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Man gets €840 a week on welfare

  • 02-02-2015 10:36am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭


    Time to give up our jobs lads, seems this is where you succeed in life while breezing through. At this point, the only reason i work is to keep my self esteem and prevent me from going mad doing nothing all day.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/man-on-euro840-welfare-a-week-309736.html

    Note: We can't make any generalizations or assumptions about the man in the article. :rolleyes:

    Question i want to ask is: Why do i think the government looks after the ones not contributing to society, and penalize (taxes, fines, etc) the working.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    So he gets fined and still gets to keep his social???
    Wtf am I doing working.
    I should be out there pi55ed off me head and being a Cnut to women and then il get 840 a week. I knew I should've left school at 16 and done nothing!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,321 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    So he gets fined and still gets to keep his social???
    Wtf am I doing working.
    I should be out there pi55ed off me head and being a Cnut to women and then il get 840 a week. I knew I should've left school at 16 and done nothing!!

    You would have to have 8 kids though that is where the 840 comes from....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 877 ✭✭✭Magnate


    Interesting thread idea...


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I hate these Social Welfare threads normally but this is just outrageous.

    Why the fùck do I bother getting up to go to work everyday? I'm thinking it is just to pay for the likes of him.

    No do gooder could possibly defend this....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭Avada


    8 kids aged 35, he probably doesn't have time to work at that rate!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Galway K9 wrote: »
    Time to give up our jobs lads, seems this is where you succeed in life while breezing through. At this point, the only reason i work is to keep my self esteem and prevent me from going mad doing nothing all day.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/man-on-euro840-welfare-a-week-309736.html

    Note: We can't make any generalizations or assumptions about the man in the article. :rolleyes:
    Technically there's 10 people on that €840 a week. Not saying this guys spends it on what it's for, but there you go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,618 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Feed ten people for less.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,860 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Well for some, eh AH ?

    Fill your boots.


    Love this - 'McDonagh told Judge Reilly he was not working but he was “an engineer”.'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 450 ✭✭RomanKnows


    That's more than the average industrial wage. While a punter on the average industrial wage hands over almost 50‰ of it in taxes to help fund this. Then people who do genuinely fall on hard times and need the support of welfare get unfairly lumped in with tossers like this lad. Welcome to the modern welfare state.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭lazza14


    He has 8 kids - this is why he gets €840 pw, JOKE ...

    Lucky to afford a 2nd kid (in my situation) while these social parasites just keep having kids cos the govt. will fund them.

    When will Ireland/UK learn that child benefit should be capped after 2 kids ...


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    + childers allowance, back to school book allowance, medical card, rent supplement..

    You'd need to be earning over €120k to match that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    listermint wrote: »
    You would have to have 8 kids though that is where the 840 comes from....

    That's why I said being a Cnut to women


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭deathtocaptcha


    a father of 8... he's hardly living a lavish lifestyle... presumably getting €840/week to look after 10 people...

    having said that i wonder if this includes children's allowance or any other family allowances they may be getting...

    and as others have pointed out, this is where the welfare system is flawed, because even on an average industrial wage (which is incredibly high anyway), working full time, he wouldn't take home that much money...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Anyone want to try raise eight kids I'm Dublin on €43600 a year? I wouldn't!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    should be a welfare cap of no more than €25k introduced for people like this.

    and if the cost of their legal assistance was deducted from their payments after every conviction, im sure they wouldnt be long thinking about breaking the law again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    It's only €40320 a year.

    Peanuts, really....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    TheTorment wrote: »
    No do gooder could possibly defend this....

    Easy. 8 kids. I'm surprised he has anything left to get drunk on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭lazza14


    a father of 8... he's hardly living a lavish lifestyle... presumably getting €840/week to look after 10 people...

    having said that i wonder if this includes children's allowance or any other family allowances they may be getting...

    if he can't afford 8 kids , he shouldn't have them, people in other countries in europe don't have this many kids if they cant afford them - where I live no working class families have more then 2 kids .

    Anyone with 3,4 + kids are rich.

    of course, he doesn't need to concern himself with that as he'd take the dole as granted.

    And no, it probably doesn't include the rent allowance they get + school books allowance etc ...

    makes me sick .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭folan


    questions on the kids and child support:

    are all the kids by the same mother?
    is he married to the mother?

    otherwise, is he entitled to any child support? I was under the impression that the mother of the child is the sole recipient of child support unless the parents are married?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,032 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    The total cost of building 10 homes at Stocking Hill was €5,075,879.

    add 500k for his taxpayer funded house


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭lazza14


    catallus wrote: »
    It's only €40320 a year.

    Peanuts, really....


    After tax, so really like an industrial wage of €75 - €80 k ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Galway K9


    catallus wrote: »
    It's only €40320 a year.

    Peanuts, really....

    45K. Cash!!!!! Not 42% taxed. That's what people forget.


  • Site Banned Posts: 824 ✭✭✭Shiraz 4.99


    Advantages of screwing the welfare system:
    You can "afford" as many kids as you like
    You're allowed live where you grew up in a free house
    Zero commute time

    Disadvantages:
    Self esteem
    Having to watch Jeremy Kyle & Loose Women
    General inconvenience in having to sign on during pyjama time


    It's a tougher choice than you think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Galway K9 wrote: »
    Note: We can't make any generalizations or assumptions about the man in the article. :rolleyes:
    We can. The address given is a halting site. The man is a traveller.

    He's getting €1,080 per month for the children. He would be getting €551.20 jobseeker's. That's €800/week.

    So he's probably getting another €40 under some other scheme.

    €840/week is a lot of money when you don't have a home to maintain and you don't have to do anything but feed your kids.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Hardly a life of luxury rearing 8 kids on that. Not that you should have a family that size if you're long-term unemployed obviously.

    BTW too, if that figure includes child benefit, he's getting just over a grand a month for 8 kids if they're under 16. Every parent in the state is entitled to that, no mater how poor or wealthy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    Galway K9 wrote: »
    45K. Cash!!!!! Not 42% taxed. That's what people forget.

    But he pays taxes on the stuff he buys presumably?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    lazza14 wrote: »
    if he can't afford 8 kids , he shouldn't have them,

    Correct, but they exist and that's not their fault. If he won't provide for them, then we must, or else the cycle repeats itself forever.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    jobseeker 188 + 124.80 + 29.80x8 = €551.20pw child benefit x8 = €249.23pw
    That's only €800.43pw

    Where am I missing €40?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭lazza14


    Advantages of screwing the welfare system:
    You can "afford" as many kids as you like
    You're allowed live where you grew up in a free house
    Zero commute time

    Disadvantages:
    Self esteem
    Having to watch Jeremy Kyle & Loose Women
    General inconvenience in having to sign on during pyjama time


    It's a tougher choice than you think.

    But this is living the dream for these people .

    To them that's like watching Jeremy Clarkson and Robert Fisk discussing the finer politics of the western world - followed by an episode of Breaking Bad and top of with a BluRay screening of Interstellar.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Rezident


    I don't believe the government have the appetite to fix this. The only way to fix it would be if we all gave up our jobs and started claiming the free money scam instead - but they know we won't do this so they win and we lose.

    And get off the internet and get back to work, or you'll get a bad performance review and no hope of promotion. Cheer up, you can have a tea break in 5 minutes, losers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭floggg


    Galway K9 wrote: »
    Time to give up our jobs lads, seems this is where you succeed in life while breezing through. At this point, the only reason i work is to keep my self esteem and prevent me from going mad doing nothing all day.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/man-on-euro840-welfare-a-week-309736.html

    Note: We can't make any generalizations or assumptions about the man in the article. :rolleyes:

    Question i want to ask is: Why do i think the government looks after the ones not contributing to society, and penalize (taxes, fines, etc) the working.

    He's not the only one the government is looking after though, is it?

    Yea, their dad seems like a dick but do you think the state should leave those kids to go hungry?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    catallus wrote: »
    It's only €40320 a year.

    Peanuts, really....

    thats €40320 of tax payers money that could be spent on assisting people who actually deserve and need it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,823 ✭✭✭abff


    catallus wrote: »
    It's only €40320 a year.

    So there's only 48 weeks in a year?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Anyone want to try raise eight kids I'm Dublin on €43600 a year? I wouldn't!

    Try it without paying a mortgage, income tax, motor tax, VRT and earning a fair amount from extra-curricular activity & I'd say you might well manage it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    thats €40320 of tax payers money that could be spent on assisting people who actually deserve and need it.

    Those eight children don't deserve or need it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Yamanoto wrote: »
    Try it without paying a mortgage, income tax, motor tax, VRT and earning a fair amount from extra-curricular activity & I'd say you might well manage it.
    This. All he has to do with that €800 is week is feed and clothe the kids. And maybe pay for fuel.

    The guy probably has €100k stuffed in a mattress somewhere, his outgoings are so low.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Galway K9


    catallus wrote: »
    But he pays taxes on the stuff he buys presumably?

    The stuff he buys, you're so cute.....:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Galway K9 wrote: »
    The stuff he buys, you're so cute.....:o

    So what he steals everything too now?

    Some people here won't be happy until work houses are brought back and the poor are steralized.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Galway K9 wrote: »
    The stuff he buys, you're so cute.....:o
    Condoms have 13.5% vat y'know


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭Specialun


    Why are some saying that its been divided by 10

    Nowhere does it state that these 8 kids are with the same woman or that they all live with him.....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭jamesbere


    Christ i'd love to see what kind of "engineering" work he does


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    The poor woman. she's been pregnant, just recovered or is about to get pregnant all her adult life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    snubbleste wrote: »
    jobseeker 188 + 124.80 + 29.80x8 = €551.20pw child benefit x8 = €249.23pw
    That's only €800.43pw

    Where am I missing €40?

    If they are including child benefit in that total, then it's a little disingenuous as it's a universal benefit not based on income.

    I myself get 270 a month despite not being dependent on it to rear the kids.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Specialun wrote: »
    Why are some saying that its been divided by 10
    Nowhere does it state that these 8 kids are with the same woman or that they all live with him.....
    It says he is receiving the €840 per week. So he is head of the household of eight kids.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Just enough information in that article to outrage people yet not enough to actually explain why he is getting that much. People get that much all the time, in most cases its relative to what you were earning prior to going on the dole.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭folan


    he has no schooling!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Just enough information in that article to outrage people yet not enough to actually explain why he is getting that much. People get that much all the time, in most cases its relative to what you were earning prior to going on the dole.
    Eh, it's not. You'll get €188pw regardless if you were earning millions or working minimum wage.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Eh, it's not. You'll get €188pw regardless if you were earning millions or working minimum wage.

    So if your on 120k for a decade with various dependancies and suddenly lose your job, your straight onto 188? I was under the impression that you get far more at first due to the amount of tax paid out, with the welfare sharply dropping as time goes on


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    So if your on 120k for a decade with various dependancies and suddenly lose your job, your straight onto 188? I was under the impression that you get far more at first due to the amount of tax paid out, with the welfare sharply dropping as time goes on
    That is some impression you are under.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,618 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    So if your on 120k for a decade with various dependancies and suddenly lose your job, your straight onto 188? I was under the impression that you get far more at first due to the amount of tax paid out, with the welfare sharply dropping as time goes on

    The only difference is you're not means tested initially until your "stamps"run out.


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