Reboot Ireland - Regional Meetings prior to full party launch

Brussels Sprout

touts wrote: »

They have no proposals to put to the electorate. And most importantly they are keeping most of their members and staff secret even though they apparently have a nearly full backroom staff and a wide selection of candidates already selected. So they have nothing at all to put on a website or Facebook and no public timescale as to when any of that will be announced.

This was covered in the Cork talk:

They'll be announcing the name and policies on Mar 2nd. They didn't want to announce a list of policies when they made the first announcement in January as they wanted to get feedback first from prospective members before all that was set in stone.

They have no candidates selected yet. All candidates (including Creighton but obviously she's a shoe-in) will have to go through a selection process where they're voted on by national members. They want a selection process that ensures that candidates can't rely on local support only to get nominated.

Idbatterim

They'll be announcing the name and policies on Mar 2nd. They didn't want to announce a list of policies when they made the first announcement in January as they wanted to get feedback first from prospective members before all that was set in stone.

this makes sense, we arent talking about what we plan on doing for a school project here. I can only imagine where you would start on something like this, how it would evolve etc...

Berserker

FTA69 wrote: »

Load of nonsense really. They're offering the same centre-right agenda that Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael offer, possibly with a bit more of a socially conservative slant from Creighton.

Is this the same centre-right FF who increased SW at twice the rate of inflation during their reign?

touts wrote: »

The problem is the near total lack of content to put on the site. They haven't decided what they stand for. They have no proposals to put to the electorate.

Ditto for any of the parties or groups who have risen in the polls over the past few years. They just need to be outraged and opposed to any sort of charge that is likely to take money away from people. Where do the PBP, ULA, SF etc stand in relation to the environment, agriculture, justice and equality etc?

Idbatterim

Is this the same centre-right FF who increased SW at twice the rate of inflation during their reign?

I do believe it is the very same, the same party who took huge numbers out of the tax net every budget also... :rolleyes: Ironically those two issues are a large part of why were are in the massive hole we are in now!

FTA69

Berserker wrote: »

Is this the same centre-right FF who increased SW at twice the rate of inflation during their reign?

The same Fianna Fáil who engaged in casino-style, unregulated capitalism and presided over a massive wealth gap in Ireland, yes.

Idbatterim

lets just stay on topic, the comment above is covered in god knows how many other threads... If you think you will find anyone here who agrees with FF management of the economy or the blanket guarantee, you wont, so lets move on...

Brussels Sprout

RTE Radio 1 did a piece about the latest meeting which was held in Limerick. You can listen to it here.

Idbatterim

Lads do I need to register to attend this meeting?


Thurs 26th Feb - Dublin South, Tara Towers - (Time: 20:00-21:30)

Jolly Red Giant

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

RTE Radio 1 did a piece about the latest meeting which was held in Limerick. You can listen to it here.

I hear that there was about 50 people at it - and Lucinda met the Chamber of Commerce (must have been looking for some of the €1million she needs for her reboot of failed right-wing policies).

BoJack Horseman

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

she needs for her reboot of failed right-wing policies).

Which are?

gandalf

Idbatterim wrote: »

Lads do I need to register to attend this meeting?


Thurs 26th Feb - Dublin South, Tara Towers - (Time: 20:00-21:30)

Yep you seem to have to alright.

This is the link for it.

https://secure.rebootireland.com/register-supporters-meeting

Brussels Sprout

Idbatterim wrote: »

Lads do I need to register to attend this meeting?


Thurs 26th Feb - Dublin South, Tara Towers - (Time: 20:00-21:30)

Yes

Shurimgreat

I think reboot could do well in the next general election. There is huge dissatisfaction with all the existing parties and people are crying out for change of some sort or another. I know reboot mightn't be hugely different but people are so unhappy they will give any new party a chance. I would say they could pick up 5-6 seats and as high as 10 on a good day which might give them the balance of power. And they would take votes from all the main parties not just one or two.

Muahahaha

I'm holding fire on Creighton's party for now. I don't think that the abortion issue will be as big as the media are making out.

Thus far they are the only party who seem to be promising reform of the public service, FF/FG/Lab don't want to touch this area despite the huge need for it to be tackled. We now have a situation where public sector wages are up to 40% higher than their private sector equivalents and the majority of people are paying for that through taxation.

petronius

The hope is that a new party will be able to serve all the people and not the vested interests which FG LAB and FF do
And new thinking and not following like lemmings the diktats of europe
2011 was a lost opportunity when Labour and Fine Gael got their greasy hands on power they just stuffed their pockets with ministerial salaries and jobs for the boys and continued with the FF-Trokia plan
No new politics
the same party whip system
the same quangos and waste
and increasing hospital waiting lists

RobertKK

They are planning on running a candidate in the Carlow/Kilkenny byelection, the Reboot Ireland councillor from Offaly was on the Marc Coleman show before that show ended, and he answered my text when I asked that question.

So that should be their first outing.

touts

RobertKK wrote: »

They are planning on running a candidate in the Carlow/Kilkenny byelection, the Reboot Ireland councillor from Offaly was on the Marc Coleman show before that show ended, and he answered my text when I asked that question.

So that should be their first outing.

By all accounts they have candidates already lined up in most constituencies for the general election so it is quite likely that they have someone for the by-election. The question will be if they can put a support network behind the anointed ones.

Dyr

It's amazing that there's people out there who think that what Ireland really needs is Fine Gael with more rosary beads

LuckyLloyd

While I vote very left wing and will likely give my first preference to Murphy in the next GE, I would welcome a genuine right wing party, one that was liberal in terms of social issues and very conservative economically. A party pushing an ideology of:

- true equality, inclusion and separation between church and state on all social matters;
- lowering of income tax and reduction of services;
- pro employer / business in terms of regulation and employment policies;
- hard line review and reform of public sector including an attempt to break the unions;

would be very welcome indeed. FG / FF / Labour are all the same really and inhabit a broad center with a built in flexibility to incorporate whatever policies are necessary to win an election. A proper right wing party would help to highlight how they are all the same.

Ultimately, if FG and FF would band together to form a 'Christian Centrist' party and Labour were obliterated we could open up the space to have real national level politics. We'd have a hard left / populist left of center (SF) / Christian Center / true right wing new party.

I think that mix would serve to really sharpen up policy platforms and offer real choice to the electorate.

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I'm not seeing that from everything I've read and heard about this new party of course:

Bambi wrote: »

Fine Gael with more rosary beads

Sounds correct.

Boulevardier

Luckylloyd, you strike me as a very odd kind of "very left wing" voter.

LuckyLloyd

Boulevardier wrote: »

Luckylloyd, you strike me as a very odd kind of "very left wing" voter.

Why?

Brian Shanahan

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I think reboot could do well in the next general election. There is huge dissatisfaction with all the existing parties and people are crying out for change of some sort or another. I know reboot mightn't be hugely different but people are so unhappy they will give any new party a chance. I would say they could pick up 5-6 seats and as high as 10 on a good day which might give them the balance of power. And they would take votes from all the main parties not just one or two.

They won't. Their whole platform is "the policies of failure have failed. We must make them work again."

The reboot crowd are simply FGs right wing (for an already very right wing party) with John Charles McQuaid tagged on.

MouseTail

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Why?

Because you are seeking the re-formation of the PDs.

LuckyLloyd

MouseTail wrote: »

Because you are seeking the re-formation of the PDs.

I wouldn't vote for the PDs but I can see a strong value to having such a party. While the majority of people in this country have a petty view of politics and like to engage in the charade that is FF / FG / Labour pretending to be different, it is possible to take an objective view of what everyone actually represents in terms of ideology and ask for all of the spectrum to be filled.

Boulevardier

Because you seem to like this sort of stuff:

"lowering of income tax and reduction of services;
- pro employer / business in terms of regulation and employment policies;
- hard line review and reform of public sector including an attempt to break the unions"

RainyDay

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

The night finished off with 2 more talks. One was about the structure of the party and how it was forming policy. The interesting take-away here was that the party has been in the works since last April and there are a whole host of back room staff already employed for as much as 6 months. All of the key positions have been filled apart from the Director of Elections (which will be filled within the next month) and the chief financial officer.

This smells iffy. Who is paying for this 'whole host of back room staff'? What is the legal entity that is employing them? How have they been recruited (without anyone hearing a whisper of a recruitment process)?

touts wrote: »

By all accounts they have candidates already lined up in most constituencies for the general election so it is quite likely that they have someone for the by-election.

This smells iffy. The best they could get for the launch is 1 independent councillor, and now they suddenly have selected candidates for every constituency? Really?

gandalf

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

They won't. Their whole platform is "the policies of failure have failed. We must make them work again."

The reboot crowd are simply FGs right wing (for an already very right wing party) with John Charles McQuaid tagged on.

Well I will withhold judgement until I have heard and see what they have to offer.

Make no mistake if it does turn out to be the "holy rosary" brigade I and I would reckon an awful lot of others will be exiting stage left rapidly and they will die as a party.

If they can park their religious tendencies, do what they are saying and really set out a proper reform agenda then they will be successful. That's why I am giving them a chance.

MouseTail

gandalf wrote: »

If they can park their religious tendencies, do what they are saying and really set out a proper reform agenda then they will be successful. That's why I am giving them a chance.

But you wont know if they have parked their religious tendencies. I like to know where parties stand on issues such as marriage equality or reproduction rights, not some cop out like not implementing the whip, and votes of conscience.

LuckyLloyd

Boulevardier wrote: »

Because you seem to like this sort of stuff:

"lowering of income tax and reduction of services;
- pro employer / business in terms of regulation and employment policies;
- hard line review and reform of public sector including an attempt to break the unions"

I would hold the opposite position to the first two points, I'm not afraid of anyone holding them however.

Idbatterim

hey won't. Their whole platform is "the policies of failure have failed. We must make them work again."

The reboot crowd are simply FGs right wing (for an already very right wing party) with John Charles McQuaid tagged on.

right wing great, thats a new option for us then, take a look at the parties in the Uk, the tories which would be deemed right, but not far right over there, make FG look like the far left!

We are in this position to mostly electing "whatever you are having yourself parties, no basis in merit, just vote for us and we will reward you financially" this is a bit of a problem when you are attempting to buy off every different sector of the electorate...

http://www.ukip.org/tories_hamstrung_on_welfare_reform

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/conservatives-focusing-on-welfare-reforms-ahead-of-elections_1548177.html

London: Prime Minister David Cameron on Tuesday said that if his Conservative party comes to power after the general election this year it would effect radical changes to benefit welfare schemes in the country.

Cameron said "Young people out of work, education or training for six months will have to do unpaid community work to get benefits if the Tories win the election."

He said about 50,000 18-21-year-olds would be required to do daily work experience from day one of their claim, alongside job searching.

"The welfare shake up would make sure young people don't get sucked into a life on welfare," he said in a speech.

Labour has promised a jobs guarantee for the young unemployed. The Conservatives are focusing on welfare reforms this week as they draw up battle lines ahead of May's general election.

Their proposed Community Work Programme will cost about 20 million pounds to deliver, paid for by "initial savings" from the delivery of Universal Credit.

Those aged between 18 and 21 who have not been in employment, education or training, known as "Neets", for six months would no longer receive Job Seekers' Allowance (JSA).

Instead, they would be paid the Youth Allowance, paid at the same rate as JSA - 57.35 pounds a week.

However, in order to receive it they would be required to carry out 30 hours a week of mandatory community work from the first day of claiming benefits.

This could involve making meals for older people or working for local charities, alongside 10 hours of job hunting.

Cameron said, "our goal is effectively to abolish long-term youth unemployment. That well-worn path - from the school gate, down to the Job Centre, and onto a life on benefits - has go to be rubbed away".

"To achieve that we have set a bold expectation:? When you leave college, you should either be earning or learning. Doing an apprenticeship, studying at university or college, or doing a job. And the right incentives have got to be there to encourage this," he said.

"We've already said that with a Conservative Government - save in exceptional circumstances - it will only be possible for a young person to claim Housing benefit when they move out if they have a job," Cameron added.