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Reboot Ireland - Regional Meetings prior to full party launch

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    #122
    Brian Shanahan
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    Jep Gambardella wrote: »
    Renua Ireland. Errr, interesting choice of name. Wonder how long that will last.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/lucinda-creighton-launches-renua-ireland-political-party-1.2138379

    Ré Nua, not alone is it the name of a mental health centre in Athlone, amongst any other things, but it is very close to the modern European far-right party naming convention. The translation of the name "new era" is reminiscent of the names of parties such as Chrysi Avgi of Greece or Jobbik of Hungary, and hearkens very much to the rhetoric of the far right going back as far as Mussolini and Hitler.

    All in all it is an extremely unfortunate name (as, frankly, I don't think the Loose Lips party is remotely far right, it is simply a mainstream right wing party with the economic and social idiocies attached to that stream of politics).
    conorh91 wrote: »
    Unfortunate choice of language
    So basically their ideology is the modern day right's ideology of "**** the poor, feed the rich". Yeah, we'll find that if they ever get into power their job will (like the tories and nu labor over in the UK, or the two parties in the US, or most modern European parties) be to penalise the working people who make up the majority of the population and create virtually all the wealth, while being increasingly deferential and easy on the parasites at the top who cream the wealth off.

    No new party here, the same old **** all over again.


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    #123
    Augmerson
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    Was anyone listening to the radio just now? I think it was Billy Timmons on? Jesus he was woeful. That was one of the worst interviews I've ever heard. Wasn't even asked any difficult questions.


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    #124
    the groutch
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    Lots of waffly and vague soundbites, nothing of substance to convince anyone to vote for them,


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    #125
    hallelujajordan
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    Augmerson wrote: »
    Was anyone listening to the radio just now? I think it was Billy Timmons on? Jesus he was woeful. That was one of the worst interviews I've ever heard. Wasn't even asked any difficult questions.

    On Drivetime ? It was Terence Flanagan #carcrashradio . . not a good start for Renua. .


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    #126
    nice_guy80
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    Best of luck to them

    I'll give them a few months until I start reading their ideas


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    #127
    Ed_Stephens
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    Awful name, not a whole lot nua and if self-appointed financial expert Eddie Hobbs is in I'm out.


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    #128
    FalconGirl
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    As someone who was seeking a new party to support I'm bitterly disappointed from today launch. I hope things improve in the next few months but have my doubts. A very poor launch, nothing convincing at all.

    Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.


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    #129
    Iranoutofideas
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    One of the worst political debuts I've ever seen. Woeful across the board. Policy that looks like an afterthought, car crash interview on drivetime, facebook parody debacle because they never secured a presence on there to begin with, even the party name is ill-thought out.

    Looks like the good boat Renua is merely the Titanic rebranded - sunk on its maiden voyage.


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    #130
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Should have called it the Regressive Democrats.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #131
    Lovely Bloke
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    what was wrong with Flanagan? Totally lost it.


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    #132
    mariaalice
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    So have I got it right, its the party for the self employed and anti publics servants cohort of the electorate?.


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    #133
    Augmerson
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    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    what was wrong with Flanagan? Totally lost it.

    Not enough time to learn his lines.


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    #134
    Nodin
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    hallelujajordan wrote: »
    On Drivetime ? It was Terence Flanagan #carcrashradio . . not a good start for Renua. .

    Bizarre, really, seeing as he's no stranger to public life. It was like this was his first time being interviewed by anyone, ever.
    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/03/13/its-been-a-big-day-for-you/


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    #135
    Sheldons Brain
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    Ed_Stephens wrote: »
    Awful name, not a whole lot nua and if self-appointed financial expert Eddie Hobbs is in I'm out.

    Hobbs is no help. He was on the news there and stated that there should not be any restoration of public sector pay. So among all of the bomb disposal officers, biotechnology lecturers, IT specialists, paramedics, revenue audit specialists, cancer nurses and brain surgeons, none of these deserve anything after 15-30% cuts when the economy is growing at 4%+. Now he, and by extension his new party, could have had a policy of a measured restoration of PS pay, by reference to data on pay levels generally etc or some other systematic approach, but they went for the soundbite instead. This puts them on a par with SF.
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    #136
    MouseTail
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    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    what was wrong with Flanagan? Totally lost it.

    I haven't heard him speak before, so don't know if this is usual for him, but I have never cringed so much for anyone being interviewed, really felt for him.


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    #137
    Iranoutofideas
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    MouseTail wrote: »
    I haven't heard him speak before, so don't know if this is usual for him, but I have never cringed so much for anyone being interviewed, really felt for him.

    Why? It's the most basic skill required of any public professional, a highly paid one at that.

    He doesn't deserve an ounce of sympathy.


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    #138
    MouseTail
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    Of course he does, I know he is a serving TD, his politics are very far removed from mine, but on a human level it is very difficult to witness someone crash like that. He really sounded not well.


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    #139
    Brian Shanahan
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    So have I got it right, its the party for the self employed and anti publics servants cohort of the electorate?.

    For the rich self-employed set of the electorate who are pretending to live in Barbados or Monaco to evade their legal obligation to pay taxes. Most ordinary self-employed people would have nothing to do with Creighton's ilk, because they understand very well that she and hers don't want anything good for the ordinary person.


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    #140
    Ed_Stephens
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    Sheldons Brain wrote: »
    Hobbs is no help. He was on the news there and stated that there should not be any restoration of public sector pay. So among all of the bomb disposal officers, biotechnology lecturers, IT specialists, paramedics, revenue audit specialists, cancer nurses and brain surgeons, none of these deserve anything after 15-30% cuts when the economy is growing at 4%+. Now he, and by extension his new party, could have had a policy of a measured restoration of PS pay, by reference to data on pay levels generally etc or some other systematic approach, but they went for the soundbite instead. This puts them on a par with SF.
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    Yes summed it up quite nicely, there's a whole lot of public servants who would be willing to switch their vote from Labour and they could have gone for that market but it's the usual "root and branch" change in the public service which means cut costs and start firing people. Hobbs is such a divisive figure I think it's a really bad move to have him in such a senior role. As George Lee found out it's a lot easier to commentate on policy than it is to implement.


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    #141
    Brian Shanahan
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    Ed_Stephens wrote: »
    the usual "root and branch" change in the public service which means cut costs and start firing people.

    And of course the firing will mostly consist of those at the bottom and at the front line delivering the services, the management level will continue to bloat, and the consultants brought in at even higher costs simply to write policy to ensure that immoral and wrong activities of major companies is made legal. Politicians these days never stop to think of the good of their nation, just how best to pay back their donors and bribers.


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    #142
    Iranoutofideas
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    Talking about Renua now on radio 1. Panel discussion. Diarmuid Ferriter says they have major problem - Eddie Hobbs.

    Some spoofer was waffling on about the months of preparation that has been so impressive - they've got all the strategists, the data analysts, the social media experts....

    Host cut in "But no Facebook page?"

    "Eh I'll give you that."


    Depressing stuff. If Renua is the best effort from those against the status quo then we really are ****ed.


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    #143
    Ed_Stephens
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    Iranoutofideas wrote: »

    Depressing stuff. If Renua is the best effort from those against the status quo then we really are ****ed.

    The thing is that Lucinda is the status quo, she was the poster girl for FG for long enough. The whip system is a long way from perfect but is necessary to get through an agreed program for government which in coalitions, which proportional representation inevitably throws up is a necessary evil.They haven't even really cleared that up, some voting issues will be free votes, some won't be, what happens when someone rebels against Lucinda on a whipped vote?


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    #144
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Lucinda wants to go backwards from the status quo. It's the only reason this party exists at all. If FG are more liberal than you are, it should give you pause...

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #145
    For Reals
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    Iranoutofideas wrote: »
    Talking about Renua now on radio 1. Panel discussion. Diarmuid Ferriter says they have major problem - Eddie Hobbs.

    Some spoofer was waffling on about the months of preparation that has been so impressive - they've got all the strategists, the data analysts, the social media experts....

    Host cut in "But no Facebook page?"

    "Eh I'll give you that."


    Depressing stuff. If Renua is the best effort from those against the status quo then we really are ****ed.

    It's funny they sell themselves like that but from what I've seen so far they are a splinter FG and not so much new or nua. I believe they'll garner a few votes by those caught up in the PR, but it'll be straight in bed with FG first opportunity.


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    #146
    johnnyskeleton
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    Iranoutofideas wrote: »
    Some spoofer was waffling on about the months of preparation that has been so impressive - they've got all the strategists, the data analysts, the social media experts....

    Host cut in "But no Facebook page?"

    Leaving a gap for a parody page which is absolutely spot on, IMO:

    https://m.facebook.com/renuaireland

    Everything about this has been an absolute car crash to watch. As someone who might be persuaded to vote for a small party with a low tax mandate, liberal views and with a strong transparency / anti corruption morality, i see nothing in this party that would make me vote for them!


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    #147
    RainyDay
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    Ed_Stephens wrote: »
    Yes summed it up quite nicely, there's a whole lot of public servants who would be willing to switch their vote from Labour and they could have gone for that market but it's the usual "root and branch" change in the public service which means cut costs and start firing people. Hobbs is such a divisive figure I think it's a really bad move to have him in such a senior role. As George Lee found out it's a lot easier to commentate on policy than it is to implement.

    Many public servants would support a true 'root and branch' change in the public service. Many public servants are sick to their teeth of poor management, poor systems, poor prioritisation etc. But there is nothing here in Renua to indicate anything clever. There no sign of any evidence base to back up their policies - all 'back of the envelope' stuff that has no record of working in the real world.

    At least Eddie is honest about his plans and priorities, I'll give em that. They will be very, very lucky if anyone other than the well established TDs gets elected for their party in the next election.


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    #148
    nice_guy80
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    As a public servant I know multiple areas that money could be saved or better work practices introduced.

    But there's no mechanisms to get input from the people at the coalface


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    #149
    expectationlost
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    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    As a public servant I know multiple areas that money could be saved or better work practices introduced.

    But there's no mechanisms to get input from the people at the coalface

    pretty sure a read story two weeks ago about how there are payments for suggesting efficieny improving ideas in the public or civil service


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    #150
    Ed_Stephens
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    RainyDay wrote: »
    Many public servants would support a true 'root and branch' change in the public service. Many public servants are sick to their teeth of poor management, poor systems, poor prioritisation etc. But there is nothing here in Renua to indicate anything clever. There no sign of any evidence base to back up their policies - all 'back of the envelope' stuff that has no record of working in the real world.

    At least Eddie is honest about his plans and priorities, I'll give em that. They will be very, very lucky if anyone other than the well established TDs gets elected for their party in the next election.

    Eddie Hobbs is pure anti-public service ala Thatcher, I very much doubt his honesty as the investors he had in a property company he owned found out a while back, he also constantly plugs his newspaper writings, books and websites on any interview I've heard with him so I think Me fein describes him perfectly. This party can be wiped out by one of the other parties introducing prsi type benefits for the self-employed.

    Here's a Hobbs quote from a few years ago for that well known economic journal the Daily Star - Between increments and tax relief on pensions public servants are on a break even from the pay cuts.

    I can't see more than 3 being elected, maybe 5 depending on the constituencies they run in but with this weeks latest poll looking a lot better for FG and Labour they can form the next government with the help of some independents.


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    #151
    Ed_Stephens
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    expectationlost wrote: »
    pretty sure a read story two weeks ago about they are payments for suggesting efficieny improving ideas in the public or civil service

    Please send on a link but I would imagine it would involve your idea being taken on board by management and that's one thing they don't like doing. The grading system in the public service creates and encourages a them and us approach to people on the ground and managers. Management will always circle the wagons around each other and ensure the lower grades stay in their place. My experience in the public sector is that the structures are more important than the service.


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