Meningitis

TUBBY

Have bullock lost lot of weight last few days, now staggery and has eye sore.

not circling but orientation not great. Got vet. No temp and lungs fine. Like meningitis and treating him for it. Bit better already. Early stages i reckon.

another lad starting to show same symptoms. I treated him too.

anyway question i have is;
i feeding ok silage and bit of meal on top.
birds going ape in mornings on it and there some bird **** on the silage as a result.
would ye think this is the cause.

Reggie.

TUBBY wrote: »

Have bullock lost lot of weight last few days, now staggery and has eye sore.

not circling but orientation not great. Got vet. No temp and lungs fine. Like meningitis and treating him for it. Bit better already. Early stages i reckon.

another lad starting to show same symptoms. I treated him too.

anyway question i have is;
i feeding ok silage and bit of meal on top.
birds going ape in mornings on it and there some bird **** on the silage as a result.
would ye think this is the cause.

I hope not, as there does be bird droppings in the trough most mornings and I don't wipe it out

greysides

No need to blame birds for this one, there is no evidence that birds spread it. Silage, on the other hand........

TUBBY

greysides wrote: »

No need to blame birds for this one, there is no evidence that birds spread it. Silage, on the other hand........

ya can get fungal meningitis from bird droppings. Was just wondering has anyone here had experience of it. Was hoping it this rather than silage cause ya can do something about the birds....
i thought it was listeriosis cattle got from silage especially if there was soil in the bales. This defo not listeriosis.

even since the original post, he has improved hugely. Was going for me in pen at 8am. Quiet as a mouse again now and mowing into meal and silage. Shot into vein a great job.

dh1985

TUBBY wrote: »

ya can get fungal meningitis from bird droppings. Was just wondering has anyone here had experience of it. Was hoping it this rather than silage cause ya can do something about the birds....
i thought it was listeriosis cattle got from silage especially if there was soil in the bales. This defo not listeriosis.

even since the original post, he has improved hugely. Was going for me in pen at 8am. Quiet as a mouse again now and mowing into meal and silage. Shot into vein a great job.

I didn't think you would see an improvement that quickly with meningitis. Thought it was a very prolonged process

TUBBY

dh1985 wrote: »

I didn't think you would see an improvement that quickly with meningitis. Thought it was a very prolonged process

still long way to go though dh. He shook enough but great improvement in coordination.
hopefully all good from here

dh1985

TUBBY wrote: »

still long way to go though dh. He shook enough but great improvement in coordination.
hopefully all good from here

Hope he makes full recovery. It's a real dose

greysides

TUBBY wrote: »

ya can get fungal meningitis from bird droppings. Was just wondering has anyone here had experience of it. Was hoping it this rather than silage cause ya can do something about the birds....
i thought it was listeriosis cattle got from silage especially if there was soil in the bales. This defo not listeriosis.

Never heard of a fungal meningitis in this country. There are no readilly available drugs to treat a fungal meningitis. Your vet is likely to have given antibiotics. If there is an improvement from them then the cause isn't fungal.

While other bacteria can cause meningitis in cattle, particularly in calves, in more adult cattle the most likely cause with be Listeria monocytogenes, which causes Listerial Meningitis (usually just called Meningitis, or Listeriosis) and Infectious Uveitis (Silage Eye)...... you did mention he had sore eyes.

whelan2

had 2 with meningitis last year, one made a full recovery and the other one never improved. Had a weanling with it last week and ended up getting her shot as she couldnt eat properly

LostCovey

TUBBY wrote: »

ya can get fungal meningitis from bird droppings.

Maybe if "ya" live in a pigeon loft "ya" might.

Cattle don't.




LC

warfie35

cattle get bacterial meningitis from eating mouldy silage, infection goes in through nerves in their teeth & spreads to brain

MonFarmer15

Anyone on here have experience with Listeriosis in cattle at grass this year?

valtra2

MonFarmer15 wrote: »

Anyone on here have experience with Listeriosis in cattle at grass this year?

Yes lost a cow about a month ago to it. No silage in field and was out about a month or two at the time. Treated her but she died next day.

MonFarmer15

Had to put down a Bullock yesterday with it. Bought 18 about 7 weeks ago and straight out onto grass. First noticed something was wrong last Thursday evening when he had clumps of grass sticking out of his mouth, initially thought he may of had something stuck in his mouth. Ran him into the crush and pulled it out. He started to pull grass straight away and again it stuck in his mouth as he couldn't swallow. On antibiotics since Friday morning, vet pumped with water and electrolytes on Sunday, still unable to swallow. Pumped with water again on Monday, but he couldn't get up on Monday, more movement in his mouth on Tuesday and was swallowing a bit on his own. But yesterday he was stretched out and we put him down. My question is could he have contracted it before I bought him about 6 weeks ago? Could this of been a relapse? He was never circling or showing signs of paralysis, both ears were pert and normal, I don’t know how we could have noticed anything was up any sooner. Vet was at a conference about it last weekend and apparently very common this year with the wet spring and hot temperatures lately!

whelan2

I don't think they can get a relapse. The only chance of curing them is to get them early

Dickie10

hi all had a heiefer yesterday circling around presumed meneningitis vet out within half an hour and got drugs into vein, she was very staggery last night though and not getting up today, have loads of oxytertacycline and colvosone to give each day, trying to get up and drinking water

Dickie10

any prognosis?

tanko

Not good usually, is she blind?

morphy87

Dickie10 wrote: »

hi all had a heiefer yesterday circling around presumed meneningitis vet out within half an hour and got drugs into vein, she was very staggery last night though and not getting up today, have loads of oxytertacycline and colvosone to give each day, trying to get up and drinking water

Had a couple down through the years,I had a few that were circling around in rings and they made a full recovery after a few weeks,had another that was down when the vet came, she was down for 3 months, was eating and drinking but eventually made a full recovery

Good loser

Got something in 2 x 350 kg FR stores in last month.

Both had head held high and somewhat twisted.

First not blind and vet thought early stage meningitis. LA antibiotics fixed him.

Second had some blindness. Again L A Antibiotics + 2 vit B injections saw him right

Jb1989

If you believe In the cure, it can be got in dundalk.
Ive used it on a cow that couldn't swallow, along with veterinary medicine, all worked out good.

valtra2

Jb1989 wrote: »

If you believe In the cure, it can be got in dundalk.
Ive used it on a cow that couldn't swallow, along with veterinary medicine, all worked out good.

Really.... Is it the same for Santa.

Jb1989

valtra2 wrote: »

Really.... Is it the same for Santa.

That's up to you.

whelan2

If you get them early they are easier cured

Dickie10

i thought i got this one early she was staggering around and got drugs in vein within half hour but went down later on sundy still down now but will drink water. shes lively enough trying to get up up , im giving oxytetracycline twice a day and antibiotics pencillin. i had ccn on a heifer this time last year she died could it be linked?

dh1985

Dickie10 wrote: »

i thought i got this one early she was staggering around and got drugs in vein within half hour but went down later on sundy still down now but will drink water. shes lively enough trying to get up up , im giving oxytetracycline twice a day and antibiotics pencillin. i had ccn on a heifer this time last year she died could it be linked?

I had something similar a few years back. Got a first calver very early on Saturday morning circling. Vet called, diagnosed meningitis and he said she will get worse before she gets better. Went out Sunday morning she was stretched out and I thought she was dead. Long story short we kept her in water and grass and hay and she made a full recovery after a month or 5 weeks lying whilst continuing to rear a calf.
Keep her comfortable and dont stress her lifting her.and hopefully all will.work out

Dickie10

will her appetitie come back only water is all shes getting

rs8

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117260433#Comment_117260433

Sorry to dig up an old thread but does anyone here have/ know of someone that has the cure .. cheers

Jb1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118620675#Comment_118620675

Dundalk was where I got mine alright, I've no number though at all now. Should be easy enough to track down. What area are you in anyway?

rs8

I'm on the meath/westmeath boarder not to far away!! You hardly remember a name?

Jb1989

Honestly I don't, it was a cousin got it for me, and I'm not really talking to her anymore to ask her for info. You could try a priest or some old religious person in dundalk or your own area for info of one. Even someone with the cure of something else may point you in right direction. 'whelan' on here is from County Louth, you could pm her, and her or her father might know about the dundalk cure.

whelan2

Never heard of a cure for meningitis tbh.

dohc turbo2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118620675#Comment_118620675

Isn't the cure a vitamin shot when spotted ?

Jb1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118622186#Comment_118622186

Would that be the medical cure, rather than the other type cure? Either way it definitely won't to any harm giveing a vitamin shot.

Jb1989

Hope your getting somewhere rs8, time is of the essence with that problem.

whelan2

The main thing is to stop the swelling of the brain ASAP. We had one last September, I was driving by the field on a Sunday evening and saw 1 animal on it's own. Checked it out and it couldn't stand, vet was out in half an hour. Animal couldn't see either. Vet treated her. Came back over next morning and she was back in with her comrades. Was very lucky .

Base price

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118622497#Comment_118622497

You have to act quickly with meningitis/listerosis in cattle with double dose of antibiotics and anti inflammatory injections as per what our Vets have done in the past except for one.

greysides

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118622186#Comment_118622186

Wrong brain disease. You're thinking of Vitamin B1 for Cerebro-Cortical Necrosis (CCN).

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118623310#Comment_118623310

Symptoms would be similar though, vets usually give B1 in case it is that.

I got an outbreak of CCN in calves once that were grazing a new reseed, symptoms sound very similar, blindness and grass clogging their mouth, Vet told us to try putting them on an older pasture, that seemed to stop it, but lost a nice few calves at the time

greysides

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118623802#Comment_118623802

They can be and if you couldn't tell the difference a vitamin shot won't hurt. Usually you can differenciate.

DukeCaboom

The last time we had it here was in a weanling bull but it was in may and they were out. The vet told us give him 20 ml of Nuflor for 4 maybe 5 days.

rs8

Lost that year old weanling this evening unfortunately. We had vet out in the previous few days and remarked it could have went up a decayed tooth and into the brain. Opened up his mouth there this evening and notice a few teeth decayed in the back .. I'm curious as to how a year old weanling would have such bad teeth. If it was a 10 year old cow I'd except it. Anyone any ideas.

Hard Knocks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118643088#Comment_118643088

Would you be able to get her to a lab tomorrow

Jb1989

Sorry to hear rs8. You done as much as you could, and tried your best. Put it behind you as best you can.

rs8

Unfortunately not .. we all work here during the day!! Had crossed my mind tho hard knocks.

whelan2

Sometimes I'll say it to the knackery man to have a look for anything strange. They're looking at animals every day

Dozer1

Had a cow here this evening with it, vet said its in the silage, got her early I think she barely got up on the slats got her into a pen and vet came with the antibiotics as per @Base price said. she seems to have settled now

Dangerous when a big LM is doing circles half blind...

Base price

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118643584#Comment_118643584

Did your Vet leave more injections for you to give to her tomorrow.

Jb1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118643584#Comment_118643584

Listeriosis is the silage version, had it over Christmas with one animal on 2 occasions. Vet put the good stuff into him and I gave engemycin for few days after it.

Dozer1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118643720#Comment_118643720

yes 2 bottles left for me, she's stopped circling but is still lifeless enough, she's in a calving pen with lots of straw, vet said give her a week to recover.

she's 6 weeks incalf so I'd be curious of she'll hold after this

whelan2

Is her eyesight OK? Can she eat?