ISIS Victim Kayla Mueller Sent This Letter To Her Family Before She Was Killed. :(

DavidRamsay99

Kayla Mueller was an idealistic, many would say naive, young woman who believed she could make a difference in this dark world. Moved by the plight of helpless Syrian refugees especially children displaced by the cruel civil war she volunteered to go to the Middle East to help them. She was kidnapped the barbarian savages of ISIS in 2013 and was tragically killed apparently in a Jordanian airstrike on a building where she was held prisoner in Raqqa, Syria now capital of the so-called Islamic State.

This is the full transcript letter she wrote to her family:

Everyone, If you are receiving this letter it means I am still detained but my cell mates (starting from 11/2/2014) have been released.

I have asked them to contact you + send you this letter.

It’s hard to know what to say.

Please know that I am in a safe location, completely unharmed + healthy(put on weight in fact); I have been treated w/ the utmost respect + kindness. I wanted to write you all a well thought out letter (but I

didn’t know if my cellmates would be leaving in the coming days or the coming months restricting my time but primarily) I could only but write the letter a paragraph at a time, just the thought of you all sends me into a fit of tears.

If you could say I have “suffered” at all throughout this whole experience it is only in knowing how much suffering I have put you all through; I will never ask you to forgive me as I do not deserve forgiveness.

I remember mom always telling me that all in all in the end the only one you really have is God. I have come to a place in experience where, in every sense of the word, I have surrendered myself to our creator b/c literally there was no else….+ by God + by your prayers I have felt tenderly cradled in freefall.

I have been shown in darkness, light + have learned that even in prison, one can be free. I am grateful.

I have come to see that there is good in every situation, sometimes we just have to look for it. I pray each each day that if nothing else, you have felt a certain closeness + surrender to God as well + have formed a bond of love + support amongst one another…

I miss you all as if it has been a decade of forced separation. I have had many a long hour to think, to think of all the things I will do w/ Lex, our first family camping trip, the first meeting @ the airport.I have had many hours to think how only in your absence have I finally @ 25 years old come to realize your place in my life.

The gift that is each one of you + the person I could + could not be if you were not a part of my life, my family, my support. I DO NOT want the negotiations for my release to be your duty, if there is any other option

take it, even if it takes more time.

This should never have become your burden. I have asked these women to

support you; please seek their advice. If you have not done so already, [REDACTED] can contact [REDACTED] who may have a certain level of experience with these people.

None of us could have known it would be this long but know I am also fighting from my side in the ways I am able + I have a lot of fight left

inside of me.

I am not breaking down + I will not give in no matter how long it takes.

I wrote a song some months ago that says, “The part of me that pains the most also gets me out of bed, w/out your hope there would be nothing left…” aka -­ The thought of your pain is the source of my own, simultaneously the hope of our reunion is the source of my strength.

Please be patient, give your pain to God.

I know you would want me to remain strong.

That is exactly what I am doing.

Do not fear for me, continue to pray as will I + by God’s will we will

be together soon.

All my everything,

Kayla

opinionated3

God bless her. She went there to help. .......and paid for it with her life.

DavidRamsay99

The U.S. have now claimed she was not killed in a Jordanian airstrike but was murdered by her ISIS captors.

I've seen graphic pictures and videos of what those sick twisted b*st*rds have done to other hostages and what they have done to Yazidi women so the thought of what that poor girl went through before she died fills me with an overwhelming rage.

Jordan have vowed to wipe ISIS off the face of the earth.

I hope they waste the motherf*ckers.

Cookie_Monster

seems pretty scripted to me.
God is great, ISIS aren't that bad...

Egginacup

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The U.S. have now claimed she was not killed in a Jordanian airstrike but was murdered by her ISIS captors.

I've seen graphic pictures and videos of what those sick twisted b*st*rds have done to other hostages and what they have done to Yazidi women so the thought of what that poor girl went through before she died fills me with an overwhelming rage.

Jordan have vowed to wipe ISIS off the face of the earth.

I hope they waste the motherf*ckers.

Does the US have any evidence to corroborate their claims?

I haven't seen or heard or read anything on the news regarding what you say.

Could you supply a source please?

Turtwig

That seems very ****ty un American English for someone who supposedly speaks it as a first language. Coerced or scripted, perhaps? Seriously Isis it's "a-n-d" not "plus".

Tugboats

Egginacup wrote: »

Does the US have any evidence to corroborate their claims?

I haven't seen or heard or read anything on the news regarding what you say.

Could you supply a source please?

I think America are going by the email that Jihadi John sent her parents. It's probably a picture of her with no head.

DavidRamsay99

The parents were apparently sent two headshots of her dead body showing her face.
One showing her wearing a black headscarf and another of her wearing a burial shroud.

Egginacup

Tugboats wrote: »

I think America are going by the email that Jihadi John sent her parents. It's probably a picture of her with no head.

So did they say they killed her in the email or simply that she's dead? And what's this talk of an airstrike?

DavidRamsay99

Egginacup wrote: »

So did they say they killed her in the email or simply that she's dead? And what's this talk of an airstrike?

The airstrike is just nonsense designed to drive a wedge between Jordan and the US.

It will only work with the usual useful idiots who say it is wrong to use airstrikes again terrorist targets because civilians nearby will be killed.

Those morons don't seem to realize that if we can't take out terrorists for fear of killing civilians nearby then no military action against terrorists would ever be possible.

Similarly last week relatives of the previously murdered hostages appeared on tv claiming the US should start paying ransoms to secure the release of hostages as if there would no consequences for doing so.

Another school of thought seems to be if we just gave hugs and kiss to terrorists they would stop killing people because the evil they do must in some way be our fault.

Arsemageddon

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The airstrike is just nonsense designed to drive a wedge between Jordan and the US.

It will only work with the usual useful idiots who say it is wrong to use airstrikes again terrorist targets because civilians nearby will be killed.

Those morons don't seem to realize that if we can't take out terrorists for fear of killing civilians nearby then no military action against terrorists would ever be possible.

Similarly last week relatives of the previously murdered hostages appeared on tv claiming the US should start paying ransoms to secure the release of hostages as if there would no consequences for doing so.

Another school of thought seems to be if we just gave hugs and kiss to terrorists they would stop killing people because the evil they do must in some way be our fault.

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BeerWolf

Can't understand why people are still going there, when it's well known at this point of the dangers of being kidnapped and/or being killed there...

Avoid the Middle East like the plague!

JONJO THE MISER

Interviewing her friend now on democracy now on rte radio extra.

Tugboats

BeerWolf wrote: »

Can't understand why people are still going there, when it's well known at this point of the dangers of being kidnapped and/or being killed there...

Avoid the Middle East like the plague!

Some people like to post selfies of themselves on Facebook helping those in war torn countries

wes

Tugboats wrote: »

Some people like to post selfies of themselves on Facebook helping those in war torn countries

Pretty nasty thing to say. From everything I have read, she was just trying to help people. Its really pathetic to take a shot at someone who was murdered by ISIS, and imho isn't a million miles away from victim blaming.

DavidRamsay99

Mueller was associated with the Palestinian solidarity movement and as part of her activism lived among Palestinians to prevent home demolitions and Israeli settlements. She sympathized with Palestinian terrorists.Her solidarity with the Muslim people and her anti-Israeli political position was not enough to save her. That's what the idiots who loudly oppose the War on Terror just don't get it. The terrorists see no difference between left wing and right wing infidels. They just see infidels. Useful idiots but still infidels who they will behead or crucify or burn alive or gang rape to death when they have outlived their usefulness.

Nodin

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Mueller was associated with the Palestinian solidarity movement and as part of her activism lived among Palestinians to prevent home demolitions and Israeli settlements. She sympathized with Palestinian terrorists.Her solidarity with the Muslim people and her anti-Israeli political position was not enough to save her. That's what the idiots who loudly oppose the War on Terror just don't get it. The terrorists see no difference between left wing and right wing infidels. They just see infidels. Useful idiots but still infidels who they will behead or crucify or burn alive or gang rape to death when they have outlived their usefulness.

Are you trying to make some link between the Palestinian people and movements and IS?

DavidRamsay99

Hamas share the same Islamofascist ideology as IS.

Read the Hamas Charter.

End of lesson.

kowloon

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Mueller was associated with the Palestinian solidarity movement and as part of her activism lived among Palestinians to prevent home demolitions and Israeli settlements. She sympathized with Palestinian terrorists...

Yup, I can see where this thread is going.

wes

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Mueller was associated with the Palestinian solidarity movement and as part of her activism lived among Palestinians to prevent home demolitions and Israeli settlements. She sympathized with Palestinian terrorists.

A bunch of nasty victim blaming lies. Utterly pathetic to attack this Woman in this manner, and quite frankly disgusting and typically of the far right part of boards.

So basically, if your a victim of ISIS and the far right part of boards doesn't like your politics, they will engage in victim blaming. Wow, a new low right there.

Nodin

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Hamas share the same Islamofascist ideology as IS.

............

Nope. IS is hostile to Hamas and they have different ideologies.

wes

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Hamas share the same Islamofascist ideology as IS.

Hamas are as much a nationalist movement as they are a Religious one, ISIS are not. ISIS have even attacked Hamas for not being extreme enough. So no, not the same ideology.

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Read the Hamas Charter.

Hamas drops call for destruction of Israel from manifesto

There election manifesto supersedes that document.....

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

End of lesson.

A lesson in telling us that in addition to your disgusting victim blaming, that you have no idea what you talking about......

DavidRamsay99

wes wrote: »

A bunch of nasty victim blaming lies. Utterly pathetic to attack this Woman in this manner, and quite frankly disgusting and typically of the far right part of boards.

So basically, if you a victim of ISIS and the far right part of boards doesn't like your politics, they will engage in victim blaming. Wow, a new low right there.

Let's get one thing straight. ISIS killed her. They either murdered her themselves or killed her by keeping her prisoner as a human shield in Raqqa so that she died in a Jordanian airstrike. She DID NOT DESERVE TO DIE.

Her politics sucked and led to her being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Her death should be a wake up calls. The Islamic terrorists want to kill us ALL regardless of differing views in the West regarding capitalism, world hunger, religion, gay rights, Palestine/Israel, American imperialism/exceptionalism, climate change/hoax, abortion/pro-life etc etc etc.

They see us as infidels and they want to kill us all.

Poor sweet innocent cute naive Kayla was indoctrinated with the usual left wing crap and bought into the propaganda against Israel and she probably opposed the war on terror and the rest of the left wing shopping list. She probably opposed Bush, loved Gore's Inconvenient Truth, voted for Obama and then was shocked he was a war President etc etc.

She went to Syria for good reasons to help innocent Syrian people and she deserves to be called a hero.

The savages in ISIS saw her as an infidel and nothing more.

I don't want to imagine what those b*st*rds did to her before she died.

If they allowed her to live she was never coming home - probably she would have ended her days as a sex slave and breeding mare for some guy named Ahmed or Rashid or Mahmoud in some dirty poor one goat village and forced to dress in a tent.

Her contemporaries on American campuses who loudly oppose American military action against terrorists and probably oppose military recruitment on campus are just like her. Naive cocooned from the reality of a brutal world and who think non violence and talking and cultural understanding and hugs will bring about world peace.

Today Obama is seek authorization to expanded the war against ISIS citing the deaths of American hostages including Kayla.

Those very same college kids who share Mueller's impossibly twee world view will oppose it of course.

They don't seem to realize or want to know that if ISIS were to arrive on their college campus their severed heads and crucified bodies would be quickly decorating the place.

Nodin

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Let's get one thing straight. ISIS killed her.

He hasn't said otherwise.

Perhaps if you concentrated on that fact, rather than shoehorn an anti-left rant and stop trying to smear the Palestinian cause, we could get back to the topic.

DavidRamsay99

Nodin wrote: »

Nope. IS is hostile to Hamas and they have different ideologies.

In the past SS were hostile to the SA and Stalin was hostile to Hitler.

Fast forward to today.

ISIS is hostile to Al-Qaeda.

Iran is hostile to the Saudis.

Hamas and Hezbollah are both hostile to Israel but Sunnis and Shias want to slaughter each other.

They are all Islamic fundamentalist savages.

You are only talking about degrees of extremism and savagery and bigotry.

My name is URL

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Let's get one thing straight. ISIS killed her. They either murdered her themselves or killed her by keeping her prisoner as a human shield in Raqqa so that she died in a Jordanian airstrike. She DID NOT DESERVE TO DIE.

Her politics sucked and led to her being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Her death should be a wake up calls. The Islamic terrorists want to kill us ALL regardless of differing views in the West regarding capitalism, world hunger, religion, gay rights, Palestine/Israel, American imperialism/exceptionalism, climate change/hoax, abortion/pro-life etc etc etc.

They see us as infidels and they want to kill us all.

Poor sweet innocent cute naive Kayla was indoctrinated with the usual left wing crap and bought into the propaganda against Israel and she probably opposed the war on terror and the rest of the left wing shopping list. She probably opposed Bush, loved Gore's Inconvenient Truth, voted for Obama and then was shocked he was a war President etc etc.

She went to Syria for good reasons to help innocent Syrian people and she deserves to be called a hero.

The savages in ISIS saw her as an infidel and nothing more.

I don't want to imagine what those b*st*rds did to her before she died.

If they allowed her to live she was never coming home - probably she would have ended her days as a sex slave and breeding mare for some guy named Ahmed or Rashid or Mahmoud in some dirty poor one goat village and forced to dress in a tent.

Her contemporaries on American campuses who loudly oppose American military action against terrorists and probably oppose military recruitment on campus are just like her. Naive cocooned from the reality of a brutal world and who think non violence and talking and cultural understanding and hugs will bring about world peace.

Today Obama is seek authorization to expanded the war against ISIS citing the deaths of American hostages including Kayla.

Those very same college kids who share Mueller's impossibly twee world view will oppose it of course.

They don't seem to realize or want to know that if ISIS were to arrive on their college campus their severed heads and crucified bodies would be quickly decorating the place.

You sound insane. If you're that worried about ISIS killing us all why not become a mercenary and do something about it?

Also, who are you a re-reg of?

Nodin

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

In the past(...........) and bigotry.

It's odd how your blanket statements are made when you've been condemning the blanket approach of IS a post or two beforehand, without a trace of irony.

DavidRamsay99

Nodin wrote: »

He hasn't said otherwise.

Perhaps if you concentrated on that fact, rather than shoehorn an anti-left rant and stop trying to smear the Palestinian cause, we could get back to the topic.

Kayla Mueller's naive hippy dippy b*llsh*t politics were the reason she was in the Middle East.

She reminds me of those naive left wing save the world types in the movie the Green Inferno by horror director Eli Roth who travel to the Amazon to save a lost tribe from logging companies.

Their plane crashes and they encounter the tribe they want to save who tear them apart and eat them.

end of the road

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Mueller was associated with the Palestinian solidarity movement and as part of her activism lived among Palestinians to prevent home demolitions and Israeli settlements. She sympathized with Palestinian terrorists.Her solidarity with the Muslim people and her anti-Israeli political position was not enough to save her. That's what the idiots who loudly oppose the War on Terror just don't get it. The terrorists see no difference between left wing and right wing infidels. They just see infidels. Useful idiots but still infidels who they will behead or crucify or burn alive or gang rape to death when they have outlived their usefulness.

and the jewish terrorists of the israely government military and their supporters don't care whether your useful or not, if your not of the right stock or your on land they want to steal, expect to be eradicated and your homes demolished

Nodin

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Kayla Mueller's naive hippy dippy b*llsh*t politics were the reason she was in the Middle East.

She reminds me of those naive left wing save the world types in the movie the Green Inferno by horror director Eli Roth who travel to the Amazon to save a lost tribe from logging companies.

Their plane crashes and they encounter the tribe they want to save who tear them apart and eat them.

......fairly sure she wasn't actually there to "save" IS.

Does it strike you as appropriate to fire more venom at the womans politics than her killers?

end of the road

Nodin wrote: »

Are you trying to make some link between the Palestinian people and movements and IS?

of course he is . don't you know, if you don't support israel or the failed war on terror your obviously a member or supporter of terrorism

Boring username

wes wrote: »

Pretty nasty thing to say. From everything I have read, she was just trying to help people. Its really pathetic to take a shot at someone who was murdered by ISIS, and imho isn't a million miles away from victim blaming.

To a certain extent I agree with you, the poster hasn't been very diplomatic in his criticism of Ms. Mueller. However, he does raise an interesting point about extremely naive people (not just Americans) wandering off to war zones on some misguided altruistic mission.
Ideally, anyone thinking of volunteering to work in a war zone needs to be briefed on the cold blooded reality of what will happen in they are captured by the enemy. That includes watching videos and slideshows of how they can expect to be treated. And after that, if they still insist on going, they will sign a 'no rescue' waiver in the event of them being captured. So they are free to choose, but now they understand the full consequences.

DavidRamsay99

Nodin wrote: »

......fairly sure she wasn't actually there to "save" IS.

Does it strike you as appropriate to fire more venom at the womans politics than her killers?

She was kidnapped after she left a center where she was working with MSF. Some savage who knew she was American and an infidel was watching her and betrayed her to whoever took her. Her selflessness in helping the Syrian people counted for nothing. She was probably sold on to ISIS and the b*st*rds killed her.

The only solution to ISIS is to send in ground troops backed up by air power and slaughter every last one of them.

Turtwig

Why does anyone think Kayla didn't understand the consequences? Could we not just as easily assume that she fully understood the risks but chose to go anyway.

Honestly nobody here knows anything about her .Speculating whether she was naive or not isn't any of our fecking business.

end of the road

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Let's get one thing straight. ISIS killed her. They either murdered her themselves or killed her by keeping her prisoner as a human shield in Raqqa so that she died in a Jordanian airstrike. She DID NOT DESERVE TO DIE.

Her politics sucked and led to her being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Her death should be a wake up calls. The Islamic terrorists want to kill us ALL regardless of differing views in the West regarding capitalism, world hunger, religion, gay rights, Palestine/Israel, American imperialism/exceptionalism, climate change/hoax, abortion/pro-life etc etc etc.

They see us as infidels and they want to kill us all.

Poor sweet innocent cute naive Kayla was indoctrinated with the usual left wing crap and bought into the propaganda against Israel and she probably opposed the war on terror and the rest of the left wing shopping list. She probably opposed Bush, loved Gore's Inconvenient Truth, voted for Obama and then was shocked he was a war President etc etc.

She went to Syria for good reasons to help innocent Syrian people and she deserves to be called a hero.

The savages in ISIS saw her as an infidel and nothing more.

I don't want to imagine what those b*st*rds did to her before she died.

If they allowed her to live she was never coming home - probably she would have ended her days as a sex slave and breeding mare for some guy named Ahmed or Rashid or Mahmoud in some dirty poor one goat village and forced to dress in a tent.

Her contemporaries on American campuses who loudly oppose American military action against terrorists and probably oppose military recruitment on campus are just like her. Naive cocooned from the reality of a brutal world and who think non violence and talking and cultural understanding and hugs will bring about world peace.

Today Obama is seek authorization to expanded the war against ISIS citing the deaths of American hostages including Kayla.

Those very same college kids who share Mueller's impossibly twee world view will oppose it of course.

They don't seem to realize or want to know that if ISIS were to arrive on their college campus their severed heads and crucified bodies would be quickly decorating the place.

yeah. did that old rant about nothing get it all off your chest? lets see. what was wrong with her politics. what is wrong with opposing the war on terror considering it has failed and caused more terrorism then ever before. what is wrong with not liking bush. what "usual left wing crap" what "propaganda" against israel. there is no propaganda against israel. what israel has done, the raping slaughtering and stealing and eradication, is all there to see. do you think slaughtering left right and centre is going to bring peace? because from what i can see, its not happening. its not working. nothing wrong with cultural understanding or suggesting non violence. only extremists have an issue with it. and, isis won't be arriving on college campuses in america

DavidRamsay99

end of the road wrote: »

of course he is . don't you know, if you don't support israel or the failed war on terror your obviously a member or supporter of terrorism

Are you for real? Have you read the Hamas Charter? They want to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews not just in Israel but all over the world once their Islamic Caliphate is established.

The reason the war on terror is failing is because left liberal idiots who are dogmatically opposed to war and think no Americans should come home in body bags voted Obama into office and he pulled out all the troops from Iraq.

The rise of ISIS is directly linked to the ease off of military pressure on Sunni jihadists in Iraq which fueled the insurgency in Syria and has emboldened Islamic extremists across the Middle East who jumped at the opportunity provided by the Arab Spring which has brought their dream of a pan Middle Eastern Islamic Caliphate closer.

We now face the serious possibility of full scale Islamic insurgencies on the streets of European cities with the attack on Charlie Hebdo a state of what is to come if we do not fight Islamic fundamentalism and Islamic terrorism.

end of the road

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Kayla Mueller's naive hippy dippy b*llsh*t politics were the reason she was in the Middle East.

She reminds me of those naive left wing save the world types in the movie the Green Inferno by horror director Eli Roth who travel to the Amazon to save a lost tribe from logging companies.

Their plane crashes and they encounter the tribe they want to save who tear them apart and eat them.

well, at least they tried

Nodin

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Are you for real? Have(............)
Islamic terrorism.

*sigh.

end of the road

Boring username wrote: »

To a certain extent I agree with you, the poster hasn't been very diplomatic in his criticism of Ms. Mueller. However, he does raise an interesting point about extremely naive people (not just Americans) wandering off to war zones on some misguided altruistic mission.
Ideally, anyone thinking of volunteering to work in a war zone needs to be briefed on the cold blooded reality of what will happen in they are captured by the enemy. That includes watching videos and slideshows of how they can expect to be treated. And after that, if they still insist on going, they will sign a 'no rescue' waiver in the event of them being captured. So they are free to choose, but now they understand the full consequences.

they will not sign, or be expected to sign a no rescue waver. it is our duty to rescue these people if at all possible by whatever means, they are entitled to be rescued.

Arsemageddon

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

She reminds me of those naive left wing save the world types in the movie the Green Inferno by horror director Eli Roth who travel to the Amazon to save a lost tribe from logging companies.

Their plane crashes and they encounter the tribe they want to save who tear them apart and eat them.

Your basing your world view on an Eli Roth film!?

P.S. Would it be too much to ask you to spoiler tags in future

Tugboats

end of the road wrote: »

they will not sign, or be expected to sign a no rescue waver. it is our duty to rescue these people if at all possible by whatever means, they are entitled to be rescued.

By any means necessary?. So a woman disgusted by war who wants to help a few kids should be rescued by military resulting in more deaths of the people she trying to help.

If the Yanks used any means necessary to rescue her you would be the first on here moaning about the use of force. Please logout. You continuously embarrass yourself here everyday

end of the road

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Are you for real? Have you read the Hamas Charter? They want to destroy Israel

well, yes i am for real and i've read the charter, and the destruction of israel isn't in it. mind you, when your family and fellow citizens are being slaughtered left right and centre so an occupier can steal your land or your not of the right stock, its kind of not surprising that people will want to destroy the occupying country carrying out such isis style brutality.

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

and kill all the Jews not just in Israel but all over the world once their Islamic Caliphate is established.

yeah. i'm sure

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The reason the war on terror is failing is because left liberal idiots who are dogmatically opposed to war and think no Americans should come home in body bags voted Obama into office and he pulled out all the troops from Iraq.

no, it failed because bombing the **** out of places was never going to work, all it would do is give extremists more ammunition and support. like bloody sunday gave the IRA large scale support and ammunition to continue. Obama pulled out the troops because he realized no more could be done and that the mission had failed.

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The rise of ISIS is directly linked to the ease off of military pressure on Sunni jihadists in Iraq which fueled the insurgency in Syria and has emboldened Islamic extremists across the Middle East who jumped at the opportunity provided by the Arab Spring which has brought their dream of a pan Middle Eastern Islamic Caliphate closer.

no, it is directly because of the toppling of governments who kept these governments stable.

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

We now face the serious possibility of full scale Islamic insurgencies on the streets of European cities with the attack on Charlie Hebdo a state of what is to come if we do not fight Islamic fundamentalism and Islamic terrorism.

yeah, i'm sure.

end of the road

Tugboats wrote: »

By any means necessary?. So a woman disgusted by war who wants to help a few kids should be rescued by military resulting in more deaths of the people she trying to help.

If the Yanks used any means necessary to rescue her you would be the first on here moaning about the use of force. Please logout. You continuously embarrass yourself here everyday

no . i don't. but this is coming from the one who thinks nobody cares about anything and only does for selfies or likes on facebook yada yada yada

lightspeed

As tragic as this story is which it is, when i first read it i thought thank god she died in an airstrike.

I mean look how they treat their hostages? They have executed several by beheading and recently burnt the Jordanian pilot alive in a cage.

She is an American and a women. Those bastards would probably have seen here as a jackpot catch and would loved to have murdered her in such a brutal fashion to ensure the US and all of the western world are outraged and paying attention.

Its quite obvious why they murder people the way they do. They want people in US and elsewhere to become exhausted with US involvement in the middle east. Typically the response is for Americans to chant USA and go all out against their enemies for vengeance. However, predictably people in the west are growing tired of US military involvement in the middle east so the hope is likely that people in the US will instead put pressure on their government to refrain from further or any involvement in the Middle east.

Prior to burning the pilot alive, many Jordanians were protesting against the Monarchy there for getting involved the fight against ISIS after the pilot was captured. That opinion swayed then the other way after it was revealed how they killed him and that they were just toying cruelly with the Jordanian people to bargain for his life after already having killed him.

If she did not die in an airstrike, what were the odds she was not going to die in a fate similar to those who were already brutally murdered by ISIS? At least her family were spared the spectacle of their daughter being murdered in such a brutal way and distributed on the internet.

DavidRamsay99

end of the road wrote: »

well, at least they tried

Unfortunately Obama was elected on the same principle.
His stupidity has led to the rise of ISIS in Iraq following his pull out of US troops.
German, Japan and South Korea still had US troops on their soil decades after war ended.
The surge led by General Petreus which Obama opposed during his President campaign worked and violence in Iraq plummeted dramatically and the Iraqi Army trained by the US had taken control of most of the county.
The pull out led to the collapse in Iraqi morale and emboldened ISIS.
The failure of Obama to forsee the rise of Islamic extremists in Libya and his failure to react to the murder by Islamists of the US ambassador further emboldened the international Islamic terror network.
The only thing terrorists understand is strength and weakness.
Militarily they are weak and they retreat when met with resolute leadership and military force.
They advance when morale collapses and defeatists run.
Lack of American support led to the collapse of the Iraqi military when they came up against ISIS just as the South Vietnamese military collapsed in the face of the North Vietnamese advance in 1975 that captured Saigon follow a similar disastrous military surrender by the US.
Just as the presence of ISIS is in danger of causing mass slaughter in the past the Khmer Rouge slaughtered the people of Cambodia.
Ditherers like Jimmy Carter did nothing to save the people of Cambodia and another ditherer in chief Obama has allowed ISIS to be on the brink of doing the same.

Arsemageddon

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Just as the presence of ISIS is in danger of causing mass slaughter in the past the Khmer Rouge slaughtered the people of Cambodia.
Ditherers like Jimmy Carter did nothing to save the people of Cambodia and another ditherer in chief Obama has allowed ISIS to be on the brink of doing the same.

I think you'll find it was the Vietnamese who deposed the Khmer Rouge, they then withdrew from Cambodia (so much for the Domino theory)

By the by the US supported the Khmer Rouge.

ireland.man

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Unfortunately Obama was elected on the same principle.
His stupidity has led to the rise of ISIS in Iraq following his pull out of US troops.
German, Japan and South Korea still had US troops on their soil decades after war ended.
The surge led by General Petreus which Obama opposed during his President campaign worked and violence in Iraq plummeted dramatically and the Iraqi Army trained by the US had taken control of most of the county.
The pull out led to the collapse in Iraqi morale and emboldened ISIS.
The failure of Obama to forsee the rise of Islamic extremists in Libya and his failure to react to the murder by Islamists of the US ambassador further emboldened the international Islamic terror network.
The only thing terrorists understand is strength and weakness.
Militarily they are weak and they retreat when met with resolute leadership and military force.
They advance when morale collapses and defeatists run.
Lack of American support led to the collapse of the Iraqi military when they came up against ISIS just as the South Vietnamese military collapsed in the face of the North Vietnamese advance in 1975 that captured Saigon follow a similar disastrous military surrender by the US.
Just as the presence of ISIS is in danger of causing mass slaughter in the past the Khmer Rouge slaughtered the people of Cambodia.
Ditherers like Jimmy Carter did nothing to save the people of Cambodia and another ditherer in chief Obama has allowed ISIS to be on the brink of doing the same.

Genuinely surprised by how ill-informed all this is.

Arsemageddon

ireland.man wrote: »

Genuinely surprised by how ill-informed all this is.

Just watch Hostel and Hostel 2, everything will become clear.

mad muffin

Nodin wrote: »

Are you trying to make some link between the Palestinian people and movements and IS?

Hey! Look, it's Nodin! The champion of the Palestinian people...

wes wrote: »

A bunch of nasty victim blaming lies. Utterly pathetic to attack this Woman in this manner, and quite frankly disgusting and typically of the far right part of boards.

So basically, if your a victim of ISIS and the far right part of boards doesn't like your politics, they will engage in victim blaming. Wow, a new low right there.

My name is URL wrote: »

You sound insane. If you're that worried about ISIS killing us all why not become a mercenary and do something about it?

Also, who are you a re-reg of?

end of the road wrote: »

and the jewish terrorists of the israely government military and their supporters don't care whether your useful or not, if your not of the right stock or your on land they want to steal, expect to be eradicated and your homes demolished

And his pals... where one goes the rest follow, like clockwork...

AlanS181824

Seems totally false but you never know really.

DavidRamsay99

end of the road wrote: »

well, yes i am for real and i've read the charter, and the destruction of israel isn't in it. mind you, when your family and fellow citizens are being slaughtered left right and centre so an occupier can steal your land or your not of the right stock, its kind of not surprising that people will want to destroy the occupying country carrying out such isis style brutality.

Hamas openly call for the destruction of Israel and the mass extermination of the Jews.

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Why don't you read their speeches and their statements. They say it openly.

no, it failed because bombing the **** out of places was never going to work, all it would do is give extremists more ammunition and support.

Bombing Nazi Germany and Japan worked. Fighting wars half-heartedly does not work. The Islamist enemy must be crushed utterly and without mercy.

like bloody sunday gave the IRA large scale support and ammunition to continue.

The IRA were not looking for an Islamic state. What the British government did was to side with a theocratic unionist state. The appeasement of religious extremists during the Troubles is EXACTLY what they are doing in the Middle East today.

Obama pulled out the troops because he realized no more could be done and that the mission had failed.

Violence was down as the insurgents were defeated and Sunnis began participating in democratic elections and competing in parliament with Shias. A strong Iraqi Army and police and functioning courts and local government were in place. The US military kept them in check and were shepherding them towards standing on their own two feet.
Obama pulled the rug out from under the entire project by pulling out the troops. The Shia were off the leash and shut the Sunnis out of government. The Iraqi Army without the oversight of US military advisers became corrupt and inept and standards collapsed.
Sunni insurgents took advantage of the lack of US pressure and began bombing and shooting again before they felt confident enough to launch a general uprising that led to the creation of IS.

no, it is directly because of the toppling of governments who kept these governments stable.

Saddam presided over a disintegrating country kept together by a brutal military dictatorship built around his cult of personality. He would have died from natural causes or assassination eventually and Iraq would have descended into complete anarchy.
With nothing to stop them Islamists would have taken over.

yeah, i'm sure.

Day after day and month after month European security services are stopping attack after attack after attack. As insurgents flood into Syria by the thousands and eventually return they will step up their attacks and police forces and intelligence services will be in danger of being overwhelmed.