Man commits suicide after taking magic mushrooms

Xcellor

Condolences to the family. This is a tragedy, a young family too.

http://www.herald.ie/news/familys-plea-after-tragedy-of-dad-who-took-stag-trip-drugs-30969051.html

I would expect after 72 hours any effects of the magic mushrooms would have worn off. The article states he never suffered from depression though...

I've never taken magic mushrooms so can't say but I'm just curious on whether the effects could make a normal guy do something like this?

Menas

Xcellor wrote: »

Condolences to the family. This is a tragedy, a young family too.

http://www.herald.ie/news/familys-plea-after-tragedy-of-dad-who-took-stag-trip-drugs-30969051.html

I would expect after 72 hours any effects of the magic mushrooms would have worn off. The article states he never suffered from depression though...

I've never taken magic mushrooms so can't say but I'm just curious on whether the effects could make a normal guy do something like this?

Hallucinogens can stay in the system for a long time. Acid flashbacks can happen months/years after you consumed the acid (I know that one from sorry experience).

http://www.lsdaddiction.us/content/acid-flashbacks.html

Dog of Tears

In other news, man commits suicide after drinking glass of water.

Water to be banned.

bleg

RIP

You cannot infer mushrooms cause people to kill themselves though.

MonkeyTennis

Theres a website called lsd addiction??

No person in the world EVER got addicted to LSD. Its unpossible

DoYouEvenLift

Maybe someone else will know, I don't know much about shrooms, but it could be possible that something in them triggered latent mental problems in him just like high THC strains of weed can do to some people.


If one was ever going to try a hallucinogen it'd really be better to go with DMT. Although that'd probably be too much for a first time experience lol. I know someone who worked their way up from shrooms to LSD before DMT and they couldn't put the experience into words, but said it should be mandatory for everyone.

elefant

Xcellor wrote: »

Condolences to the family. This is a tragedy, a young family too.

http://www.herald.ie/news/familys-plea-after-tragedy-of-dad-who-took-stag-trip-drugs-30969051.html

I would expect after 72 hours any effects of the magic mushrooms would have worn off. The article states he never suffered from depression though...

I've never taken magic mushrooms so can't say but I'm just curious on whether the effects could make a normal guy do something like this?

I know plenty of people in Amsterdam who have taken them and none have had any lasting effects. You can just buy them over the counter here.

The description of his level of remorse having taken some legal drugs (and what sounds like a very small amount from the article) on a stag-do seems quite unusual.

RIP.

Sir Gallagher

Dog of Tears wrote: »

In other news, man commits suicide after drinking glass of water.

Water to be banned.

Edgy.

somesoldiers

I've taken them, both picked directly from the field and across the counter. Never had any lasting effects, if anything the ones across the counter were more predictable and more of a giggle effect than hallucinations. The field produced 50/50 good and bad trips, though taking them before you meet your girlfriend or before going in to work in the local disco collecting glasses probably wasn't the best time to do them- ah the innocence of the young somesoldiers

AndonHandon

/inb4 stoners shuffle in

kieran.

My guess would be, he was remorseful for trying more than a few shrooms on the Stag couldnt live with the guilt and ended it all. RIP

AndonHandon

AndonHandon wrote: »

/inb4 stoners shuffle in

You've a bit of time yet, it's only just after 10am. Sure the bong water won't be changed for another hour at least.

kylith

There is a damn sight more going on here than shrooms making him kill himself.

Riesen_Meal

kieran. wrote: »

My guess would be, he was remorseful for trying more than a few shrooms on the Stag couldnt live with the guilt and ended it all. RIP

I thought that and didn't want to say it, so thanks for saying it Kieran, lol....

SterlingArcher

Xcellor wrote: »

Condolences to the family. This is a tragedy, a young family too.

http://www.herald.ie/news/familys-plea-after-tragedy-of-dad-who-took-stag-trip-drugs-30969051.html

I would expect after 72 hours any effects of the magic mushrooms would have worn off. The article states he suffered from depression though...

I've never taken magic mushrooms so can't say but I'm just curious on whether the effects could make a normal guy do something like this?

Used in a certain US prison to torture inmates. Need I say more.

kylith

kieran. wrote: »

My guess would be, he was remorseful for trying more than a few shrooms on the Stag couldnt live with the guilt and ended it all. RIP

Especially telling his partner that she deserved better.

I feel sorry for the family, but I really think there's more going on than a few shrooms.

I've only taken our own ones, would anyone be able to confirm what the effects of four Amsterdam truffles would be?

elefant

kylith wrote: »

Especially telling his partner that she deserved better.

I feel sorry for the family, but I really think there's more going on than a few shrooms.

I've only taken our own ones, would anyone be able to confirm what the effects of four Amsterdam truffles would be?

If it was literally four pieces he ate, I would say very minimal. You would buy a box at a time with loads of small truffles in it (I'd hazard a guess at 20, but i'm not sure).

Egginacup

It sounds like he had deep psychological problems. The article keeps referring to the "guilt" he felt after taking a few mushrooms.
For fcuks sake was the poor guy so consumed that any departure from a life of rigid adherence would make him kill himself?


"He was so disappointed in what he did" ??

There's more to this story than meets the eye.

bodice ripper

kylith wrote: »

Especially telling his partner that she deserved better.

I feel sorry for the family, but I really think there's more going on than a few shrooms.

I've only taken our own ones, would anyone be able to confirm what the effects of four Amsterdam truffles would be?

Milder than actual mushrooms, by and large.

Easier to blame mushrooms than to imagine a loved one having mental health issues though.

Egginacup

kylith wrote: »

There is a damn sight more going on here than shrooms making him kill himself.

Returning from the free and easy life of Amsterdam to the drudgery of Tipperary maybe.

SEPT 23 1989

psychosis was probably triggered by the mushrooms

I could only imagine what he descended into

terrible way to go

RIP

Ihatecuddles

One of the last sentences in such a serious and sad article. Seems such an odd thing to say!

His heartbroken father said his son had described Amsterdam as “a dump”.

Candy_Girl

He only took a small amount and at the most I'd say could last up to two days, in regards to flash backs I'd imaging that's something that comes from using drugs regularly or long term not a one off? Maybe he hit a real low after the high of the drugs and drink and couldn't handle it. Sure who knows...it's sad.

kylith

bodice ripper wrote: »

Milder than actual mushrooms, by and large.

Easier to blame mushrooms than to imagine a loved one having mental health issues though.

True.

If I heard of someone killing themselves after a trip to 'Dam after telling his partner that he wasn't good enough for her my money would be on - got plastered on booze, woke up with a prostitute/random woman from pub, felt guilty, discovered he had caught something, and couldn't face telling his partner that he'd cheated on her and potentially infected her.

Ihatecuddles

kylith wrote: »

True.

If I heard of someone killing themselves after a trip to 'Dam after telling his partner that he wasn't good enough for her my money would be on - got plastered on booze, woke up with a prostitute/random woman from pub, felt guilty, discovered he had caught something, and couldn't face telling his partner that he'd cheated on her and potentially infected her.

Unfortunately that's the first thing I thought of, without the STD part though.

suicide_circus

Hallucinogens are not for everyone and can take a serious toll on an inexperienced user. This case would be at the extreme end of the scale and I would hazard a guess that this chap had preexisting difficulties.

J Mysterio

Might be the lad visited the window ladies or the like? I can't see how the mushrooms could trigger guilt? Terrible story anyway, feel bad for his family.

Tombo2001

boards.ie seems to be the place where people come to defend drug consumption and try to make out that it has nothing to do with mental health issues. Its kind of like the Iona Institute for illegal drugs.

kylith

J Mysterio wrote: »

Might be the lad visited the window ladies or the like? I can't see how the mushrooms could trigger guilt? Terrible story anyway, feel bad for his family.

Guilt would be something if he'd done anything wrong, but they're perfectly legal in Amsterdam. It'd be like someone killing themselves after a trip to Ireland because they'd had a pint of Guinness.

ETA: and his mates aren't likely to 'fess up if he had been with the window ladies. Better to let his family think that he was guilty about drugs than had been unfaithful.

suicide_circus

Tombo2001 wrote: »

boards.ie seems to be the place where people come to defend drug consumption and try to make out that it has nothing to do with mental health issues. Its kind of like the Iona Institute for illegal drugs.

They are not illegal in the Netherlands.

J Mysterio

Tombo2001 wrote: »

boards.ie seems to be the place where people come to defend drug consumption and try to make out that it has nothing to do with mental health issues. Its kind of like the Iona Institute for illegal drugs.

Ireland is awash with drugs. Try find any decent party where there isnt at least one lad who brought the schmoke. And that's just the fluffy stuff.

J Mysterio

kylith wrote: »

Guilt would be something if he'd done anything wrong, but they're perfectly legal in Amsterdam. It'd be like someone killing themselves after a trip to Ireland because they'd had a pint of Guinness

I'm saying the lad may well have visited a lady of the night to achieve that level of soul destroying guilt.

newmug

Fcukin hell. There's a reason drugs are illegal kids! Say no to drugs.

kylith

J Mysterio wrote: »

I'm saying the lad may well have visited a lady of the night to achieve that level of soul destroying guilt.

Sorry, I phrased it badly - I agree with you. I meant that getting guilty about taking shrooms in Amsterdam would be like getting guilty about drinking beer in Ireland.

RecordStraight

Tombo2001 wrote: »

boards.ie seems to be the place where people come to defend drug consumption and try to make out that it has nothing to do with mental health issues. Its kind of like the Iona Institute for illegal drugs.

I'd be in favour of legalisation, so I'm not some sort of anti-drug zealot - but, my god, there a lot of people in denial here about the harm drugs can do to your mental health.

Friend of mine underwent a complete personality change after spending a bit too long smoking during his years in Amsterdam. He seems to suffer from paranoia all the time now, always quick to take offence if he thinks he's the butt of a joke.

Xcellor

Ihatecuddles wrote: »

One of the last sentences in such a serious and sad article. Seems such an odd thing to say!

Reckon his dad is just venting wanting anything/anyone/any place to pitch the blame.

Tombo2001

Tombo2001 wrote: »

boards.ie seems to be the place where people come to defend drug consumption and try to make out that it has nothing to do with mental health issues. Its kind of like the Iona Institute for illegal drugs.

Careful now, expressing a dissenting opinion to that of the regular marijuana user can lead to rabid abuse and accusations of trolling.

Best steer clear of criticising Sinn Fein and Ming Flanagan too.

There is no debate or argument.

Tombo2001

RecordStraight wrote: »

I'd be in favour of legalisation, so I'm not some sort of anti-drug zealot - but, my god, there a lot of people in denial here about the harm drugs can do to your mental health.

Friend of mine underwent a complete personality change after spending a bit too long smoking during his years in Amsterdam. He seems to suffer from paranoia all the time now, always quick to take offence if he thinks he's the butt of a joke.

Its the same school of thought that says "my granddad lived til he was 90 and smoked every day of his life, and they never did him any harm".

renegademaster

Alan’s devastated partner, Oonagh Heeney, claimed he was reluctant to try magic mushrooms on the trip.


“He had everything to live for. We were getting married the following November,” she told a Cork Coroner’s inqust.


it's quite obvious that he didn't



“The tragedy is that he didn’t really want to go on that stag party trip in the first place.”


“Alan never took drugs [before].... he felt so guilty after taking them,” she added.


so his guilt for taking the mildest form of magic mushrooms trumped the guilt of leaving his loved ones in bits after shooting himself?



Oonagh said her partner went to Amsterdam a happy, hard-working young man, devoted to his children and family but he returned a changed
person because of the drugs.


His older brother, Tom, issued an emotional appeal on behalf of the Bourke family for young people to realise the devastation and damage that drugs can cause.


“Alan was not a drug user and it is our opinion that the drugs he took were a significant contributory factor in his death,” Tom said.


“We would like to highlight the devastating effect that taking illegal substances can have on families.


except they were totally legal in the Dam!!



“Our family is a living testament to the damage and devastation that can result from a once-off recreational drug use.


there has to have been some totally unrelated underlying reason why a grown man would shoot himself 72 hours after taking the mildest form of mushrooms

kylith

RecordStraight wrote: »

I'd be in favour of legalisation, so I'm not some sort of anti-drug zealot - but, my god, there a lot of people in denial here about the harm drugs can do to your mental health.

Friend of mine underwent a complete personality change after spending a bit too long smoking during his years in Amsterdam. He seems to suffer from paranoia all the time now, always quick to take offence if he thinks he's the butt of a joke.

Dope won't suit some people like booze won't suit some people. I know more people who are happy and productive members of society who smoke dope than whose lives have been destroyed by it.

Weed and shrooms are basically harmless to 99.9999999% of people. You're not going to find anyone saying that heroin or crack are grand.

Tasden

kylith wrote: »

Sorry, I phrased it badly - I agree with you. I meant that getting guilty about taking shrooms in Amsterdam would be like getting guilty about drinking beer in Ireland.

From my reading of it it seems that the drugs just caused the initial feelings of guilt/paranoia generally. And because the drugs were the last "guilty" thing he had done that was what he focused in on and it went from there. It's not like he was thinking with a clear head so to speak.

His poor family and the kids. Very sad.

RecordStraight

renegademaster wrote: »

Alan’s devastated partner, Oonagh Heeney, claimed he was reluctant to try magic mushrooms on the trip.


“He had everything to live for. We were getting married the following November,” she told a Cork Coroner’s inqust.


it's quite obvious that he didn't



“The tragedy is that he didn’t really want to go on that stag party trip in the first place.”


“Alan never took drugs [before].... he felt so guilty after taking them,” she added.


so his guilt for taking the mildest form of magic mushrooms trumped the guilt of leaving his loved ones in bits after shooting himself?



Oonagh said her partner went to Amsterdam a happy, hard-working young man, devoted to his children and family but he returned a changed
person because of the drugs.


His older brother, Tom, issued an emotional appeal on behalf of the Bourke family for young people to realise the devastation and damage that drugs can cause.


“Alan was not a drug user and it is our opinion that the drugs he took were a significant contributory factor in his death,” Tom said.


“We would like to highlight the devastating effect that taking illegal substances can have on families.


except they were totally legal in the Dam!!



“Our family is a living testament to the damage and devastation that can result from a once-off recreational drug use.

there has to have been some totally unrelated underlying reason why a grown man would shoot himself 72 hours after taking the mildest form of mushrooms

There has to be? Has to? :rolleyes:

I don't think the family are suggesting it was his guilt over taking the drugs that made him kill himself - rather that the 'guilt' seems to have been a symptom of whatever the drug did to his brain chemistry.

strobe

Truffles are very mild. I've taken them as have several people I know. No of us would have had an effect from four of them. It'd be like drinking a shot glass of wine. You'd generally be talking 15-20 before getting psychedelic effects and then only relatively tame, very slight visuals etc. And your pretty much entirely back to normal/baseline after 5 or 6 hours.
Maybe they were some super strong species, maybe they were gigantic GM Truffles, or maybe he was extraordinarily sensitive. But they are far greater and more grasping assumptions to make than there is more at play here than "the shooms made him suicidle/insane."

DellyBelly

I'd say what happened is that he cheated on the fiance in the red light district he was feeling guilty and the rooms made him even more paranoid and the guilt got the better of him...very sad story

kylith

Tasden wrote: »

From my reading of it it seems that the drugs just caused the initial feelings of guilt/paranoia generally. And because the drugs were the last "guilty" thing he had done that was what he focused in on and it went from there. It's not like he was thinking with a clear head so to speak.

His poor family and the kids. Very sad.

Maybe, but we don't know if they actually were the last 'guilty' thing he had done. It's possible that he woke up with another woman, or a man, and that is what affected him so badly.

RecordStraight

kylith wrote: »

Weed and shrooms are basically harmless to 99.9999999% of people. You're not going to find anyone saying that heroin or crack are grand.

Just my luck then that the only friend I have who was a heavy cannabis smoker is the one person in a billion who was susceptible to this type of brain damage.

daRobot

It's an awful shame. RIP

They probably triggered a psychotic episode and he was unable to sleep (making it worse and worse) which culminated in a self inflicted gunshot.

Many people will be fine with mild mushrooms like this, but many wont, and that's the dice you roll when tripping.

kylith

RecordStraight wrote: »

Just my luck then that the only friend I have who was a heavy cannabis smoker is the one person in a billion who was susceptible to this type of brain damage.

Maybe it is just bad luck. Maybe he was a waster to start with. Maybe his family has a history of mental illness. Maybe he was on more than just weed.

But saying 'smoking weed makes you a brain damaged, paranoid mess' is like saying that everyone who drinks will become an alcoholic.

suicide_circus

strobe wrote: »

Truffles are very mild. I've taken them as have several people I know. No of us would have had an effect from four of them. It'd be like drinking a shot glass of wine. You'd generally be talking 15-20 before getting psychedelic effects and then only relatively tame, very slight visuals etc. And your pretty much entirely back to normal/baseline after 5 or 6 hours.

I have to say, a eh...friend, yeah a friend of mine has tripped and when say tripped I'm talking tripping absolute balls for about 8 hours on dutch truffles. That said, that was after eating about 30 of them.

Tasden

kylith wrote: »

Maybe, but we don't know if they actually were the last 'guilty' thing he had done. It's possible that he woke up with another woman, or a man, and that is what affected him so badly.

I dunno, I'm not understanding why people are automatically assuming the man cheated on his (now grieving) soon to be wife. There could be any number of reasons he felt guilty but my point was from what the family have said it doesn't seem like it was a case of him in a clear sober state just having an ott case of guilt for taking drugs (or whatever).

RecordStraight

kylith wrote: »

Maybe it is just bad luck. Maybe he was a waster to start with. Maybe his family has a history of mental illness. Maybe he was on more than just weed.

1. Nope - Commerce graduate, 2:1
2. Nope
3. Nope

kylith wrote: »

But saying 'smoking weed makes you a brain damaged, paranoid mess' is like saying that everyone who drinks will become an alcoholic.

I don't think anyone is saying that. But it clearly does damage the brain chemistry of different people to different degrees. Personally, I don't think it's worth trying to stop people taking drugs if they want to - it's your body after all. But let's not pretend there is no harm in it.