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Man gets €840 a week on welfare

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    #32
    floggg
    Registered Users Posts: 5,820 ✭✭✭floggg


    Galway K9 wrote: »
    Time to give up our jobs lads, seems this is where you succeed in life while breezing through. At this point, the only reason i work is to keep my self esteem and prevent me from going mad doing nothing all day.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/man-on-euro840-welfare-a-week-309736.html

    Note: We can't make any generalizations or assumptions about the man in the article. :rolleyes:

    Question i want to ask is: Why do i think the government looks after the ones not contributing to society, and penalize (taxes, fines, etc) the working.

    He's not the only one the government is looking after though, is it?

    Yea, their dad seems like a dick but do you think the state should leave those kids to go hungry?


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    #33
    homerjay2005
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    catallus wrote: »
    It's only €40320 a year.

    Peanuts, really....

    thats €40320 of tax payers money that could be spent on assisting people who actually deserve and need it.


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    #34
    abff
    Registered Users Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭abff


    catallus wrote: »
    It's only €40320 a year.

    So there's only 48 weeks in a year?


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    #35
    Yamanoto
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    super_furry wrote: »
    Anyone want to try raise eight kids I'm Dublin on €43600 a year? I wouldn't!

    Try it without paying a mortgage, income tax, motor tax, VRT and earning a fair amount from extra-curricular activity & I'd say you might well manage it.


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    #36
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,322 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    thats €40320 of tax payers money that could be spent on assisting people who actually deserve and need it.

    Those eight children don't deserve or need it?


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    #37
    seamus
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    Yamanoto wrote: »
    Try it without paying a mortgage, income tax, motor tax, VRT and earning a fair amount from extra-curricular activity & I'd say you might well manage it.
    This. All he has to do with that €800 is week is feed and clothe the kids. And maybe pay for fuel.

    The guy probably has €100k stuffed in a mattress somewhere, his outgoings are so low.


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    #38
    Galway K9
    Registered Users Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Galway K9


    catallus wrote: »
    But he pays taxes on the stuff he buys presumably?

    The stuff he buys, you're so cute.....:o


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    #39
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,322 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Galway K9 wrote: »
    The stuff he buys, you're so cute.....:o

    So what he steals everything too now?

    Some people here won't be happy until work houses are brought back and the poor are steralized.


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    #40
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Galway K9 wrote: »
    The stuff he buys, you're so cute.....:o
    Condoms have 13.5% vat y'know


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    #41
    Specialun
    Registered Users Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭Specialun


    Why are some saying that its been divided by 10

    Nowhere does it state that these 8 kids are with the same woman or that they all live with him.....


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    #42
    jamesbere
    Registered Users Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    Christ i'd love to see what kind of "engineering" work he does


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    #43
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    The poor woman. she's been pregnant, just recovered or is about to get pregnant all her adult life.


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    #44
    anncoates
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    snubbleste wrote: »
    jobseeker 188 + 124.80 + 29.80x8 = €551.20pw child benefit x8 = €249.23pw
    That's only €800.43pw

    Where am I missing €40?

    If they are including child benefit in that total, then it's a little disingenuous as it's a universal benefit not based on income.

    I myself get 270 a month despite not being dependent on it to rear the kids.


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    #45
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Specialun wrote: »
    Why are some saying that its been divided by 10
    Nowhere does it state that these 8 kids are with the same woman or that they all live with him.....
    It says he is receiving the €840 per week. So he is head of the household of eight kids.


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    #46
    [Deleted User]
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    Just enough information in that article to outrage people yet not enough to actually explain why he is getting that much. People get that much all the time, in most cases its relative to what you were earning prior to going on the dole.


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    #47
    folan
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    he has no schooling!


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    #48
    snubbleste
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Just enough information in that article to outrage people yet not enough to actually explain why he is getting that much. People get that much all the time, in most cases its relative to what you were earning prior to going on the dole.
    Eh, it's not. You'll get €188pw regardless if you were earning millions or working minimum wage.


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    #49
    [Deleted User]
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    snubbleste wrote: »
    Eh, it's not. You'll get €188pw regardless if you were earning millions or working minimum wage.

    So if your on 120k for a decade with various dependancies and suddenly lose your job, your straight onto 188? I was under the impression that you get far more at first due to the amount of tax paid out, with the welfare sharply dropping as time goes on


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    #50
    snubbleste
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    So if your on 120k for a decade with various dependancies and suddenly lose your job, your straight onto 188? I was under the impression that you get far more at first due to the amount of tax paid out, with the welfare sharply dropping as time goes on
    That is some impression you are under.


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    #51
    kneemos
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So if your on 120k for a decade with various dependancies and suddenly lose your job, your straight onto 188? I was under the impression that you get far more at first due to the amount of tax paid out, with the welfare sharply dropping as time goes on

    The only difference is you're not means tested initially until your "stamps"run out.


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    #52
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    snubbleste wrote: »
    That is some impression you are under.

    I'm almost positive my uncle was in that exact scenario. He was the sole provider of a family of 4 with mortgages and car loans coming out the wazoo. I'll have to look into this rather than taking your snarky word for it :pac:


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    #53
    Smidge
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    Ah, nothing like the smell of Monday morning outrage......


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    #54
    mawk
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    deathtocaptcha wrote: »
    a father of 8... he's hardly living a lavish lifestyle... presumably getting €840/week to look after 10 people...

    having said that i wonder if this includes children's allowance or any other family allowances they may be getting...

    and as others have pointed out, this is where the welfare system is flawed, because even on an average industrial wage (which is incredibly high anyway), working full time, he wouldn't take home that much money...

    The average wage is incredibly high? Compared to what, earning below average?


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    #55
    Galway K9
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    super_furry wrote: »
    So what he steals everything too now?

    Some people here won't be happy until work houses are brought back and the poor are steralized.

    I never said steal, you came to that assumption,...i wonder why....Their are other benefits and charities that provide food vouchers, clothing, and heat etc.

    Of course not sterilized, esp not anyone that's poor, ive been in hard times before,....Just not 800 a week, thats the argument.


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    #56
    Dan_Solo
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    Galway K9 wrote: »
    Their are other benefits and charities that provide food vouchers, clothing, and heat etc.
    So to prove you're not advocating Victorian style workhouses you're proposing charities have responsibility for keeping the poor fed and housed... nope, nothing Victorian about that at all.


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    #57
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    There are many more like him. I always find it astonishing that many of these people with a similar name to that person are able to buy new cars and vans every year or two yet they have never worked s day in their life, never contributed one iota to society but have more money than anyone else.


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    #58
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So if your on 120k for a decade with various dependancies and suddenly lose your job, your straight onto 188? I was under the impression that you get far more at first due to the amount of tax paid out, with the welfare sharply dropping as time goes on
    It might work like that in other countries.
    Here? Nah. Straight to the bottom.


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    #59
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Only fair considering the extensive contributions Mr McDonagh has undoubtedly made to the state coffers over the years.

    Working couples struggle to pay mortgage/childcare/myriad of taxes etc and certainly cannot afford 8 kids.

    People who dont work and amasse multiple criminal convictions can multiply indefinitely and are endlessly subsidised by the working people above who can barely afford to multiply themselves.

    It's evolution, reversed.

    "Darwin's rolling over in his coffin and the fittest start surviving much less often"


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    #60
    BBJBIG
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 277 ✭✭BBJBIG


    But de man has a Job ....
    And yis lot should be very grateful ta him.

    His job is ta use his Mikkie ta produce de future generatshun
    of Oireland dat will help to pay de auld age pensions fur yis.

    De man and his mot should be given a medal.


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    #61
    Galway K9
    Registered Users Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Galway K9


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    So to prove you're not advocating Victorian style workhouses you're proposing charities have responsibility for keeping the poor fed and housed... nope, nothing Victorian about that at all.

    I do not understand at all. I was just saying they don't need to steal with charities being there. Charities do amazing things but they do get abused.


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