I have to say its a MUCH better film than the theatrical cut. It would be an insult to the great performances in that film for it to be disregarded. Its a shame newt and hicks died but ffs its an alien film, everyone dies except Ripley, deal with it. Resurrection is like a comic book. Seems really out of place, sort of like a spinoff but sure feck it, it happened 200 years after A3 so it has no impact.

Tony EH

pixelburp wrote: »

At the risk of being captain contrarian, am I the only one disappointed by this news? The discussion here was made around the legitimacy of tinkering with a backstory, if it matters at all, yet to me retconning a character's death just for the fans feels cheap and a bit disrespectful to the existing narrative. It shouldn't matter how loved a character is, if they die in the fiction, they should stay dead imo. Anything else strays into the realm of comicbook fiction writing *shudder*

Now, Hicks' death has already been retconned in Aliens: Colonial Marines you might say, but holy jeepers it was laughably executed and more than a bit fan-fiction'ish.

If anyone wants me, I'll be the grump in the corner

That feckin corner's taken, get lost! :P

No, I agree completely. I think this is stupid idea that stinks of nerddom over taking reality.

Hicks is dead. People die all the time. It's bloody ridiculous bringing back characters to squeeze money out of franchises (I'm looking at you Ripley as well :mad: ). Frankly the entire Aliens series should have died with 'Alien 3'.

I have no faith that this entry is going to be any use either. Blomkamp has one good film under his belt and that had some major flaws too and everything else he's done has the same feel to it. So, more than likely, we can expect 'District 9' or 'Elysium' with Xneomorphs, which doesn't fill me with much excitement, I have to say.

Tony EH

Kiith wrote: »

If they do it right, i couldn't care less how the explain Hicks being alive. Hell, make Alien 3 and 4 be a bad dream for all i care :P

Ahem, that wouldn't be "doing it right".

Tony EH

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Watched the four movies again over the paddys weekend. My first time watching the assembly cut of A3. I have to say its a MUCH better film than the theatrical cut. It would be an insult to the great performances in that film for it to be disregarded. Its a shame newt and hicks died but ffs its an alien film, everyone dies except Ripley, deal with it. Resurrection is like a comic book. Seems really out of place, sort of like a spinoff but sure feck it, it happened 200 years after A3 so it has no impact.

The "assembly cut" is the only way to watch 'Alien 3', which is a sorely underrated film IMHO, even in its original version. It really isn't half as bad as people make it out to be.

'Alien Resurrection' on the other hand is a steaming pile of pus that should never have seen the light of day. Even the AVP films were better than that nonsense. A terrible, terrible film.

OU812

I'm thinking they should cast someone like Juno Temple as Newt, similar looks, and the character would be aged appropriately.

Alien 3 is actually a decent well aged movie

Tony EH

It won't be Carrie Henn, that's for sure...

BAM!

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/e/e2/Carrie_Henn.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141025225029

Burgo

Does anyone know whose writing the script?

pixelburp

Joeface wrote: »

Michael Biehn Confirmed For Blomkamp's Aliens
Hicks' return is official

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=43742

I mean how could he say no

Empire pulled that article as apparently the source was an unofficial social media of Michael Biehn's and not belonging to the man himself. Just shows how quickly a hoax can gain traction

Joeface

I apologizes for my part in promoting it here

Zubeneschamali

pixelburp wrote: »

to me retconning a character's death just for the fans feels cheap and a bit disrespectful to the existing narrative

I already had no respect for Alien Cubed, at least until later movies made it look better in retrospect.

Bipolar Joe

We all agree that Resurrection is awful, but can we all just acknowledge how fantastic that shot Ripley made with the basketball is?

Frank Bullitt

Tony EH wrote: »

The "assembly cut" is the only way to watch 'Alien 3', which is a sorely underrated film IMHO, even in its original version. It really isn't half as bad as people make it out to be.

'Alien Resurrection' on the other hand is a steaming pile of pus that should never have seen the light of day. Even the AVP films were better than that nonsense. A terrible, terrible film.

Never heard of the assembly cut, must give it a DL and a look, sounds very different.

As for todays new, excellent.

Frank Bullitt

Watched the Assembly Cut of Alien 3 last night, its a totally different movie.

Much more enjoyable.

Wedwood

Alien 3 was a well meaning attempt to return to the 'haunted house in space' premise the original movie was. It misjudged people's reaction to killing off Hicks and Newt, which took away from the heroics of Aliens.

This new movie is fan service taken to a new level, but also reinstates the opportunity get the franchise back on track after the slow decline that set in after Alien 3.

It's a brave decision to do this, but it also feels like the right decision.

TheDoc

Is there a difference between "Assembly cut" and "Directors" cut?

I've got the Alien Anthology on Bluray, not sure of top of my head what version is in it. But it contains Directors and Theatrical for all of them which you choose on the menu.

Oddly enough watched them all in sequence last year and only say Alien Directors cut for the first time and had some really good stuff.

So just wondering if there is yet ANOTHER Alien 3 version I havnt seen.

shazzerman

TheDoc wrote: »

Is there a difference between "Assembly cut" and "Directors" cut?

I've got the Alien Anthology on Bluray, not sure of top of my head what version is in it. But it contains Directors and Theatrical for all of them which you choose on the menu.

Oddly enough watched them all in sequence last year and only say Alien Directors cut for the first time and had some really good stuff.

So just wondering if there is yet ANOTHER Alien 3 version I havnt seen.

That set contains the 1992 Theatrical Version and the 2003 Special Edition (Restored Workprint Version). The 2003 version is commonly referred to as the "Assembly Cut".