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Stealthfins

Interesting listening.

realdanbreen

Stealthfins wrote: »

Interesting listening.

I don't believe it!:D

robindch

Fascinating.

Anybody else got an opinion they'd like to share?

Icepick

Referring to the morning piece with Nugent?
Was quite to the point.

Peregrinus

Linkety-link?

Turtwig

Peregrinus wrote: »

Linkety-link?

It would appear Luke that the link is a bit of a mystery. Say, looking at that quoted post closer reminds me of a puzzle...


Mighty fun so it was.
There was also this one. Which was a good deal tougher. Especially once you had discovered your more favorable solutions.


As to the mystery of the missing hyperlink. Well, I'm afraid we are quite stumped. Perhaps we should ask the locals of the community for assistance? They do seem quite the puzzle enthusiasts. Better check the bushes for hidden puzzles too, because puzzles.

<found a hint coin>

shruikan2553

So was this about atheists sacrificing babies to Dawkins or more along the lines of people being quite happy not following instructions in really old books that are half ignored anyway?

Peregrinus

shruikan2553 wrote: »

So was this about atheists sacrificing babies to Dawkins or more along the lines of people being quite happy not following instructions in really old books that are half ignored anyway?

Neither of those, if the OP is to believed. He said it was "interesting".

endacl

Peregrinus wrote: »

Neither of those, if the OP is to believed. He said it was "interesting".

Like biscuits? Biscuits are interesting.

realdanbreen

shruikan2553 wrote: »

So was this about atheists sacrificing babies to Dawkins or more along the lines of people being quite happy not following instructions in really old books that are half ignored anyway?

I think it was more along the lines of..long long ago there was a big loud bang and ... it got a bit hazy after that.

Stealthfins

Look its very simple, go to the date and time of the op, find the pod cast of the George Hook show at that time.

And listen to it, you can make up your own mind,George was well ahead of the guy who was off on one....

endacl

Stealthfins wrote: »

Look its very simple, go to the date and time of the op, find the pod cast of the George Hook show at that time.

And listen to it, you can make up your own mind,George was well ahead of the guy who was off on one....

That would have been a better opening post. With more link.

Skrynesaver

Stealthfins wrote: »

Look its very simple, go to the date and time of the op, find the pod cast of the George Hook show at that time.

And listen to it, you can make up your own mind,George was well ahead of the guy who was off on one....

Anyone the Hookie monster is ahead of is travelling fair slow

Stealthfins

endacl wrote: »

That would have been a better opening post. With more link.

Thanks, I will be more prepared the next time.
I think it was about schools not accepting non Catholic kids etc and the interviewee's opinion on the fact that his kid has to sit in and listen to religion class, even though his kid doesn't have to participate in religion.

Although I think most kid's would be happy enough to sit down with an A2 pad and draw pictures and doodle away with crayons for an hour or so.

Looking back I loved scribbling away, I still have my good news bible at home in my parent's which has a doodle of eddie from Iron Maiden in the inside cover, and judge dread somewhere else....

Stealthfins

Skrynesaver wrote: »

Anyone the Hookie monster is ahead of is travelling fair slow

That's my exact thought on it, I actually couldn't believe how well George handled the interview.

He had all the right questions and answers, interesting stuff I might say.

Shrap

Stealthfins wrote: »

That's my exact thought on it, I actually couldn't believe how well George handled the interview.

He had all the right questions and answers, interesting stuff I might say.

I thought George was at his most condescending actually. When he starts to intone at the pace of a burned out headmaster who's heard it all before and his drawl turns into a drone, you can tell he has just suspended his belief. The guy he was interviewing sounded like a student trying to plead the injustice of the system but unfortunately came across as a whining 16 year old when up against the ol' bollix of a headmaster. Quite bad, I thought.

Still, today George showed his true colours again by reading us a passage from the bible on the birthday/deathday (don't remember) of Charles Darwin. He thought that would be appropriate :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I only listen to the man so I can rant and shout at the most conservative views in the country in the comfort of my own home. No use always listening to people I agree with...

Pherekydes

He's great for a laugh.

Stealthfins

Shrap wrote: »

I thought George was at his most condescending actually. When he starts to intone at the pace of a burned out headmaster who's heard it all before and his drawl turns into a drone, you can tell he has just suspended his belief. The guy he was interviewing sounded like a student trying to plead the injustice of the system but unfortunately came across as a whining 16 year old when up against the ol' bollix of a headmaster. Quite bad, I thought.

Still, today George showed his true colours again by reading us a passage from the bible on the birthday/deathday (don't remember) of Charles Darwin. He thought that would be appropriate :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I only listen to the man so I can rant and shout at the most conservative views in the country in the comfort of my own home. No use always listening to people I agree with...

The poor kid wasn't well informed really was he.

If only he spent more ample time in this forum he could have given Hook a body blow, unfortunately George was we'll in on the dark side of the force.

These young Jedi knights have a lot to learn, the king of the non believer's must teach his students the way of the force. ...

We've all heard those cliché arguments about education and having to be religious to get educated....

Hotblack Desiato

http://www.newstalk.com/player/listen_back/9/16359/10th_February_2015_-_The_Right_Hook_Part_1

15 mins in

Edit: was grand until the last question, the only one he sounded unsure of himself - the worst area of discrimination is in education all right but it's not pupils it's teachers. Unless you're prepared to lie convincingly to your employer, and teach religion as fact to little kids when they should be learning, you can forget about working as a primary teacher in this country no matter how good you are at your job.

Shrap wrote: »

I only listen to the man so I can rant and shout at the most conservative views in the country in the comfort of my own home.

Oh Georgie is far more liberal than some

Shrap

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Oh Georgie is far more liberal than some

Ah, I know. He's not the worst, but he's the one I like shouting at. The real hard-core conservatives give me hives.

Shrap

Stealthfins wrote: »

We've all heard those cliché arguments about education and having to be religious to get educated....

Here's the thing, I don't think he put the point across strongly enough that no actually, not everyone has heard those arguments. In fact most parents who sail blithely through the RCC system being cultural catholics, are ENTIRELY unaware that the months and months of time-wasting spent on their faith formation in the first communion/confirmation years are not actually on the curriculum. Those months are being taken away from their children's legitimate curricular studies, and children of other religions and non are at best twiddling their thumbs in school during those months and at worst required to go home or sit in a church not of their choosing.

There are SO many parents who haven't a notion about this. It's not a cliché at all.

jank

Shrap wrote: »

Ah, I know. He's not the worst, but he's the one I like shouting at. The real hard-core conservatives give me hives.

A little off topic but are there really 'hard core' conservative voices on TV and radio in Ireland. Me think not, especially given the level of exposure many of the more liberal and plain whacky looney left get. A day doesn't go by now without Paul Murphy and Co can't pontificate on the radio about a socialist revolution to free us all from the shackles of capitalism.

Newstalk maybe right of centre with George Hook, Mark Coleman but compared to media I watched in countries where I have lived (USA, UK, NZ, Australia) they pale in comparison to real conservative media in my opinion. If you want to compare, just listen to right wing media in the US. Light years apart. Hell even NZ has more right wing radio then Ireland and that is saying a lot. In OZ, even blatantly biased ABC at least put on real conservative voices (although they are usual outnumbered) in political programs. I challenge people to listen to RTE's Late debate any day of the week and tell me there is not a soft left bias in irish media.

Shrap

jank wrote: »

A little off topic but are there really 'hard core' conservative voices on TV and radio in Ireland. Me think not, especially given the level of exposure many of the more liberal and plain whacky looney left get. A day doesn't go by now without Paul Murphy and Co can't pontificate on the radio about a socialist revolution to free us all from the shackles of capitalism.

Newstalk maybe right of centre with George Hook, Mark Coleman but compared to media I watched in countries where I have lived (USA, UK, NZ, Australia) they pale in comparison to real conservative media in my opinion. If you want to compare, just listen to right wing media in the US. Light years apart. Hell even NZ has more right wing radio then Ireland and that is saying a lot. In OZ, even blatantly biased ABC at least put on real conservative voices (although they are usual outnumbered) in political programs. I challenge people to listen to RTE's Late debate any day of the week and tell me there is not a soft left bias in irish media.

Ah no, I quite agree with your first paragraph. I actually like how they're less bland than the current crop of radio presenting planks we generally have. However, I have to take exception to your notion that the whacky loony left get more exposure than the outstandingly nauseating Iona types. I have managed not to be listening to the radio (swiftly) any time Paul Murphy is on it - haven't been quite so lucky escaping Mary Lou unfortunately, but they truly haven't even left the traps yet where it comes to exposure of whacky idealism. Iona have it, all the way. So yes, I challenge your soft left bias with an overwhelming RCC bias.

Hotblack Desiato

It's 'balance' - Irish style - which means very small, very well-funded and well-coached groups like Iona get waaay more exposure than they would merit. Any candidate standing for election in Ireland with 'Christian' in the party name struggles to get their vote into three figures.

At least the semi-coherent Iona rhetoric keeps the 'hang de quares' types off the radio, that's something I suppose...

jank

Shrap wrote: »

Ah no, I quite agree with your first paragraph. I actually like how they're less bland than the current crop of radio presenting planks we generally have. However, I have to take exception to your notion that the whacky loony left get more exposure than the outstandingly nauseating Iona types. I have managed not to be listening to the radio (swiftly) any time Paul Murphy is on it - haven't been quite so lucky escaping Mary Lou unfortunately, but they truly haven't even left the traps yet where it comes to exposure of whacky idealism. Iona have it, all the way. So yes, I challenge your soft left bias with an overwhelming RCC bias.

OK, lets look at the raw facts. Take the Late debate Programme on RTE Radio one that I mentioned. When was there an Iona member on that programe?

Here, you can see the panel list here.
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/the-late-debate/podcasts/

Where as the Looney left (I include the shinners on that list) are on that program on an almost nightly basis for the past few months.

To look in more detail, take for example the program on last night.
Wednesday 11th February

Arthur Spring, Labour TD for Kerry North and Limerick West. - Centre left
Peadar Toibin, Sinn Fein TD for Meath West, - Looney left
Alison O'Connor, Columnist with The Irish Examiner, Centrist
Cormac Lucey, Financial Analyst former advisor to Michael McDowell. Centre right
Kieran Allen, Department of Sociology UCD. looney left (he is a Trotskyist)
http://www.ucd.ie/research/people/sociology/drkieranallen/

By all means, if you can find me a TV program or radio program where Iona have more airtime than the looney left let me know.

jank

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

It's 'balance' - Irish style - which means very small, very well-funded and well-coached groups like Iona get waaay more exposure than they would merit. Any candidate standing for election in Ireland with 'Christian' in the party name struggles to get their vote into three figures.

At least the semi-coherent Iona rhetoric keeps the 'hang de quares' types off the radio, that's something I suppose...

Do you include AAA/SWP/PBP and Sinn Fein with that?

Hotblack Desiato

You have your lefty thread, take it there, this one is about christian loonies.

jank

I don't think you get to define what goes in what thread, mate.

Turtwig

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No idea how to indent on phone.

Shrap

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

You have your lefty thread, take it there, this one is about christian loonies.

In fairness, nobody at all wanted this thread for ages. Now we're talking about the quality of talking on the radio. It's topical. Ish.

realdanbreen

My problem with the left hook is that anytime I switch over they are either on an ad break,going to an ad break,or Hook is talking and giving his opinion. Isn't it supposed to be a news show not 'an evening with George Hook'

Shrap

realdanbreen wrote: »

Isn't it supposed to be a news show not 'an evening with George Hook'

Nah, I think it's supposed to be an evening with George Hook. The news is incidental to the ego.

Pherekydes

News, comment and opinion. Especially opinion.

Hotblack Desiato

Mostly ads.

realdanbreen

At least he has seen the light in terms of the hereafter so all is not lost.

Stealthfins

Shrap wrote: »

Here's the thing, I don't think he put the point across strongly enough that no actually, not everyone has heard those arguments. In fact most parents who sail blithely through the RCC system being cultural catholics, are ENTIRELY unaware that the months and months of time-wasting spent on their faith formation in the first communion/confirmation years are not actually on the curriculum. Those months are being taken away from their children's legitimate curricular studies, and children of other religions and non are at best twiddling their thumbs in school during those months and at worst required to go home or sit in a church not of their choosing.

There are SO many parents who haven't a notion about this. It's not a cliché at all.

Well the non Catholic kid's in my primary school in the late 70's early 80's did very well for themselves.

I'd be more worried about a parent who's too stringent on education to be honest.

When the other kid's are doing religion and the non religious are flicking through other books of interest like books about nature studies, ancient civilisations etc Such as the celts or greeks....

An extra hour of independence and a way to explore the unknown is far better than to have more work to do....

All depends on whether the non Catholic kid's are artistically creative or more academic. ....

iI'd opt for an hour's painting or reading about plant's and animals etc

Pherekydes

realdanbreen wrote: »

At least he has seen the light in terms of the hereafter so all is not lost.

I heard he went back to Catholicism?

robindch

jank wrote: »

I challenge people to listen to RTE's Late debate any day of the week and tell me there is not a soft left bias in irish media.

Reality has a well-attested "left-wing" bias, at least as far as people who self-describe as right-wing are concerned, so yes, that's probably true.