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ISIS Victim Kayla Mueller Sent This Letter To Her Family Before She Was Killed. :(
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Pretty nasty thing to say. From everything I have read, she was just trying to help people. Its really pathetic to take a shot at someone who was murdered by ISIS, and imho isn't a million miles away from victim blaming.
To a certain extent I agree with you, the poster hasn't been very diplomatic in his criticism of Ms. Mueller. However, he does raise an interesting point about extremely naive people (not just Americans) wandering off to war zones on some misguided altruistic mission.
Ideally, anyone thinking of volunteering to work in a war zone needs to be briefed on the cold blooded reality of what will happen in they are captured by the enemy. That includes watching videos and slideshows of how they can expect to be treated. And after that, if they still insist on going, they will sign a 'no rescue' waiver in the event of them being captured. So they are free to choose, but now they understand the full consequences.0 -
......fairly sure she wasn't actually there to "save" IS.
Does it strike you as appropriate to fire more venom at the womans politics than her killers?
She was kidnapped after she left a center where she was working with MSF. Some savage who knew she was American and an infidel was watching her and betrayed her to whoever took her. Her selflessness in helping the Syrian people counted for nothing. She was probably sold on to ISIS and the b*st*rds killed her.
The only solution to ISIS is to send in ground troops backed up by air power and slaughter every last one of them.0 -
Why does anyone think Kayla didn't understand the consequences? Could we not just as easily assume that she fully understood the risks but chose to go anyway.
Honestly nobody here knows anything about her .Speculating whether she was naive or not isn't any of our fecking business.0 -
DavidRamsay99 wrote: »Let's get one thing straight. ISIS killed her. They either murdered her themselves or killed her by keeping her prisoner as a human shield in Raqqa so that she died in a Jordanian airstrike. She DID NOT DESERVE TO DIE.
Her politics sucked and led to her being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Her death should be a wake up calls. The Islamic terrorists want to kill us ALL regardless of differing views in the West regarding capitalism, world hunger, religion, gay rights, Palestine/Israel, American imperialism/exceptionalism, climate change/hoax, abortion/pro-life etc etc etc.
They see us as infidels and they want to kill us all.
Poor sweet innocent cute naive Kayla was indoctrinated with the usual left wing crap and bought into the propaganda against Israel and she probably opposed the war on terror and the rest of the left wing shopping list. She probably opposed Bush, loved Gore's Inconvenient Truth, voted for Obama and then was shocked he was a war President etc etc.
She went to Syria for good reasons to help innocent Syrian people and she deserves to be called a hero.
The savages in ISIS saw her as an infidel and nothing more.
I don't want to imagine what those b*st*rds did to her before she died.
If they allowed her to live she was never coming home - probably she would have ended her days as a sex slave and breeding mare for some guy named Ahmed or Rashid or Mahmoud in some dirty poor one goat village and forced to dress in a tent.
Her contemporaries on American campuses who loudly oppose American military action against terrorists and probably oppose military recruitment on campus are just like her. Naive cocooned from the reality of a brutal world and who think non violence and talking and cultural understanding and hugs will bring about world peace.
Today Obama is seek authorization to expanded the war against ISIS citing the deaths of American hostages including Kayla.
Those very same college kids who share Mueller's impossibly twee world view will oppose it of course.
They don't seem to realize or want to know that if ISIS were to arrive on their college campus their severed heads and crucified bodies would be quickly decorating the place.
yeah. did that old rant about nothing get it all off your chest? lets see. what was wrong with her politics. what is wrong with opposing the war on terror considering it has failed and caused more terrorism then ever before. what is wrong with not liking bush. what "usual left wing crap" what "propaganda" against israel. there is no propaganda against israel. what israel has done, the raping slaughtering and stealing and eradication, is all there to see. do you think slaughtering left right and centre is going to bring peace? because from what i can see, its not happening. its not working. nothing wrong with cultural understanding or suggesting non violence. only extremists have an issue with it. and, isis won't be arriving on college campuses in americaticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.
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end of the road wrote: »of course he is . don't you know, if you don't support israel or the failed war on terror your obviously a member or supporter of terrorism
Are you for real? Have you read the Hamas Charter? They want to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews not just in Israel but all over the world once their Islamic Caliphate is established.
The reason the war on terror is failing is because left liberal idiots who are dogmatically opposed to war and think no Americans should come home in body bags voted Obama into office and he pulled out all the troops from Iraq.
The rise of ISIS is directly linked to the ease off of military pressure on Sunni jihadists in Iraq which fueled the insurgency in Syria and has emboldened Islamic extremists across the Middle East who jumped at the opportunity provided by the Arab Spring which has brought their dream of a pan Middle Eastern Islamic Caliphate closer.
We now face the serious possibility of full scale Islamic insurgencies on the streets of European cities with the attack on Charlie Hebdo a state of what is to come if we do not fight Islamic fundamentalism and Islamic terrorism.0 -
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well, at least they triedDavidRamsay99 wrote: »Kayla Mueller's naive hippy dippy b*llsh*t politics were the reason she was in the Middle East.
She reminds me of those naive left wing save the world types in the movie the Green Inferno by horror director Eli Roth who travel to the Amazon to save a lost tribe from logging companies.
Their plane crashes and they encounter the tribe they want to save who tear them apart and eat them.ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.
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they will not sign, or be expected to sign a no rescue waver. it is our duty to rescue these people if at all possible by whatever means, they are entitled to be rescued.Boring username wrote: »To a certain extent I agree with you, the poster hasn't been very diplomatic in his criticism of Ms. Mueller. However, he does raise an interesting point about extremely naive people (not just Americans) wandering off to war zones on some misguided altruistic mission.
Ideally, anyone thinking of volunteering to work in a war zone needs to be briefed on the cold blooded reality of what will happen in they are captured by the enemy. That includes watching videos and slideshows of how they can expect to be treated. And after that, if they still insist on going, they will sign a 'no rescue' waiver in the event of them being captured. So they are free to choose, but now they understand the full consequences.ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.
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DavidRamsay99 wrote: »She reminds me of those naive left wing save the world types in the movie the Green Inferno by horror director Eli Roth who travel to the Amazon to save a lost tribe from logging companies.
Their plane crashes and they encounter the tribe they want to save who tear them apart and eat them.
Your basing your world view on an Eli Roth film!?
P.S. Would it be too much to ask you to spoiler tags in future0 -
end of the road wrote: »they will not sign, or be expected to sign a no rescue waver. it is our duty to rescue these people if at all possible by whatever means, they are entitled to be rescued.
By any means necessary?. So a woman disgusted by war who wants to help a few kids should be rescued by military resulting in more deaths of the people she trying to help.
If the Yanks used any means necessary to rescue her you would be the first on here moaning about the use of force. Please logout. You continuously embarrass yourself here everyday0 -
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DavidRamsay99 wrote: »Are you for real? Have you read the Hamas Charter? They want to destroy Israel
well, yes i am for real and i've read the charter, and the destruction of israel isn't in it. mind you, when your family and fellow citizens are being slaughtered left right and centre so an occupier can steal your land or your not of the right stock, its kind of not surprising that people will want to destroy the occupying country carrying out such isis style brutality.DavidRamsay99 wrote: »and kill all the Jews not just in Israel but all over the world once their Islamic Caliphate is established.
yeah. i'm sureDavidRamsay99 wrote: »The reason the war on terror is failing is because left liberal idiots who are dogmatically opposed to war and think no Americans should come home in body bags voted Obama into office and he pulled out all the troops from Iraq.
no, it failed because bombing the **** out of places was never going to work, all it would do is give extremists more ammunition and support. like bloody sunday gave the IRA large scale support and ammunition to continue. Obama pulled out the troops because he realized no more could be done and that the mission had failed.DavidRamsay99 wrote: »The rise of ISIS is directly linked to the ease off of military pressure on Sunni jihadists in Iraq which fueled the insurgency in Syria and has emboldened Islamic extremists across the Middle East who jumped at the opportunity provided by the Arab Spring which has brought their dream of a pan Middle Eastern Islamic Caliphate closer.
no, it is directly because of the toppling of governments who kept these governments stable.DavidRamsay99 wrote: »We now face the serious possibility of full scale Islamic insurgencies on the streets of European cities with the attack on Charlie Hebdo a state of what is to come if we do not fight Islamic fundamentalism and Islamic terrorism.
yeah, i'm sure.ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.
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no . i don't. but this is coming from the one who thinks nobody cares about anything and only does for selfies or likes on facebook yada yada yadaBy any means necessary?. So a woman disgusted by war who wants to help a few kids should be rescued by military resulting in more deaths of the people she trying to help.
If the Yanks used any means necessary to rescue her you would be the first on here moaning about the use of force. Please logout. You continuously embarrass yourself here everydayticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.
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As tragic as this story is which it is, when i first read it i thought thank god she died in an airstrike.
I mean look how they treat their hostages? They have executed several by beheading and recently burnt the Jordanian pilot alive in a cage.
She is an American and a women. Those bastards would probably have seen here as a jackpot catch and would loved to have murdered her in such a brutal fashion to ensure the US and all of the western world are outraged and paying attention.
Its quite obvious why they murder people the way they do. They want people in US and elsewhere to become exhausted with US involvement in the middle east. Typically the response is for Americans to chant USA and go all out against their enemies for vengeance. However, predictably people in the west are growing tired of US military involvement in the middle east so the hope is likely that people in the US will instead put pressure on their government to refrain from further or any involvement in the Middle east.
Prior to burning the pilot alive, many Jordanians were protesting against the Monarchy there for getting involved the fight against ISIS after the pilot was captured. That opinion swayed then the other way after it was revealed how they killed him and that they were just toying cruelly with the Jordanian people to bargain for his life after already having killed him.
If she did not die in an airstrike, what were the odds she was not going to die in a fate similar to those who were already brutally murdered by ISIS? At least her family were spared the spectacle of their daughter being murdered in such a brutal way and distributed on the internet.0 -
end of the road wrote: »well, at least they tried
Unfortunately Obama was elected on the same principle.
His stupidity has led to the rise of ISIS in Iraq following his pull out of US troops.
German, Japan and South Korea still had US troops on their soil decades after war ended.
The surge led by General Petreus which Obama opposed during his President campaign worked and violence in Iraq plummeted dramatically and the Iraqi Army trained by the US had taken control of most of the county.
The pull out led to the collapse in Iraqi morale and emboldened ISIS.
The failure of Obama to forsee the rise of Islamic extremists in Libya and his failure to react to the murder by Islamists of the US ambassador further emboldened the international Islamic terror network.
The only thing terrorists understand is strength and weakness.
Militarily they are weak and they retreat when met with resolute leadership and military force.
They advance when morale collapses and defeatists run.
Lack of American support led to the collapse of the Iraqi military when they came up against ISIS just as the South Vietnamese military collapsed in the face of the North Vietnamese advance in 1975 that captured Saigon follow a similar disastrous military surrender by the US.
Just as the presence of ISIS is in danger of causing mass slaughter in the past the Khmer Rouge slaughtered the people of Cambodia.
Ditherers like Jimmy Carter did nothing to save the people of Cambodia and another ditherer in chief Obama has allowed ISIS to be on the brink of doing the same.0 -
DavidRamsay99 wrote: »Just as the presence of ISIS is in danger of causing mass slaughter in the past the Khmer Rouge slaughtered the people of Cambodia.
Ditherers like Jimmy Carter did nothing to save the people of Cambodia and another ditherer in chief Obama has allowed ISIS to be on the brink of doing the same.
I think you'll find it was the Vietnamese who deposed the Khmer Rouge, they then withdrew from Cambodia (so much for the Domino theory)
By the by the US supported the Khmer Rouge.0 -
DavidRamsay99 wrote: »Unfortunately Obama was elected on the same principle.
His stupidity has led to the rise of ISIS in Iraq following his pull out of US troops.
German, Japan and South Korea still had US troops on their soil decades after war ended.
The surge led by General Petreus which Obama opposed during his President campaign worked and violence in Iraq plummeted dramatically and the Iraqi Army trained by the US had taken control of most of the county.
The pull out led to the collapse in Iraqi morale and emboldened ISIS.
The failure of Obama to forsee the rise of Islamic extremists in Libya and his failure to react to the murder by Islamists of the US ambassador further emboldened the international Islamic terror network.
The only thing terrorists understand is strength and weakness.
Militarily they are weak and they retreat when met with resolute leadership and military force.
They advance when morale collapses and defeatists run.
Lack of American support led to the collapse of the Iraqi military when they came up against ISIS just as the South Vietnamese military collapsed in the face of the North Vietnamese advance in 1975 that captured Saigon follow a similar disastrous military surrender by the US.
Just as the presence of ISIS is in danger of causing mass slaughter in the past the Khmer Rouge slaughtered the people of Cambodia.
Ditherers like Jimmy Carter did nothing to save the people of Cambodia and another ditherer in chief Obama has allowed ISIS to be on the brink of doing the same.
Genuinely surprised by how ill-informed all this is.0 -
ireland.man wrote: »Genuinely surprised by how ill-informed all this is.
Just watch Hostel and Hostel 2, everything will become clear.0 -
Are you trying to make some link between the Palestinian people and movements and IS?
Hey! Look, it's Nodin! The champion of the Palestinian people...A bunch of nasty victim blaming lies. Utterly pathetic to attack this Woman in this manner, and quite frankly disgusting and typically of the far right part of boards.
So basically, if your a victim of ISIS and the far right part of boards doesn't like your politics, they will engage in victim blaming. Wow, a new low right there.My name is URL wrote: »You sound insane. If you're that worried about ISIS killing us all why not become a mercenary and do something about it?
Also, who are you a re-reg of?end of the road wrote: »and the jewish terrorists of the israely government military and their supporters don't care whether your useful or not, if your not of the right stock or your on land they want to steal, expect to be eradicated and your homes demolished
And his pals... where one goes the rest follow, like clockwork...0 -
Seems totally false but you never know really.0
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end of the road wrote: »well, yes i am for real and i've read the charter, and the destruction of israel isn't in it. mind you, when your family and fellow citizens are being slaughtered left right and centre so an occupier can steal your land or your not of the right stock, its kind of not surprising that people will want to destroy the occupying country carrying out such isis style brutality.
Hamas openly call for the destruction of Israel and the mass extermination of the Jews.yeah. i'm sure{/QUOTE]
Why don't you read their speeches and their statements. They say it openly.no, it failed because bombing the **** out of places was never going to work, all it would do is give extremists more ammunition and support.
Bombing Nazi Germany and Japan worked. Fighting wars half-heartedly does not work. The Islamist enemy must be crushed utterly and without mercy.like bloody sunday gave the IRA large scale support and ammunition to continue.
The IRA were not looking for an Islamic state. What the British government did was to side with a theocratic unionist state. The appeasement of religious extremists during the Troubles is EXACTLY what they are doing in the Middle East today.Obama pulled out the troops because he realized no more could be done and that the mission had failed.
Violence was down as the insurgents were defeated and Sunnis began participating in democratic elections and competing in parliament with Shias. A strong Iraqi Army and police and functioning courts and local government were in place. The US military kept them in check and were shepherding them towards standing on their own two feet.
Obama pulled the rug out from under the entire project by pulling out the troops. The Shia were off the leash and shut the Sunnis out of government. The Iraqi Army without the oversight of US military advisers became corrupt and inept and standards collapsed.
Sunni insurgents took advantage of the lack of US pressure and began bombing and shooting again before they felt confident enough to launch a general uprising that led to the creation of IS.no, it is directly because of the toppling of governments who kept these governments stable.
Saddam presided over a disintegrating country kept together by a brutal military dictatorship built around his cult of personality. He would have died from natural causes or assassination eventually and Iraq would have descended into complete anarchy.
With nothing to stop them Islamists would have taken over.yeah, i'm sure.
Day after day and month after month European security services are stopping attack after attack after attack. As insurgents flood into Syria by the thousands and eventually return they will step up their attacks and police forces and intelligence services will be in danger of being overwhelmed.0 -
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no, the toppling of sadamm lead to the situation where extremists like isis could rise. the serge could only ever work temporarily. the topling of godaffey in libia lead to the rise of extremism there. Germany, Japan and South Korea still have US troops because those governments are happy for them to stay. specially with South Korea because of north Korea. terrorists don't retreat when met with military force anymore. the extremists are hardened. the US couldn't defeat them. there were no defeatists, the US realized they could do no more. the iraqy military were never going to be ready because they were smashed to bits during the iraq invasian which never should have happened. the South Vietnamese military collapsed in the face of the North Vietnamese advance in 1975 because the North Vietnamese army were strong and were able to defeat the US. the US surrendered because there was no way they could win. Obama has not allowed isis to do anything, but he realizes that simply bombing and slaughtering doesn't work, as it didn't before.DavidRamsay99 wrote: »Unfortunately Obama was elected on the same principle.
His stupidity has led to the rise of ISIS in Iraq following his pull out of US troops.
German, Japan and South Korea still had US troops on their soil decades after war ended.
The surge led by General Petreus which Obama opposed during his President campaign worked and violence in Iraq plummeted dramatically and the Iraqi Army trained by the US had taken control of most of the county.
The pull out led to the collapse in Iraqi morale and emboldened ISIS.
The failure of Obama to forsee the rise of Islamic extremists in Libya and his failure to react to the murder by Islamists of the US ambassador further emboldened the international Islamic terror network.
The only thing terrorists understand is strength and weakness.
Militarily they are weak and they retreat when met with resolute leadership and military force.
They advance when morale collapses and defeatists run.
Lack of American support led to the collapse of the Iraqi military when they came up against ISIS just as the South Vietnamese military collapsed in the face of the North Vietnamese advance in 1975 that captured Saigon follow a similar disastrous military surrender by the US.
Just as the presence of ISIS is in danger of causing mass slaughter in the past the Khmer Rouge slaughtered the people of Cambodia.
Ditherers like Jimmy Carter did nothing to save the people of Cambodia and another ditherer in chief Obama has allowed ISIS to be on the brink of doing the same.ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.
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DavidRamsay99 wrote: »The airstrike is just nonsense designed to drive a wedge between Jordan and the US.
It will only work with the usual useful idiots who say it is wrong to use airstrikes again terrorist targets because civilians nearby will be killed.
Those morons don't seem to realize that if we can't take out terrorists for fear of killing civilians nearby then no military action against terrorists would ever be possible.
Similarly last week relatives of the previously murdered hostages appeared on tv claiming the US should start paying ransoms to secure the release of hostages as if there would no consequences for doing so.
Another school of thought seems to be if we just gave hugs and kiss to terrorists they would stop killing people because the evil they do must in some way be our fault.
But it's wholly possible that she WAS killed in a Jordanian airstrike. If ISIS did kill her then why would they not say so? If they wanted to spread fear and terror and horror why wouldn't they film her killing and for good measure show her body being desecrated? Why would they wrap her in a burial shroud?0 -
i'm notireland.man wrote: »Genuinely surprised by how ill-informed all this is.ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.
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mad muffin wrote: »Hey! Look, it's Nodin! The champion of the Palestinian people...
And his pals... where one goes the rest follow, like clockwork...
Any thread with them involved usually dies a death, just ends up as a circlejerk between the four of um. Its good for them to have a hobby though, its to be encouraged.0 -
at least nodin and friends are rightmad muffin wrote: »Hey! Look, it's Nodin! The champion of the Palestinian people...
And his pals... where one goes the rest follow, like clockwork...ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.
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DavidRamsay99 wrote: »Hamas openly call for the destruction of Israel and the mass extermination of the Jews.yeah. i'm sure{/QUOTE]
Why don't you read their speeches and their statements. They say it openly.
Bombing Nazi Germany and Japan worked. Fighting wars half-heartedly does not work. The Islamist enemy must be crushed utterly and without mercy.
The IRA were not looking for an Islamic state. What the British government did was to side with a theocratic unionist state. The appeasement of religious extremists during the Troubles is EXACTLY what they are doing in the Middle East today.
Violence was down as the insurgents were defeated and Sunnis began participating in democratic elections and competing in parliament with Shias. A strong Iraqi Army and police and functioning courts and local government were in place. The US military kept them in check and were shepherding them towards standing on their own two feet.
Obama pulled the rug out from under the entire project by pulling out the troops. The Shia were off the leash and shut the Sunnis out of government. The Iraqi Army without the oversight of US military advisers became corrupt and inept and standards collapsed.
Sunni insurgents took advantage of the lack of US pressure and began bombing and shooting again before they felt confident enough to launch a general uprising that led to the creation of IS.
Saddam presided over a disintegrating country kept together by a brutal military dictatorship built around his cult of personality. He would have died from natural causes or assassination eventually and Iraq would have descended into complete anarchy.
With nothing to stop them Islamists would have taken over.
Day after day and month after month European security services are stopping attack after attack after attack. As insurgents flood into Syria by the thousands and eventually return they will step up their attacks and police forces and intelligence services will be in danger of being overwhelmed.
yeah. what book did you get all that from? is it availible on amazon?ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.
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end of the road wrote: »at least nodin and friends are right
I doubt it. But please carry on. Don't stop on my account.0 -
Pretty nasty thing to say. From everything I have read, she was just trying to help people. Its really pathetic to take a shot at someone who was murdered by ISIS, and imho isn't a million miles away from victim blaming.
Well the person you're responding to has admitted to laughing when people get beaten up yet is to frightened to get involved or revealing his identity to the police when there are confontations between his neighbours and their landlord that could potentially turn violent. This is the depth of moral fibre you're dealing with.0 -
end of the road wrote: »at least nodin and friends are right
Its good to have friends, don't you ever let anybody tell you any different0 -
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end of the road wrote: »no, the toppling of sadamm lead to the situation where extremists like isis could rise. the serge could only ever work temporarily. the topling of godaffey in libia lead to the rise of extremism there. Germany, Japan and South Korea still have US troops because those governments are happy for them to stay. specially with South Korea because of north Korea. terrorists don't retreat when met with military force anymore. the extremists are hardened. the US couldn't defeat them. there were no defeatists, the US realized they could do no more. the iraqy military were never going to be ready because they were smashed to bits during the iraq invasian which never should have happened. the South Vietnamese military collapsed in the face of the North Vietnamese advance in 1975 because the North Vietnamese army were strong and were able to defeat the US. the US surrendered because there was no way they could win. Obama has not allowed isis to do anything, but he realizes that simply bombing and slaughtering doesn't work, as it didn't before.
Tears are in my eyes. Genuinely.
Eotr, this is the longest post I've ever seen you produce.
It's all badly spelled dogmatic nonsense, of course, yet...
It's heartening and strangely beautiful. Like seeing a chimpanzee use tools for the first time.0
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