springer (when to give up )

snipe49

patton69 wrote: »

spoke to a buddy of mine very knowledgeable when it comes to spaniels hes done it all trust me hes just started helping me with my own young dog he said give that dog a few more chases even better if the dog catches or nearly catches a rabbit give it time and patience they dont all hunt at 6 months and his best bitch wasnt even smelling the ground at 8 months and youd give your leg for her give her time.

patience and repitition it works every time i think is what hathcock said to me on another springer thread maybe he should be taking his own advice

This would be ok if he had a back up dog' then he wait and see.But it would be a shame if on the first day of next season he brought her out only to see her walk beside him.

dodderangler

snipe49 wrote: »

This would be ok if he had a back up dog' then he wait and see.But it would be a shame if on the first day of next season he brought her out only to see her walk beside him.

But season doesn't starts for months. So he has a good while to get the dog working. Longer evenings and plenty f rabbits about.

foxslayer

Your better off listening to your friend cos certain people on this think they no everything and they haven't a clue the muppet show springs to mind don't give up on the dog as was said already rabbit's rabbits and more rabbits best of look

patton69

crusty and bozo i showed my buddy some of their youtube videos and he fell off his chair laughing its people like me trying to learn taking their bad advice sure ya wouldnt know any better

snipe49

patton69 wrote: »

crusty and bozo i showed my buddy some of their youtube videos and he fell off his chair laughing its people like me trying to learn taking their bad advice sure ya wouldnt know any better

Sorry but would u be including me in that.

patton69

ya the hunting vid he reckons you shouldnt be talking to your dogs at all at least very very minimal and that there was no cover in under the trees and the big dog refused the bit of cover you tried to put him into he reckons the dog should be geting their head right down and getting right in under the cover and hitting it without having to be told all the time he said a good spaniel doesnt have to be put into cover they be heading to it themselves this was all news to me look im sorry i said anything now im sure your a nice guy and i never intended to insult anyone ill delete my posts if you request me to

snipe49

patton69 wrote: »

ya the hunting vid he reckons you shouldnt be talking to your dogs at all at least very very minimal and that there was no cover in under the trees and the big dog refused the bit of cover you tried to put him into he reckons the dog should be geting their head right down and getting right in under the cover and hitting it without having to be told all the time he said a good spaniel doesnt have to be put into cover they be heading to it themselves this was all news to me look im sorry i said anything now im sure your a nice guy and i never intended to insult anyone ill delete my posts if you request me to[/QUOTE
I've been shotting 35 years and would never run down any ones dog i never said that was heavy cover and my dogs are fine for me. If your pal want's to see my dogs in heavy cover i can do a vid of them. Where are his dogs on u tube so i can watch great dog then.

staghunter

hathcock wrote: »

Offer the op a grand for his dog and you'll make another grand in two months if you are right,I'm sure he'd be happy to deal.

Did I not say every dog is different.why would I offer him a grand for a dog that isn't working.that would be stupid like alot of the suggestions on this thread!.

hathcock

staghunter wrote: »

Did I not say every dog is different.why would I offer him a grand for a dog that isn't working.that would be stupid like alot of the suggestions on this thread!.

You're the one that saw a useless dog only fit for shooting turn into a super dog in two months,by that logic you could make yourself some handy money by taking useless dogs holding them for two months and selling them for two grand.

patton69

hathcock wrote: »

You're the one that saw a useless dog only fit for shooting turn into a super dog in two months,by that logic you could make yourself some handy money by taking useless dogs holding them for two months and selling them for two grand.

how come your selling an 18 month old bitch did you not realise until then she wasnt any good

staghunter

hathcock wrote: »

You're the one that saw a useless dog only fit for shooting turn into a super dog in two months,by that logic you could make yourself some handy money by taking useless dogs holding them for two months and selling them for two grand.

If you want to use that logic of with ya.why would anyone spend one thousand euro on a dog that isn't working.what I'm trying to say is that eight months is very early to make your mind up on a dog.I've seen dogs turned inside out with a new handler or a different approach to training them.I'm not saying it will work but at eight months it's worth a go.it's not like he needs the dog working in the next two weeks

hathcock

patton69 wrote: »

how come your selling an 18 month old bitch did you not realise until then she wasnt any good

By your own admission you don't know one end of a dog from the other,best to be quiet on matters you don't understand.By the way she is a good dog,check out the youtube vid woodcock hunt in ireland,it will educate you .

patton69

hathcock wrote: »

By your own admission you don't know one end of a dog from the other,best to be quiet on matters you don't understand.By the way she is a good dog,check out the youtube vid woodcock hunt in ireland,it will educate you .

not 1 end of a spaniel maybe .. ive hunted and trained other breeds i very much know 1 end of a dog from another and i know this much good dogs are easy sell , why are you selling her there must be some fault is it that she wont stay inside cover or has she hard mouth

which i suspect my own pup might have he has quite the grip.

snipe49 i am truely sorry for running down your dogs who the f am i to do that apologies

ESB Spaniel

Hathcock you must going through dogs like a hot knife through butter the way your talking.... I know lads that don't fire shots over pups till they 12 months or older.

dodderangler

hathcock wrote: »

By your own admission you don't know one end of a dog from the other,best to be quiet on matters you don't understand.By the way she is a good dog,check out the youtube vid woodcock hunt in ireland,it will educate you .

You selling that dog plus another dog that I assume was sold and then you got a 4 month old cocker?
If they're good why did you sell em

hathcock

ESB Spaniel wrote: »

Hathcock you must going through dogs like a hot knife through butter the way your talking.... I know lads that don't fire shots over pups till they 12 months or older.

A section from one of your posts............my first season with oddie she was only 6 months old and shot a fair bit of game with her. Flying now, will be doing the same with the young bitch i have now....

hathcock

dodderangler wrote: »

You selling that dog plus another dog that I assume was sold and then you got a 4 month old cocker?
If they're good why did you sell em

You are assuming that nobody sells a good dog,a very cynical view,as suggested earlier have a look at the video and you can see the bitch in action,then tell me your opinion.

dodderangler

hathcock wrote: »

You are assuming that nobody sells a good dog,a very cynical view,as suggested earlier have a look at the video and you can see the bitch in action,then tell me your opinion.

Dont need to see your video.
Why would anyone sell a good dog that works and hunts and has no faults??

staghunter

dodderangler wrote: »

Dont need to see your video.
Why would anyone sell a good dog that works and hunts and has no faults??

Infairness I no alot of lads that train dogs for sale.that's more or less all they do.

hathcock

dodderangler wrote: »

Dont need to see your video.
Why would anyone sell a good dog that works and hunts and has no faults??

To make money.......

ESB Spaniel

I said nothing about firing shots over my dogs... I do it early as well....but I'm not moving dogs on at that age... My previous comment was that I know a few lads that don't fire shots over their dogs At 12 months or older. And that bitch I have is the same bitch in all my videos....getting rid of pups at that age is madness.

Vegeta

Several discussions on dogs have required mod action recently. There is a danger of getting heated when discussing a topic we are passionate about so this is just a reminder to observe the rules in the charter. A difference of opinion does not open the door for personal insults.

tikkahunter

hathcock wrote: »

To make money.......

Dont know why lads find this so hard to comprehend .A small bit of time can put 400-500 in your arse pocket.

tikkahunter

The question is at 8 months what can the dog do, at at 8 months it should be walking to heel , walking on the lead without pulling,sit stay and be retrieving tennis balls from a staying position on left and right and retrieving blinds from cover at a minimum if it cant do these then the ground work has not been done and you are just wasting your time because even if the penny drops with the dog it will have no manners and just hunt for its self.You only get out what you put in.Just because the land has loads of rabbits on it doesnt mean the dog will start hunting them, some dogs need to be taught more than others and that is where proper dummy work comes into play be teaching the dog how use its nose to find dummys ,cold game etc.But main thing is learn to crawl before you can walk dont try and run because you will just fall

patton69

is the time and effort really worth 500 dont think so a good well trained hard dog by the looks of it to me would be twice that price so youd think 1 for half that price your hand would be taken off does the video just show the best bits like a trailer for a movie looks deadly in a 3 min vid but dirt in reality

hathcock

patton69 wrote: »

is the time and effort really worth 500 dont think so a good well trained hard dog by the looks of it to me would be twice that price so youd think 1 for half that price your hand would be taken off does the video just show the best bits like a trailer for a movie looks deadly in a 3 min vid but dirt in reality

First of all you said you didn't watch the video,and by your own admission you wouldn't be able to make a judgement one way or the other anyway.

patton69

hathcock are you the guy that went through 30 dogs in 3 years

dodderangler

patton69 wrote: »

hathcock are you the guy that went through 30 dogs in 3 years

30 in 3 years? What??
How does someone go through thirty dogs in 3 years? Eating them or something?

hathcock

dodderangler wrote: »

30 in 3 years? What??
How does someone go through thirty dogs in 3 years? Eating them or something?

They're fair tasty,have you nothing to say about my latest thread?>

patton69

hathcock wrote: »

They're fair tasty,have you nothing to say about my latest thread?>

so it is you care to explain that 1 what was it none of them would hunt got rid of by six months mostly can you explain this